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33 minutes ago, JackDaWack said:

DUDE... 

 

My wife has been out on disability and FMLA since...... the end of January.. 

It was a shit show back then...

 

The system completely collapsing was not even predictable.. it was a given.

I know, you should have seen the level of care the agent from UI had on my phone interview. I was trying to explain stuff to her regarding my claim and she was like "I don't care".

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33 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

I went 8 weeks without my kitchen and during that time, only 1 meal wasn't made on my property.  We got takeout once.  The ol' Weber really pulled through.  Oh, and it was during a blizzard.

Here was my Kitchen in mid August 2017.    Appliances showed up in December.   Cooked 90% with the Weber as well.

If you want to see the kitchen deconstructed, look here: https://youtu.be/eW4zFFRq9Fc

 

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1 minute ago, JackDaWack said:

If this is ur guys argument then nothing is truly "essential", other than food itself.

The point was you can make do.   We went about 5 months with no kitchen.   Of course, we did everything but the drywall, framing, roofing and foam insulation.   That's why it took so long.  Electric, plumbing, gas, cabinets, island, flooring, painting, trim, on and on.

If you have guys coming into your house, maybe you should forego that.  You have no idea what they are bringing with them. 

If they are framing and it's sealed off, I don't see the problem.   Maybe put a sheet of plastic between them and the rest of the house.

Finish work probably should wait.  Get the fridge, stove and sink in, worry about the rest later.  Put some butcher paper down on a piece of plywood for workspace.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Malsua said:

Emergency repairs only.    Period.    Construction related to expansion of testing/medical facilities directly related to the current pandemic.   Adding the Bob B Megadonor wing vanity project at a hospital should not be exempt, yet it is.

Affordable housing is not more essential than any other housing.

 

 

In my town they seem to be continuing forward on a new police station and firehouse complex.  Each day I bike by and see a bit more done. It will be interesting to watch if this continues.  Currently there is no structure, just ground work.  We will see. 

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Bringing this fully back to the original "prepping" topic for just a moment... I'm curious... assuming you all started this event with full cupboards, full freezer, etc. - what are you doing now? Are you...

  1. getting occasional restaurant deliveries to stretch the reserves (or just for a refreshing change of pace)?
  2. getting groceries delivered (if they have that in your area) to add to supplies?
  3. going out occasionally to grocery shop... again, to top off your food supplies?
  4. staying in entirely, and just living off what's in the house already?

Up to this point... I have been doing a bit of 1&3 (2 not being readily available in my area, at least from grocery stores), but doing those things infrequently. Like I've been out to a grocery store only 2x since all these edicts came down (in the last trip, I even moved away from "fresh produce" in favor of frozen), and I've gotten I think maybe 3 restaurant deliveries (much lower than my norm) and the last one was a full week ago.

I guess your response will depend on how "serious" you think this crisis is! Personally? Even if the death rate turns out to be equivalent to the flu (which may happen), I think this is worse than the flu, simply by merit of the respiratory effects being so brutal and long-term... it being so "novel"... and thus, the medical community is still struggling on how to even approach it. I saw one recent article (posted on another thread) where some doctors are now questioning the use of ventilators(!)… saying they might make it worse for some patients. Things like that have really caught my eye!

If I'm going to catch this, I'd prefer it to happen not only after this peak, but also after they know more about it, and maybe have fine-tuned some treatments (even if they're not "cures" per se). I still have deep concerns that otherwise healthy people have ended up dead from this - and they're not sure of the exact mechanics as to why that's happening. And then I see the growing number of food service workers getting infected coupled with the new rule to mask at the grocery store, and I think - eh! why even take the chance right now? I don't think that's fearful (I feel rock-steady btw emotionally). I just think it's sensible! Feel free to disagree/push back, etc.!

So, honestly... I'm tempted to just move to step #4 for the next 4 weeks - goin' full bunker mode, people! ;) - and then reassess at that time. I'll use primarily what's in my refrigerator and freezer (since those are the most perishable food items), reserving my stores of canned & dried goods for later.  I have a full freezer (not big, but it's enough for me); cash; a full tank; guns & ammo... I mean, why go out at all anymore? I know many are antsy to get out again... but honestly, I'm thinking I want to do the exact opposite!  I want to be a hermit until I see if there's a 2nd wave coming, etc. 

Thoughts? What's everyone else's approach right now?

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Second 3 and 4. 

It's irrational, but I'm not comfortable with takeout food right now. I figure I can shop for myself and be in "code orange" mode in the supermarket. Never know what some other food handler is doing. 

