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46 minutes ago, diamondd817 said:

I had the "Flu" over Christmas this year. I wonder if I had it?

A friend wound up in the hospital in november for "flu like" symptoms.  Tested for flu, nope.  He did not need any breathing help.  He wound up being dehydrated which caused his BP to drop making him dizzy.  That was why he went in.  Said it took him 2-3 weeks to shake it.

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9 minutes ago, jm1827 said:

2 supervisors in my office had a strange "chest cold" issue, back in December, out for a couple weeks, low fever, difficulty breathing.

Remember, there are 7 known coronaviruses. The first 4 are the common cold. Many people who tested positive for Covid reported minor "cold like" symptoms. It effects people differently, probably based on the strength of their immune systems or antibodies in their systems.

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16 minutes ago, jm1827 said:

What could go wrong with that?

Just making room for ya know who... 

 

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/those-who-violate-nj-lockdown-orders-to-be-prosecuted-officials-say-the-time-for-warning-is-over.html

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29 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

Yup.....just heard the AG say NJ is the 1st state to release prisoners out of county jails......Nutz…..omo.

I don't suppose they are testing them for the virus before release?  No, that would make too much sense, and the state is already willing to overlook the small fact that their earlier test for criminal conduct came back 'positive'.

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10 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

...." “Consider this as your final warning,” Attorney General Gurbir Grewal said Monday at a coronavirus briefing in Trenton. “There will be serious legal consequences.”

“Stop,” he said bluntly. “Let me be clear that violating these orders is a criminal offense."

People who violate the orders could be charged from a disorderly person offense or second, third or fourth-degree crime, he said."

At what point do the peasants revolt to having their Liberties removed????

Like having your 2A rights taken away??

 

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if i wanted to go visit family, i would. there's nothing this jackass says that would stop me, and from a legal perspective i'd love for someone to challenge it in court. he can't cancel private events, can't mandate you can't have people over YOUR house and can't shut down the 2A. this is the most maddening thing of all of this, how willingly people comply with such things. if i were fortunate enough to own a business, there's no way i'd be shut down now. and if i owned a florist or a hair salon or something not on the king's approved list, i'd run to my local home depot, buy a bunch of hammers and boxes of nails and offer them for sale right away, so i'd be a "home improvement" store

 

 

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Just now, Indianajonze said:

if i wanted to go visit family, i would. there's nothing this jackass says that would stop me, and from a legal perspective i'd love for someone to challenge it in court. he can't cancel private events, can't mandate you can't have people over YOUR house and can't shut down the 2A. this is the most maddening thing of all of this, how willingly people comply with such things. if i were fortunate enough to own a business, there's no way i'd be shut down now. and if i owned a florist or a hair salon or something not on the king's approved list, i'd run to my local home depot, buy a bunch of hammers and boxes of nails and offer them for sale right away, so i'd be a "home improvement" store

 

 

Funny you should mention it.  The AG said if people have 20 of their closest friends over, we're going to break it up and potentially charge you with (he listed a handful of charges).   He also identified quite a number of business that they were planning enforcement actions against.

Can they legally do it?  Who knows.  Does it matter much?  No, not really.  They are going to enforce these things and good luck going bankrupt trying to sue over it long after they've shut you down.

 

 

 

 

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so the question then is, what's to stop them from doing this at any time during the year? or is it only during a viral outbreak that these extra-constitutional powers manifest themselves? does it need to be during a specific outbreak? what if it's a particularly nasty flu season? flu season is bad this year, so until further notice we're suspending 2A, forcing private companies to close and will arrest you if you have friends over your house

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15 minutes ago, Malsua said:

Can they legally do it?  Who knows.  Does it matter much?  No, not really.  They are going to enforce these things and good luck going bankrupt trying to sue over it long after they've shut you down.

Given that the average jury in NJ is going to be infested with unemployed socialist dimwits, I wouldn't like our odds. 

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2 minutes ago, Indianajonze said:

so the question then is, what's to stop them from doing this at any time during the year? or is it only during a viral outbreak that these extra-constitutional powers manifest themselves? does it need to be during a specific outbreak? what if it's a particularly nasty flu season? flu season is bad this year, so until further notice we're suspending 2A, forcing private companies to close and will arrest you if you have friends over your house

It’s an interesting thought experiment.. I think based on the science we should do some things. It goes back to personal responsibility. 
would I have a party with 20 people currently? No it seems a foolish enterprise to entertain.  Am I going to travel to ck on people, yes. Can I do it after 8 pm? Why not.

am I going to congregate with others at a bar or restaurant? No. That seems foolish as well.

 

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1 minute ago, Indianajonze said:

so the question then is, what's to stop them from doing this at any time during the year? or is it only during a viral outbreak that these extra-constitutional powers manifest themselves? does it need to be during a specific outbreak? what if it's a particularly nasty flu season? flu season is bad this year, so until further notice we're suspending 2A, forcing private companies to close and will arrest you if you have friends over your house

If they tried this without an exigent circumstance, such as a pandemic, emergency petitions would be filed at courts all over the place and stay the order until review.

The difference is "FLU" is baked into the cake.  We have facilities, treatments, expectations, etc.  It's all known and regular.  Even "tough" flu seasons. 

This ain't the flu.     New York hospitals will probably be sending patients out to those military ships and the "field hospitals" being set up within the next two weeks.   They will be FULL.   That's NOT normal.  None of this is normal.     

If the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin treatment starts denting this disease, we will probably start getting back to something like normal in a month.    Until then, Murphy gets to wield extraordinary powers and like it or not, it is what it is.  It's not a "firing squad" offense, now anyway.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

I expected no less. This state has been trying to get the illegals out of detention centers since Trump took office.. 

