Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 30, 2020 FARS is open. I just applied for some purchase permits (big surprise) and everything is functional. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted March 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: NJ NICS home page still showing that they’re not accepting new requests: https://www.njportal.com/NJSP/NicsVerification Murphy mentioned the ban will be lifted as of 8am tomorrow so I would hope that would means NICS also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, Pizza Bob said: FARS is open. I just applied for some purchase permits (big surprise) and everything is functional. Adios, Pizza Bob I cannot be 100% sure but my understanding was FARS was never down. My FID application has continued through the process it was just with the indefinite shutdown all the 90 day permits could have expired prior to the ban being lifted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, CF1782 said: I cannot be 100% sure but my understanding was FARS was never down. My FID application has continued through the process it was just with the indefinite shutdown all the 90 day permits could have expired prior to the ban being lifted. You are probably correct. Just my addled senior brain conflating FARS & NICS. Too many damn acronyms, or as I like to say: TMDA. SNAFU Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted March 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Pizza Bob said: You are probably correct. Just my addled senior brain conflating FARS & NICS. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fslater 62 Posted March 31, 2020 The law suit should go forward. Ranges have barriers between lanes, so murphy can't say its to stop the spread of the virus. It would be the most isolation compliant business open. Also this proves every thing he does is ideologically motivated. It holds an entity, that allows exercising a constitutional right that he himself De Facto concedes to being essential, to higher standards than a liquor store (that it seems he thought was essential from the very beginning, who's product potentially promotes ciaos and violence) , appointment only, sanitize the store after every customer leaves. This goes to prove its nothing more than attack on 2A. As I said, the law suit should go forward to reverse the above two instances. Everything he's said about the issue since his EO will make an excellent argument in court as to his underling reasons. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted March 31, 2020 54 minutes ago, fslater said: The law suit should go forward. Drive a stake in the heart of these Tyrants, never stop until all of their unconstitutional BS is Gone! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted March 31, 2020 3/31/20: NICS in New Jersey is Now OPEN! 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, JT Custom Guns said: 3/31/20: NICS in New Jersey is Now OPEN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted March 31, 2020 The LA County Sheriff has given up too and opened the gun shops in the county. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Princetonian58 53 Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, fslater said: The law suit should go forward. Ranges have barriers between lanes, so murphy can't say its to stop the spread of the virus. It would be the most isolation compliant business open. Also this proves every thing he does is ideologically motivated. It holds an entity, that allows exercising a constitutional right that he himself De Facto concedes to being essential, to higher standards than a liquor store (that it seems he thought was essential from the very beginning, who's product potentially promotes ciaos and violence) , appointment only, sanitize the store after every customer leaves. This goes to prove its nothing more than attack on 2A. As I said, the law suit should go forward to reverse the above two instances. Everything he's said about the issue since his EO will make an excellent argument in court as to his underling reasons. You're right. ANJRPC and NJ2AS should use Murphy's public statements against him just like the liberal groups did against Trump when they challenged his EOs on illegal immigrants. His comments belie the ostensible public purpose rationalizations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charbs1985 11 Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 2:39 PM, PeteF said: I'm not sure if Governor Jackass's orders have any authority on a Federal Base. But, it's closed https://www.facebook.com/JBMDLR14/ The range staff are federal employees so have likely been furloughed until the rest of the federal government reopens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjjpdc 39 Posted March 31, 2020 at this time CJRPC and Range 14 rod and gun are closed as per their website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Hunter 28 Posted March 31, 2020 Watching the President and staff right now present their modeling charts of potential deaths, with New York and New Jersey #1 and #2 with projected fatality numbers; I doubt they’ll be opening any ranges in New Jersey until May. Dry-fire in your basement may be your best bet for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted April 1, 2020 ranges will be open soon enough if they keep pressing but I'm against opening Indoor ranges. Most if not all have special high pressure HVAC systems for the range to remove lead fumes. Some of the indoor ranges I've gone to the airflow has been strong enough where you're still inhaling the blowback, if there are shooters there unknowingly carrying the virus the risk of pollenating others is pretty high. I'm not opposed to outdoor clubs being open, after all they're not public businesses. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted April 1, 2020 47 minutes ago, Rufio.Weaponworks said: ranges will be open soon enough if they keep pressing but I'm against opening Indoor ranges. Most if not all have special high pressure HVAC systems for the range to remove lead fumes. Some of the indoor ranges I've gone to the airflow has been strong enough where you're still inhaling the blowback, if there are shooters there unknowingly carrying the virus the risk of pollenating others is pretty high. I'm not opposed to outdoor clubs being open, after all they're not public businesses. If you are sucking fumes, the exhaust is designed wrong. It is supposed to be blown from behind you downrange where it is filtered and exhausted. How is a place that is filtering and venting air worse than say going to the super market where there is ZERO airflow? I often go to my range and am the only one in there. Not touching face (unless you like the taste of lead). Hand washing at end of session yep. Sounds like the safest place on earth, 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 1, 2020 Gov Murphy was under extreme pressure FROM BOTH SIDES to open FFLs and gun shops. Pro 2A people on one side claiming the Constitution isn't up for suspension. Anti 2A people on the other stating that they don't want 2A cases going to court. So, we won the battle but still losing the war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted April 1, 2020 55 minutes ago, PeteF said: If you are sucking fumes, the exhaust is designed wrong. It is supposed to be blown from behind you downrange where it is filtered and exhausted. How is a place that is filtering and venting air worse than say going to the super market where there is ZERO airflow? I often go to my range and am the only one in there. Not touching face (unless you like the taste of lead). Hand washing at end of session yep. Sounds like the safest place on earth, Thank you, I was gonna say.. If people are able to inhale the virus, then that means they have been inhaling all the airborne lead those systems are designed to collect. 