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11 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Bringing this fully back to the original "prepping" topic for just a moment... I'm curious... assuming you all started this event with full cupboards, full freezer, etc. - what are you doing now? Are you...

  1. getting occasional restaurant deliveries to stretch the reserves (or just for a refreshing change of pace)?
  2. getting groceries delivered (if they have that in your area) to add to supplies?
  3. going out occasionally to grocery shop... again, to top off your food supplies?
  4. staying in entirely, and just living off what's in the house already?

Up to this point... I have been doing a bit of 1&3 (2 not being readily available in my area, at least from grocery stores), but doing those things infrequently. Like I've been out to a grocery store only 2x since all these edicts came down (in the last trip, I even moved away from "fresh produce" in favor of frozen), and I've gotten I think maybe 3 restaurant deliveries (much lower than my norm) and the last one was a full week ago.

I guess your response will depend on how "serious" you think this crisis is! Personally? Even if the death rate turns out to be equivalent to the flu (which may happen), I think this is worse than the flu, simply by merit of the respiratory effects being so brutal and long-term... it being so "novel"... and thus, the medical community is still struggling on how to even approach it. I saw one recent article (posted on another thread) where some doctors are now questioning the use of ventilators(!)… saying they might make it worse for some patients. Things like that have really caught my eye!

If I'm going to catch this, I'd prefer it to happen not only after this peak, but also after they know more about it, and maybe have fine-tuned some treatments (even if they're not "cures" per se). I still have deep concerns that otherwise healthy people have ended up dead from this - and they're not sure of the exact mechanics as to why that's happening. And then I see the growing number of food service workers getting infected coupled with the new rule to mask at the grocery store, and I think - eh! why even take the chance right now? I don't think that's fearful (I feel rock-steady btw emotionally). I just think it's sensible! Feel free to disagree/push back, etc.!

So, honestly... I'm tempted to just move to step #4 for the next 4 weeks - goin' full bunker mode, people! ;) - and then reassess at that time. I'll use primarily what's in my refrigerator and freezer (since those are the most perishable food items), reserving my stores of canned & dried goods for later.  I have a full freezer (not big, but it's enough for me); cash; a full tank; guns & ammo... I mean, why go out at all anymore? I know many are antsy to get out again... but honestly, I'm thinking I want to do the exact opposite!  I want to be a hermit until I see if there's a 2nd wave coming, etc. 

Thoughts? What's everyone else's approach right now?

We're supporting our local restaurants by picking up at least once a week.  We usually would get take out once a week anyway.

 

I'm the designated errand runner.  I just got back from Costco and ShopRite in Flemington.  Bought toilet paper and some other things.  Costco has plenty of T.P. for now.  I have to get out later today for some Easter supplies as they were wiped out at ShopRite.  Both stores have put procedures in place and required masks.  Costco will be requiring gloves starting tomorrow morning.

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I'm also the designated shopper.  My wife hasn't left the house for more than short local walk in weeks...So, to answer Mrs. Peel's questions:

  1. getting occasional restaurant deliveries to stretch the reserves (or just for a refreshing change of pace)?
    1. We haven't bothered with delivery yet, but I been picking up take-out about once a week.  Partly for the change of pace, partly to support the local restaurants that we really want to have still in business when things return to normal
  2. getting groceries delivered (if they have that in your area) to add to supplies?
    1. We looked briefly into grocery delivery, but the backlog was huge.  We'd have been waiting a looooonnnngg time
  3. going out occasionally to grocery shop... again, to top off your food supplies?
    1. I usually go to the grocery store once a week, early in the morning.  Most weeks I'll make a second trip out to Walmart or Home Depot.  That's about it.   I kinda like the opportunity to get out, even though shopping has become much more difficult.
  4. staying in entirely, and just living off what's in the house already?
    1. I think we could get by fine for three weeks without resupply, but the natives would get restless as the favorite foods run out and we're left with everything else.   I know, first-world problems...
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For us, family of 5 with 3 teenagers, we go through a ton of food.

We found a few places around us that don't deliver but will do curbside pick-up and put the groceries in the trunk.  We do that for most of our staples like milk and eggs and produce.

We also order restaurant deliveries about once a week, more than we normally do.

I also order meats and seafood delivered on line, just got in 15# of Cajun sausages and shrimp.  I also go to our local seafood store occasionally when it is not crowded.  I probably haven't gone to the grocery store on over 3 weeks.

I bought a bunch of flour and yeast ahead of time so I am making fresh bread a couple days a week as well.

And most importantly, we have a few liquor stores that also do curbside delivery!

 

 

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We live in one of the so-called “restaurant destination towns” in NJ, so we had been doing a lot of take out (I generally hate take out and would much rather go to a restaurant in person), since we can’t go in, might as well try to help them stay afloat.  We’re spending as much money as ever, if not more, in restaurants around us.  

We tried shop rite from home but found that the pickup, let alone delivery times weren’t plentiful.  So one of us goes.  Fortunately from my woodworking and diy tinkering on cars, I had some N95 masks (which we keep in a Tupperware container and reuse), and 5 mil gloves.  Not enough to donate (I’m waiting for someone to try to shame me for wearing an N95 to the store).  
 

I have a system to limit use of gloves - glove my right hand, keep left bare.  Touch my stuff (phone, cc, etc) with left, public stuff (door handles, items in store, cc pin pad) with gloves hand.  Limit exposure, go at off times, don’t go in if it looks too busy, support the little guy in less used stores. 
 

We stocked up heavy at the start of this, so we’re generally OK.  Lots of smaller shops, as well as some of the diners are selling food at reasonable prices.  

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My wife and I have months of food on hand. 

We are burning through some, but I'm getting groceries once a week.  

I have been masking and gloving up for a month now.    I am very careful about what I touch and keep my distance from people.   If I need to use the phone, the glove comes off.   I take annual courses in blood borne pathogens and a number of other things, so I am quite aware of how to handle fomites.  Glove discipline is important.     Do the shaving cream on the glove test to see how well you do.   If you're hardcore, use anti-seize or bearing grease ;).

I don't think this thing is going to stop food supply, so I will continue to use what is out there, saving ours to give us freedom to NOT go out if it becomes too infectious.

I think we're over the hump on this thing though.  Deaths have gone up, but those people caught this 3-4 weeks ago.

 

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11 minutes ago, Malsua said:

I take annual courses in blood borne pathogens and a number of other things, so I am quite aware of how to handle fomites.  Glove discipline is important.     Do the shaving cream on the glove test to see how well you do.   If you're hardcore, use anti-seize or bearing grease ;).

This!

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Interesting... no one has gone to step 4 "full-on bunker mode" yet? Of course, it seems some of you replying have two or more people in the household. That's probably a big factor. I live alone... just me and my 7 pound dog. So, I can be low-demand in my food choices... without whiney toddlers (or, worse yet, ravenous teens) in the house! And the supply lasts a lot longer, too. LOL.

Yeah, I'm going to curtail restaurant deliveries for awhile... and stay out of grocery stores. I'm not a Howard Hughes-type but I am a nurse's daughter (almost as bad)... so I think food safety is only as strong as the weakest link and some people are just too bloody careless for my tastes. The only thing I'm kicking around is whether I'll move entirely to step 4... or whether I'll partake in 2 small exceptions:

1) There's several places around here where farmers literally place dozens of fresh eggs in coolers by the roadside and you stop by and put your $3 in a tin cup for a dozen. So, it's a relatively people-free exchange. Nice! I might do that.

2) I might also put in 1 Amazon order... just to get some shelf-stable milk, a couple more small jars of mayo, some more tuna, etc. It won't matter if it doesn't come in for several weeks... and I like the thought of a non-refrigerated order that I can just sit in my dining room for a few days so that any viral load on the packaging will devolve before I'm unpacking it. 

That's where I'm at! I figure I'll do this until the end of April, and then see where we're at. How much will the medical community have learned by then...? Maybe some more indications about the clinical trials will be available?... Let's hope so! Fingers crossed.   

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#1 and #2 are not an option up here in the woods. Hell we don't even have home delivery of mail in my town. Once a week we have been getting takeout (food and alcohol) to support the few local restaurants that are open.

#3 I have been going to the very small grocery store in my town Instead of driving 30 mins to the next town over for their 2 large supermarkets. Just to get a few things at a time. No gloves and no mask. 

#4 we have a large supply of food ready in the house that we have been going through at a slower rate than I had planned for so we have several months of food already in home if we decide to not go out at all. 

#5 slightly different than @xXxplosive. Foraging for food, I caught 2 landlocked salmon at sunrise this morning so its fresh fish tonight for dinner 

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20 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

#5 will be the Zombie Apocalypse …...we'll be fillin' the lawn sprinklers with gasoline and loadin' tracers.....omo.

Well do not discount that - and take this for what it is worth.

 

Dateline NYC April 8 2020 -

A female from our office ordered a piece of technology hardware and it was delivered to the office in lieu of home in Bayside

She was going to drive in and park in the garage at our building - midtown outside of Penn - happens to have a church and a soup kitchen - the block always has dreggs

Her husband insists on driving her - good thing - two guys verbally accost him demanding " that they just were released from rikers and need money "  - He was luckily able to move them along in some way (haven't been told how).

As she was coming down some guy was awalking around outside the lobby and mumbling - Bldg Engineer sys dont worry that is not "the one I had to beat off with the bat" yesterday and escorted her to the car.

Upon trying to leave the city it was described to me as the movie "warriorsish" with people just wnadering the streets in the street and driving through was like trying to  not hit poeple and or get swamped as they all tried to approach the car yelling at you.

She is shaken by it. - Do not discount Nat Guard on the streets of NY in areas if this goes on a LOT longer.

not my experience just relaying what I was told.

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20 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said:

Upon trying to leave the city it was described to me as the movie "warriorsish" with people just wnadering the streets in the street and driving through was like trying to  not hit poeple and or get swamped as they all tried to approach the car yelling at you.

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38 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Interesting... no one has gone to step 4 "full-on bunker mode" yet? Of course, it seems some of you replying have two or more people in the household. That's probably a big factor. I live alone... just me and my 7 pound dog. So, I can be low-demand in my food choices... without whiney toddlers (or, worse yet, ravenous teens) in the house! And the supply lasts a lot longer, too. LOL.

Yeah, I'm going to curtail restaurant deliveries for awhile... and stay out of grocery stores. I'm not a Howard Hughes-type but I am a nurse's daughter (almost as bad)... so I think food safety is only as strong as the weakest link and some people are just too bloody careless for my tastes. The only thing I'm kicking around is whether I'll move entirely to step 4... or whether I'll partake in 2 small exceptions:

1) There's several places around here where farmers literally place dozens of fresh eggs in coolers by the roadside and you stop by and put your $3 in a tin cup for a dozen. So, it's a relatively people-free exchange. Nice! I might do that.

2) I might also put in 1 Amazon order... just to get some shelf-stable milk, a couple more small jars of mayo, some more tuna, etc. (It won't matter if it doesn't come in for several weeks... and I like the thought of a non-refrigerated order that I can just sit in my dining room for a few days so that any viral load on the packaging will devolve before I'm unpacking it. 

That's where I'm at! I figure I'll do this until the end of April, and then see where we're at. How much will the medical community have learned by then...? Maybe some more indications about the clinical trials will be available?... Let's hope so! Fingers crossed.   

As I told my daughter and son in law in PA - do not let the emergency stores go too low - keep augmenting them when you can, if you can while staying safe.  Supermarket is busy today - dont go in - try later or go tomorrow etc.  Be smart - you prepped, you dont need to panic.

We have 25 weeks of food based on the supply sergeant - however I will be doing a fresh veggies run later today or tomorrow am.

If it is busy I wont go in - it is a not a mandatory/desperate thing - that is where you need to be when considering this.

As @Malsua said waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back and others - God forbid you get it - you want it either very early, or later - not during the peaks.  You do not want it at all - but for all we know we all may have had it already and not known about it.

 

That is why is suspect a full mandatory test of every single person will take place in short order to see the actual penetration in society- expect it.

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53 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Interesting... no one has gone to step 4 "full-on bunker mode" yet? Of course, it seems some of you replying have two or more people in the household. That's probably a big factor. I live alone... just me and my 7 pound dog. So, I can be low-demand in my food choices... without whiney toddlers (or, worse yet, ravenous teens) in the house! And the supply lasts a lot longer, too. LOL.

I've got a wife and 2 kids.  I don't go into full bunker mode (FBM) unless it's absolutely necessary as it would cause them to go into a panic.  I did that for Sandy and it caused a lot more stress for them than I could have anticipated.  FBM for me means fully locked down, firearms loaded and placed, no interaction with the outside world.  I'm the only one to go out, and that's under dire circumstances.

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Doing 3&4.

I have been wearing the mask at grocery store for a month or so, and shop once per week.  I really only go for produce, but I usually look around and pick up other stuff if I need. 

Produce scares me because anyone could be touching it.  But gotta have avocados, tomatoes, lettuce, celery, cukes,  etc. I'm rethinking that now, but it would be hard not to have that and it'll be months before I have muck from the garden.

No restaurants yet.

I continue to order stuff online from Amazon and Vitacost to replenish our long term supply.

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