I read that Grewal authorized release of about 1000 held in county jails for "low level offenses".   County prosecutors can appeal to Grewal if they want to keep someone locked up.

The NJ AG has no authority to release anyone being lodged in a state or county  facility for the Federal government for any reason.  That would include ICE detainees.  Besides, the Federal government pays a daily rate for each prisoner.  The state or county makes money from this.

 

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19 minutes ago, Malsua said:

The difference is "FLU" is baked into the cake.  We have facilities, treatments, expectations, etc.  It's all known and regular.  Even "tough" flu seasons. 

This ain't the flu.     New York hospitals will probably be sending patients out to those military ships and the "field hospitals" being set up within the next two weeks.   They will be FULL.   That's NOT normal.  None of this is normal.     

Well, as a point of reference, NY has had 153,000 flu cases this year and 20,000 Covid cases as of now.

I think remember hearing that their hospital bed usage was in the upper 80% ranges (maybe from existing flu cases and other conditions?), before all this Covid stuff hit. So it wouldn't take many more to fill all of them.

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Just now, Sniper said:

Well, as a point of reference, NY has had 153,000 flu cases this year and 20,000 Covid cases as of now.

I think remember hearing that their hospital bed usage was in the upper 80% ranges (maybe from existing flu cases and other conditions?), before all this Covid stuff hit. So it wouldn't take many more to fill all of them.

The problem is the rate of infection is growing exponentially, mostly because of testing but also because it is showing how much spread of this there has been.  20,000 today is 40,000 in a few days, and 150,000 in weeks.   No, it doesn't scale to infinity but two Flu season at the same time is the problem.  Also, Flu generally doesn't use intubation/respirators and the serious cases(~5%) of this do.

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2 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

the real numbers are probably staggering.

I'm sure they definitely are. But the data, so far, shows that over 80% get a real mild case, if they get any symptoms at all. I expect with the ramp up of testing, the number of confirmed positives will explode. I just wish the media would sort them out, the serious ones instead of ALL cases, and stop the sensationalism.

5 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

For this virus to be natural, I'm starting to believe otherwise...….way to contagious, spread the world.

There are still many who think this came out of the Level 4 biolab in Wuhan. Unfortunately, some of them are dead now.

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42 minutes ago, Malsua said:

The problem is the rate of infection is growing exponentially, mostly because of testing but also because it is showing how much spread of this there has been.  20,000 today is 40,000 in a few days, and 150,000 in weeks.   No, it doesn't scale to infinity but two Flu season at the same time is the problem.  Also, Flu generally doesn't use intubation/respirators and the serious cases(~5%) of this do.

I disagree.  The rate of DETECTION is growing exponentially not the rate of infection.  Test 5 people 1 turns up with it.  Test 5000000, 1000000 turn up with it.  The rate hasn't changed at all.  Now anyone with the sniffles goes and gets tested.  (See drive thru running out of test kits in 3 hours)

And still is no where near seasonal flu in cases, and fatalities.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

38-54 MILLION cases in US,  23-59 THOUSAND deaths. 

Oh and these numbers are from only the last 6 months.

The sky is not falling.

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1 hour ago, xXxplosive said:

20K that they claim to know off...…..the real numbers are probably staggering. For this virus to be natural, I'm starting to believe otherwise...….way to contagious, spread the world.

If the Charlies let this get out of some lab through negligence, there consequences should be epic and crushing.

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1 hour ago, xXxplosive said:

20K that they claim to know off...…..the real numbers are probably staggering. For this virus to be natural, I'm starting to believe otherwise...….way to contagious, spread the world.

It's not unusually contagious for a natural virus.   Yes, it's more contagious than flu, MERS, and Ebola. But it's less contagious than mumps and rubella.  And it is MUCH less contagious than measles.

Some representative R0 values are here:  R0 Basic Reproduction Number

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12 minutes ago, PeteF said:

I disagree.  The rate of DETECTION is growing exponentially not the rate of infection.  Test 5 people 1 turns up with it.  Test 5000000, 1000000 turn up with it.  The rate hasn't changed at all.  Now anyone with the sniffles goes and gets tested.  (See drive thru running out of test kits in 3 hours)

And still is no where near seasonal flu in cases, and fatalities.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

38-54 MILLION cases in US,  23-59 THOUSAND deaths. 

Oh and these numbers are from only the last 6 months.

The sky is not falling.

Please keep in mind, the current flu strains have been circulating the globe unchecked for at least over a year now... and multiple strains of type A and B at that...

but I agree the sky isn't falling..

4 minutes ago, Handyman said:

If the Charlies let this get out of some lab through negligence, there consequences should be epic and crushing.

and what are we gonna do about it if true?

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2 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

but I agree the sky isn't falling..

Unfortunately, the sky doesn't really have to be falling if enough dimwits can get together and make it fall through their panic (fueled by media stooges). 

 

2 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

and what are we gonna do about it if true?

Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.

 
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37 minutes ago, 10X said:

It's not unusually contagious for a natural virus.   Yes, it's more contagious than flu, MERS, and Ebola. But it's less contagious than mumps and rubella.  And it is MUCH less contagious than measles.

That's true, but we need to go one step further, and instead of just talking contagious, we need to also include the severity of the virus. It needs to be qualified just how sick people get when they test positive. There are tons of people walking around TODAY, who actually are positive, and don't even know it.

On the Diamond Princess in Japan, HALF that tested positive, were asymptomatic. That is a HUGE data point.

32 minutes ago, Handyman said:

Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.

Wait... if we do that, where will we get all our cheap China crap from? Apple iPhone 11s just don't grow on trees, ya know..

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