57 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: Gov Murphy was under extreme pressure FROM BOTH SIDES to open FFLs and gun shops. Pro 2A people on one side claiming the Constitution isn't up for suspension. Anti 2A people on the other stating that they don't want 2A cases going to court. So, we won the battle but still losing the war. Which is why these suits need to keep pushing forward. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Hunter 28 Posted April 1, 2020 You can HEPA filter all you want. COVID-19 is droplet transmission spread. Unless you social distance humans, I don’t see how indoor ranges that get packed on weekends are going to open. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, PeteF said: If you are sucking fumes, the exhaust is designed wrong. It is supposed to be blown from behind you downrange where it is filtered and exhausted. How is a place that is filtering and venting air worse than say going to the super market where there is ZERO airflow? I often go to my range and am the only one in there. Not touching face (unless you like the taste of lead). Hand washing at end of session yep. Sounds like the safest place on earth, Well a few of the indoor places I’ve been in have been that way, idk what to tell you lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Old_Hunter said: You can HEPA filter all you want. COVID-19 is droplet transmission spread. Unless you social distance humans, I don’t see how indoor ranges that get packed on weekends are going to open. So you social distance the humans. All kinds of businesses are doing that--Home Depot was one of the most recent to start limiting how many people can be in the building at one time. Wouldn't be hard for a range to do the same. Limit of one person per port. Or every other port. Commercial ranges could require appointments be made in advance if they are worried about being overrun on the weekends. As noted previously, private ranges are normally pretty empty to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted April 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, 10X said: So you social distance the humans. All kinds of businesses are doing that--Home Depot was one of the most recent to start limiting how many people can be in the building at one time. Wouldn't be hard for a range to do the same. Limit of one person per port. Or every other port. Commercial ranges could require appointments be made in advance if they are worried about being overrun on the weekends. As noted previously, private ranges are normally pretty empty to begin with. You could literally create appointments, alternate every other stall if you had to. Shift stall use after each shooter for cleaning and seemless transision. This ain't rocket science. Just shutting down everything "just because" is stupid... plenty of business can get their work done through social distancing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufio.Weaponworks 57 Posted April 1, 2020 wouldn't be a bad idea for all indoor ranges to let people reserve spots online in advance. Besides being being obnoxiously loud with a rifle and wasting ammo at 25 yards one of the reasons I don't go to indoor ranges much is wait times on the weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 1, 2020 I'm not against opening indoor ranges, but I'm not going to go to one if it's crowded. Regardless of Corona or not. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ray Ray said: I'm not against opening indoor ranges, but I'm not going to go to one if it's crowded. Regardless of Corona or not. Common sense, amazing how people need the government to tell them what to do. Almost like we aren't adults and need to be treated like 8 year olds. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, PeteF said: Common sense, amazing how people need the government to tell them what to do. Almost like we aren't adults and need to be treated like 8 year olds. NJ is a Nanny state and Nanny says "no guns for you, only trained law enforcement." I've seen some of them "Qualify" many are terrible, not all. Those that were in the jungles, the sandbox or the rock pile against formidable foes are the guys I would rather have in my foxhole. I would argue, any Combat Vet is better trained than 95% of LEO's. Foxtrot Uniform Gov Bucky Beaver! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjjpdc 39 Posted April 1, 2020 Well our new 3rd Circuit of Appeals Judge appointed by President Trump, Judge Bibas, had a great line in his dissent in the NJ Rifle Assn. about magazine size. The logic of it just boggles the mind. Now this case only had a 3 Judge panel and of course 2 Obama Judges voted against him. If the size of a magazine can make a difference in the hands of a mass shooter, Bibas notes, it also can make a difference in the hands of a law-abiding person using a gun in self-defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted April 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Rufio.Weaponworks said: ranges will be open soon enough if they keep pressing but I'm against opening Indoor ranges. Most if not all have special high pressure HVAC systems for the range to remove lead fumes. Some of the indoor ranges I've gone to the airflow has been strong enough where you're still inhaling the blowback, if there are shooters there unknowingly carrying the virus the risk of pollenating others is pretty high. I'm not opposed to outdoor clubs being open, after all they're not public businesses. IF your indoor range is pulling downrange ari to the firing line, they are doing it wrong. You either blow from behind the firing line or suck from down range, or preferably both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 918 Posted April 1, 2020 This is why the lawsuits need to continue unabated. http://<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fcnjfo%2Fposts%2F1528377574008974&width=500" width="500" height="516" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowTransparency="true" allow="encrypted-media"></iframe> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 918 Posted April 1, 2020 Link above not working but the gist if it is that Identago is not processing fingerprints for FPID''s so no new potential owners can get one. I'm sure Blackwire Media will post the story later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites