deerpark 83 Posted March 25, 2020 Murphy literally skirts the question. Ive never heard this guy speak before. This is literally the first time Ive ever seen him. He looks completely lost. Deer in the headlights. Unable to answer or justify a simple question/position. He immediately turns to Grewal to speak for him... And what does Grewal do? He blatantly lies: "every other Executive order... NONE of those". These are just the ones that I know of, I would imagine that there are more, especially in the Red states. Governors from Illinois and Connecticut have acknowledged that the Second Amendment is not only "essential", its the law of the land which people like him have sworn to uphold... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/21/illinois-governor-lists-gun-stores-as-essential-exempts-them-from-forced-shutdown/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/connecticut-governor-lists-gun-stores-as-essential-exempts-from-shut-down/ Wolf also had to tuck tail: https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/03/25/coronavirus-news-wolf-allows-gun-shops-to-reopen.html Grewal's justification or "defense" is literally "Tommy gets to do it!". At which point the parent would reply, "just because Tommy is doing it, doesnt make it right (legal, lawful or moral)". Poor Tommy isnt even doing it... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted March 25, 2020 who cares what he had to say. what's the status of the lawsuits? prelim injunction? anything? it's the only language these ppl speak unfortunately Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Indianajonze said: who cares what he had to say. what's the status of the lawsuits? prelim injunction? anything? it's the only language these ppl speak unfortunately Fair point but I think its important to acknowledge the pattern. With regards to NJ's Red Coat confiscation bill, the presiding judge said that its blatantly unconstitutional. When they were crafting the unlawful order, they did so knowing that it violated the constitution (discovered during the hearings). Here Grewal is again blatantly lying... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted March 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, deerpark said: Murphy literally skirts the question. Ive never heard this guy speak before. This is literally the first time Ive ever seen him. He looks completely lost. Deer in the headlights. Unable to answer or justify a simple question/position. He immediately turns to Grewal to speak for him... And what does Grewal do? He blatantly lies. Governors from Illinois and Connecticut have acknowledged that the Second Amendment is not only "essential", its the law of the land which people like him have sworn to uphold... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/21/illinois-governor-lists-gun-stores-as-essential-exempts-them-from-forced-shutdown/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/connecticut-governor-lists-gun-stores-as-essential-exempts-from-shut-down/ Wolf also had to tuck tail: https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2020/03/25/coronavirus-news-wolf-allows-gun-shops-to-reopen.html Grewal's justification or "defense" is literally "Tommy gets to do it!". At which the point the parent would reply, "just because Tommy is doing it, doesnt make it legal, lawful or moral". Poor Tommy isnt even doing it... Who would have thought Gov. Ned Lamont of Connecticut would even consider saying something like that. I saw him on a video in which he stated that, in times like these, the 2nd Amendment is more than ever. Huh? When Murphy said "you got time on your hands, obviously", my blood was boiling. I felt like saying "someone has to keep a eye on what you're doing to this state". 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted March 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, deerpark said: Fair point but I think its important to acknowledge the pattern. With regards to NJ's Red Coat confiscation bill, the presiding judge said that its blatantly unconstitutional. When they were crafting the unlawful order, they did so knowing that it violated the constitution (discovered during the hearings). Here Grewal is again blatantly lying... the pattern has always been clear. they want to abolish 2A in new jersey. no beating around that. so we have to sue early and sue often and sue for not only costs but damages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kc17 622 Posted March 25, 2020 I've decided. If I get tax money back from the feds through this stimulus package; 50% of it is going to 2A orgs. NJ2AS and CNJFO will be the top two. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carl_g 568 Posted March 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, deerpark said: Fair point but I think its important to acknowledge the pattern. With regards to NJ's Red Coat confiscation bill, the presiding judge said that its blatantly unconstitutional. When they were crafting the unlawful order, they did so knowing that it violated the constitution (discovered during the hearings). Here Grewal is again blatantly lying... Master, I agree! NJ2AS continues to openly challenge the system and stand up for NJ 2A rights. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,873 Posted March 25, 2020 Remember Wolf in PA also re-classified gun stores as essential, even though he 'won' the suit when the PA Supreme Court declined to rule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted March 25, 2020 Crossed arms, totally defensive measure. He wants to close the discussion. Stutters and passes the question to the AG because he doesn't know what to say. AG fumbles a bit in how response. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, GRIZ said: Crossed arms, totally defensive measure. He wants to close the discussion. Stutters and passes the question to the AG because he doesn't know what to say. AG fumbles a bit in how response. ^^^THIS^^^ AND HE SMILES LIKE A JERK-OFF! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted March 25, 2020 complete tools, it sickens me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,731 Posted March 25, 2020 We need to fire him, and the AG next election cycle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted March 25, 2020 Lets consider this overzealous elitist and his newest proposal in light of the State's encroachment on the Bill of Rights... Lets take a poll and see how many being released are Democrats, just for shits and giggles. Personal Safety be damned. https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/01/nj-reforms-new-social-justice-laws-as-murphy-takes-action-on-martin-luther-king-day.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kc17 622 Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, kc17 said: I've decided. If I get tax money back from the feds through this stimulus package; 50% of it is going to 2A orgs. NJ2AS and CNJFO will be the top two. Changed my mind. Just donated to both. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted March 28, 2020 More Statist abuse: Surrounded and then silenced. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted March 28, 2020 First remove the 2nd amendment and then remove the 1st. Not surprising in the least. Looks like another lawsuit. ACLU may take this one up as they should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted March 29, 2020 And the response has come from on high: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/28/ttrump-admin-names-gun-makers-retailers-essential-businesses-nationwide/ Keep Making America Great Again, Mr. President!!!!!!!! 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted March 29, 2020 The actual doc: https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/CISA_Guidance_on_the_Essential_Critical_Infrastructure_Workforce_Version_2.0_Updated.pdf On page 6, under "Law Enforcement, Public Safety, and Other First Responders" CISA_Guidance_on_the_Essential_Critical_Infrastructure_Workforce_Version_2.0_Updated.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted March 29, 2020 “Guidance”. I’m sure Murphy will file that right next to all the complaints he never got. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shepherd9 215 Posted March 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, voyager9 said: “Guidance”. I’m sure Murphy will file that right next to all the complaints he never got. I'm sure Murphy doesn't care about this "advisory" document, however, the court's may weigh this heavily in the NJ2AS / ANJRPC lawsuits and could help an injunction. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,321 Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Shepherd9 said: I'm sure Murphy doesn't care about this "advisory" document, however, the court's may weigh this heavily in the NJ2AS / ANJRPC lawsuits and could help an injunction. I agree but they need to act FAST! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indianajonze 379 Posted March 29, 2020 4 hours ago, voyager9 said: “Guidance”. I’m sure Murphy will file that right next to all the complaints he never got. Fortunately, it's a bit more than that. The "guidance" is to just clarify what is included. Critical infrastructure designation is federal law codified in 42 us code 5195. After being included in the guidance, NJ gun stores and ranges will be open by Monday (not sure about timing but Mon or Tues at the latest) per federal law. Phil Murphy has no say in the matter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted March 29, 2020 7 hours ago, njJoniGuy said: And the response has come from on high: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/28/ttrump-admin-names-gun-makers-retailers-essential-businesses-nationwide/ Keep Making America Great Again, Mr. President!!!!!!!! Grewal's other statement (in the video above) that they are also following DHS guidelines, is no longer valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted March 29, 2020 What do you guys make of the Democratic Governors who are changing their stances or acknowledged from the beginning that firearms are essential? Is it because their constituents are being affected as first time gun buyers? Something isnt right. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fslater 62 Posted March 29, 2020 12 hours ago, brucin said: First remove the 2nd amendment and then remove the 1st. Not surprising in the least. Looks like another lawsuit. ACLU may take this one up as they should. One would think, but if you look at the ACLU's track record, they appear more shut mouthed on anything that involves right wing interests, or things they would vigorously defend if it were left. While not denouncing them, they typically don't pick up the banner if it involves 2A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fslater 62 Posted March 29, 2020 It sounds good, buy don't 10 hours ago, voyager9 said: “Guidance”. I’m sure Murphy will file that right next to all the complaints he never got. Right, it sounds good but don't get too happy yet. For those of you that don't know what the above people are talking about in regard to advisory...…. "WASHINGTON (AP) — A gun rights group is cheering the Trump administration's designation of the firearms industry, including retailers, as part of the nation's critical infrastructure during the coronavirus emergency. The designation by the federal Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency is advisory. The agency notes that the designation does not override determinations by individual jurisdictions of what they consider critical infrastructure sectors." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Hunter 28 Posted March 29, 2020 5 hours ago, deerpark said: Grewal's other statement (in the video above) that they are also following DHS guidelines, is no longer valid. DHS guidelines say: Under the section on “law enforcement, public safety and other first responders,” the list includes, “workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors and shooting ranges.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 242 Posted March 29, 2020 I don't think Murphy was lost nor dumbfounded. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing and truly believes he will get away with it. I am totally unsurprised that did not answer the question directly nor accurately. And it was a totally unnecessary dig about a person having a lot of time on their hands. How is that different from, say, half of the state's population right now? They totally know what they are doing and believe they will continue to get away with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted March 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, Old_Hunter said: DHS guidelines say: Under the section on “law enforcement, public safety and other first responders,” the list includes, “workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors and shooting ranges.” 5 hours ago, deerpark said: Grewal's other statement (in the video above) that they are also following DHS guidelines, is no longer valid. Put the puppet on the record at the next press conference. "You've previously stated you are following DHS guidelines. The DHS has recently designated firearms & ammunition production and sales as safety related essential industries. Will you still be following DHS guidelines after that designation?" Or something to that effect that is worded so he and the authoritarian dictator cannot weasel out of giving a straight answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted March 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, father-of-three said: I don't think Murphy was lost nor dumbfounded. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing and truly believes he will get away with it. I am totally unsurprised that did not answer the question directly nor accurately. And it was a totally unnecessary dig about a person having a lot of time on their hands. How is that different from, say, half of the state's population right now? They totally know what they are doing and believe they will continue to get away with it. Watch the above. He knows exactly what he is doing. He doesn't hate firearms, he just feels they should only be in the hands of police. Vote him out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites