JohnnyB 4,289 Posted March 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, EX Carnival man said: Here's what I'm doing. sdl;kj nsdlfv sd;lkfne kfn ;wkjkrj ig;lh,h r;rlgkg'g 'tl;kgmg poglkg,v 'tk;lgm t'ktmkg mgvG Vvm' t[gpomgt I feel very safe. Wow! I have not seen that old code in years! Be careful with 'tl;kgmg poglkg, even though technically legal, most street Cops will give you grief if they see them! Where did you find the Vvm' t[gpomgt? I have looked everywhere and they are out of stock! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 8:16 AM, oldguysrule649 said: The better (and legal) question is when and under what circumstances you would actively carry within your home and on your property, what steps are we taking to be at a higher state of readiness in the event of a potential home invasion, etc. In my case, after Hurricane Sandy, things were in a significant state of distress in my locale. Including Eg strangers from elsewhere roaming the area, isolated reports of looting, etc. That is an example of when I would be inclined to carry within my home.. Also double checked how many rounds are in my spare mags, etc. All my guns remain in their respective safes. However may pre-enter most of the combo each night for the handgun safe that that is under my bed to enable faster access under stress. Thoughts? Suggestions? I always have my sig on me within my home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/18/2020 at 8:16 AM, oldguysrule649 said: The better (and legal) question is when and under what circumstances you would actively carry within your home and on your property, what steps are we taking to be at a higher state of readiness in the event of a potential home invasion, etc. In my case, after Hurricane Sandy, things were in a significant state of distress in my locale. Including Eg strangers from elsewhere roaming the area, isolated reports of looting, etc. That is an example of when I would be inclined to carry within my home.. Also double checked how many rounds are in my spare mags, etc. All my guns remain in their respective safes. However may pre-enter most of the combo each night for the handgun safe that that is under my bed to enable faster access under stress. Thoughts? Suggestions? I carry at home every day...you don't? You should.... safes? Hmmmmmm little kids sure...but your at a disadvantage.... There is a loaded 5inch 1911 condition 3 under my.pillow a loaded mossberg 590a1 next to my bed and a loaded g19 with 147gr pills on my wife side and a g26 in my daughters room...all have spare mags...we are on the second floor....along with a flashlight and a set of earphones.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, USRifle30Cal said: There is a loaded 5inch 1911 condition 3 under my.pillow a loaded mossberg 590a1 next to my bed and a loaded g19 with 148gr pills on my wife side and a g26 in my daughters room...all have spare mags...we are on the second floor....along with a flashlight and a set of earphones.... What....no attack dog??? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, Sniper said: What....no attack dog??? Pepper...wild ass crazy boxer.... she is 6 and a firebrand hates most everyone and everything except her pack....she does a good job 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said: You should.... safes? Hmmmmmm little kids sure...but your at a disadvantage.... I wonder how many people here have actually ran through a practice drill where they had to get something out of their safe to defend themselves quickly? I doubt many... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sniper said: I wonder how many people here have actually ran through a practice drill where they had to get something out of their safe to defend themselves quickly? I doubt many... I am not a leo...never been in the two way range...dont wanna be... and i am NOT going to fight fair... Also most don't realize frog brain on adrenal dump, and what it does to them, there.is no way they are entering a code at o dark 30 when the crash happens..... Also.. My stairs from the front door have two gates across them....one at the bottom and one at the top both latching from when my babies were babies..never removed them...they are now well positioned obstacles for an attacker...slow him down enough to catch buckshot in the chest 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted March 20, 2020 So if the county or township is 2A sanctuary, does that mean one can CCW without fear of prosecution? 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted March 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, leahcim said: So if the county or township is 2A sanctuary, does that mean one can CCW without fear of prosecution? 2a sanctuary means nothing like that. all laws are still enforceable laws Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted March 20, 2020 Was a rhetorical question. 2A sanctuary really doesn't mean anything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted March 20, 2020 I really don't understand the point, I thought the 2A sanctuary people in VA were saying they would not enforce unconstitutional laws. Perhaps I have a different understanding of the word sanctuary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, leahcim said: I really don't understand the point, I thought the 2A sanctuary people in VA were saying they would not enforce unconstitutional laws. Perhaps I have a different understanding of the word sanctuary Some certainly said that in VA. When NY passed the SAFE act, a LOT of the upstate sheriffs said the same. I believe some number would stand by their statements and not enforce the unconstitutional laws; the concern is that it has never really been tested, when loss of government jobs and pensions were on the line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted March 20, 2020 Understood, not good odds for a test case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted March 20, 2020 12 hours ago, leahcim said: So if the county or township is 2A sanctuary, does that mean one can CCW without fear of prosecution? Yeah.... Constitutional carry in just one small New Jersey municipality would be really really really cool. The sanctuary movement here appears to be more about sending a message to Trenton, that are probably already aware of and just continue to ignore. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 20, 2020 I was having a conversation last night, regarding the natives getting restless when their paychecks stop. We've been talking here about lethal rounds for self defense. Has anyone considered using non-lethal rounds instead? If the situation truly arises that you need to defend from a tweaker getting in, do you want to deal with that bloody mess, and all the police and legal crap that comes with it? What about some non-lethal rounds from a 12 ga, like bean bag rounds or rubber bullets? Certainly would get the point across to the invaders, but might not bring all that other legal crap. Just spitballin here... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dino71 7 Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 1:10 PM, deerpark said: Not sure how hunting works. I believe it has to be the correct season, that you need a permit or license? Would this stop anyone from hunting if you need food? What about concealed carry? Obviously, that would make you a giant criminal in NJ despite it being lawful in most other states. Will you do it anyway if you need to be out of your home knowing that things can get ugly very quickly out in public? I think this guy is drinking his 30 year old Tang that he found in his basement bomb shelter. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, dino71 said: I think this guy is drinking his 30 year old Tang that he found in his basement bomb shelter. But it still tastes good. ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted March 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Sniper said: I was having a conversation last night, regarding the natives getting restless when their paychecks stop. We've been talking here about lethal rounds for self defense. Has anyone considered using non-lethal rounds instead? If the situation truly arises that you need to defend from a tweaker getting in, do you want to deal with that bloody mess, and all the police and legal crap that comes with it? What about some non-lethal rounds from a 12 ga, like bean bag rounds or rubber bullets? Certainly would get the point across to the invaders, but might not bring all that other legal crap. Just spitballin here... You come in my house uninvited and you’re going out on a stretcher at best. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: You come in my house uninvited and you’re going out on a stretcher at best. Looks like ServPro will possibly be busier in the next month or so... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted March 20, 2020 19 hours ago, USRifle30Cal said: I carry at home every day...you don't? You should.... safes? Hmmmmmm little kids sure...but your at a disadvantage.... There is a loaded 5inch 1911 condition 3 under my.pillow a loaded mossberg 590a1 next to my bed and a loaded g19 with 147gr pills on my wife side and a g26 in my daughters room...all have spare mags...we are on the second floor....along with a flashlight and a set of earphones.... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
almiz111 26 Posted March 21, 2020 Referring way way back to the beginning of this. Each person has to evaluate laws for himself. Decide which ones apply, that you care about, that you might get caught breaking, etc. So bottom line. I broke the law. I break the law. I will break more laws. Be careful out there. Kind regards. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 10:19 PM, USRifle30Cal said: There is a loaded 5inch 1911 condition 3 under my.pillow a loaded mossberg 590a1 next to my bed and a loaded g19 with 147gr pills on my wife side and a g26 in my daughters room...all have spare mags...we are on the second floor....along with a flashlight and a set of earphones.... For God's sake.....Don't do anything to piss off your wife or daughter! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted March 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Sniper said: I was having a conversation last night, regarding the natives getting restless when their paychecks stop. We've been talking here about lethal rounds for self defense. Has anyone considered using non-lethal rounds instead? If the situation truly arises that you need to defend from a tweaker getting in, do you want to deal with that bloody mess, and all the police and legal crap that comes with it? What about some non-lethal rounds from a 12 ga, like bean bag rounds or rubber bullets? Certainly would get the point across to the invaders, but might not bring all that other legal crap. Just spitballin here... When I purchased my 12 gauge shotgun 6 years ago(btw, my first firearm purchase In decades), I naively thought non-lethal rounds would be a good idea and purchased several varieties. However, after further educating myself, my goto shotgun defensive round became #4 buckshot. If confronted with an armed intruder, and fearing for my life, once I make the decision to shoot, I want it to be as effective as possible. Why give the intruder a second chance to inflict unspeakable horrors upon you and your loved ones. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimB1 554 Posted March 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Sniper said: I was having a conversation last night, regarding the natives getting restless when their paychecks stop. We've been talking here about lethal rounds for self defense. Has anyone considered using non-lethal rounds instead? If the situation truly arises that you need to defend from a tweaker getting in, do you want to deal with that bloody mess, and all the police and legal crap that comes with it? What about some non-lethal rounds from a 12 ga, like bean bag rounds or rubber bullets? Certainly would get the point across to the invaders, but might not bring all that other legal crap. Just spitballin here... I thought about that too but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldguysrule649 said: When I purchased my 12 gauge shotgun 6 years ago(btw, my first firearm purchase In decades), I naively thought non-lethal rounds would be a good idea and purchased several varieties. However, after further educating myself, my goto shotgun defensive round became #4 buckshot. If confronted with an armed intruder, and fearing for my life, once I make the decision to shoot, I want it to be as effective as possible. Why give the intruder a second chance to inflict unspeakable horrors upon you and your loved ones. Yeah, I get that.. but just spitballin, maybe the first shell is rubber pellets, and if that doesn't change their mind, the second one will be buckshot. Maybe sending them away with some nice welts, will make them think twice next time, while saving you all the legal B.S. Does anyone here actually know of someone who pulled the trigger on a intruder? We all speculate, but what happens to you in reality, after the cops show up? What type of legal headaches follow? I know my wife would really be pissed if I splattered intruder blood on the carpet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted March 21, 2020 Kill the prick or just hurt him..........This is the PRNJ, You gonna meet Buuba either way so I say "kill the prick"! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 21, 2020 Just now, JohnnyB said: You gonna meet Buuba either way so I say "kill the prick"! Well, you got a great point there!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted March 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sniper said: Yeah, I get that.. but just spitballin, maybe the first shell is rubber pellets, and if that doesn't change their mind, the second one will be buckshot. Maybe sending them away with some nice welts, will make them think twice next time, while saving you all the legal B.S. I am certainly no expert on defensive use of a shotgun, but you may never get the chance to fire that second shot. I think I recall reading that a bad guy can close a 21 foot distance in under 3 seconds. Or maybe he just shoots you in the head before you have stopped the threat. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, oldguysrule649 said: I am certainly no expert on defensive use of a shotgun, but you may never get the chance to fire that second shot. That's certainly possible, but like I said, I don't know anyone who ever was in that situation, so it's all a mind experiment now. I guess it would depend on the distance to the target. 13 minutes ago, oldguysrule649 said: I think I recall reading that a bad guy can close a 21 foot distance in under 3 seconds. Which is why a shotgun or rifle isn't my first choice, but a handgun is. In the case of that distance getting closed up, getting a round or two off, even in direct contact, a handgun would give a better fighting chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites