Ringwoodfrank 24 Posted April 16, 2020 Our First Amendment right to peaceably assemble has been revoked by the Governor by executive order. When asked multiple times by Tucker Carlson under what authority could he eliminate that First Amendment right, Murphy says ‘that’s above my pay grade, I wasn’t thinking about the bill if rights when I issued this order’. Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,842 Posted April 16, 2020 I just watched that interview. I was uncomfortable. Sooner or later the 'consent of the governed' has to enter into all this. The problem is, if 'the governed' believe they're deliberately being kept in the dark, they're a lot less likely "to consent". We're now paying the price for having a completely corrupted and one sided Democrat media. See "Michigan". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted April 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ringwoodfrank said: Our First Amendment right to peaceably assemble has been revoked by the Governor by executive order. When asked multiple times by Tucker Carlson under what authority could he eliminate that First Amendment right, Murphy says ‘that’s above my pay grade, I wasn’t thinking about the bill if rights when I issued this order’. Really? There's a thread in the 1A forum where I actively went into this. But the tl;dr version is your Constitutional rights are not unlimited and can be restricted under extreme circumstances, which a highly transmissible disease falls under. The Supreme Court has upheld restrictions time and again on the First Amendment and others. So it's backed by case law. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Greenday said: There's a thread in the 1A forum where I actively went into this. But the tl;dr version is your Constitutional rights are not unlimited and can be restricted under extreme circumstances, which a highly transmissible disease falls under. The Supreme Court has upheld restrictions time and again on the First Amendment and others. So it's backed by case law. Nobody even reads what you say. You are literally that guy 9 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringwoodfrank 24 Posted April 16, 2020 Odd how only certain States have rescinded our inalienable rights while others haven’t, and the outcomes to date in terms of lives lost are eerily similar. But at least liquor stores are essential businesses?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, Ringwoodfrank said: ...But at least liquor stores are essential businesses?! And don't forget the state-regulated (and still Federally unlawful) marijuana dispensaries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Greenday said: your Constitutional rights are not unlimited and can be restricted under extreme circumstances No, no they can't. Sadly though, they are. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,552 Posted April 16, 2020 And here it comes. https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-j-murphy-pitches-borrowing-010933304.html 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted April 16, 2020 How about the Gopher and Tammy kick in with a couple of hundred million of their own money to get the state back on its feet?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHZR2 56 Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Ringwoodfrank said: Odd how only certain States have rescinded our inalienable rights while others haven’t, and the outcomes to date in terms of lives lost are eerily similar. But at least liquor stores are essential businesses?! How many other states have similar infection and death numbers to NJ? How many states have the same population density in such a consistent manner? Statistics can be massaged to tell many stories... I’m pissed daily when held up to get what I need when shopping, or restricted from my family unit using parks that I pay taxes for. But I also recognize that we have pretty high population, density, and infection cases. While I’d prefer personal responsibility, some folks are just idiots. id have much preferred a stronger emphasis on best practices and responsibility. But it’s reasonable to understand that pickup sports games and other gatherings do increase the chance of transmission. It’s also reasonable to me that if I went to my place at the shore, where the closest hospital is 10 miles or so, versus near my home, where there are more hospitals than I can count within 10 miles, the strain on services could be much more dire in some places if everyone, including some at-risk carriers needed to use that infrastructure. Much of this is common sense, problem is the fact that they have to try to legislate it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted April 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Ray Ray said: No, no they can't. Sadly though, they are. They legally can and are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted April 16, 2020 7 hours ago, njJoniGuy said: How about the Gopher and Tammy kick in with a couple of hundred million of their own money to get the state back on its feet?? China should kick in a couple trillion since they caused it. I'm waiting for trump to calculate the total cost and subtract it from the national debt owed to China, although I doubt the amount owed to them would cover the economic damage this has caused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted April 16, 2020 8 hours ago, silverado427 said: And here it comes. https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-j-murphy-pitches-borrowing-010933304.html More debt, on top of billions of underfunded pensions. I can't wait to get out of this state! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted April 16, 2020 8 hours ago, silverado427 said: And here it comes. https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-j-murphy-pitches-borrowing-010933304.html Would YOU buy that bond? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringwoodfrank 24 Posted April 16, 2020 Facts are funny things. Hospitals going back to reclassify causes of death to COVID, stunning announcements of more cases (which you’ll get when you test more people), large percentages of people dying with COVID, not from it (if you can trust what’s coming out in the news) Countries not shitting down but having the same rates of infection and mortality, and an idiot Goldman Sachs Governor chuckling about his abuse of power. If you’re OK with being under house arrest for this relatively non- lethal disease, get ready for it to occur every flu season, every time some idiot nurse comes back from treating Ebola patients in Africa or any other exotic case of the sniffles. Then take comfort that Zombie Pelosi hijacks legislation and rams vote by mail down your throat, because clearly Democrats cannot win on the issues. They’re still pissed that more REAL people voted in 2016 than the ballot stuffers could print out. Rant over. Need another cup of coffee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WP22 1,558 Posted April 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: Would YOU buy that bond? Actually, yes, I would. Why? Quote The borrowing would be repaid with sales taxes, with a guarantee that the levy -- currently 6.625% -- would increase if needed. Just like the gas tax, sales tax would increase to pay them off. Anyone that can leave NJ, get out now. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringwoodfrank 24 Posted April 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, jm1827 said: More debt, on top of billions of underfunded pensions. I can't wait to get out of this state! Great. Open the door to China buying up NJ debt. Same concerns on the other side of the pond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, WP22 said: Actually, yes, I would. Why? Just like the gas tax, sales tax would increase to pay them off. Anyone that can leave NJ, get out now. Out of investment, yes, but out of principle, I don’t know if I could get the bad taste out of my mouth...kinda like Zeke’s meatloaf 16 months to go... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted April 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Greenday said: your Constitutional rights are not unlimited and can be restricted under extreme circumstances I guess people's chief concerns are: 1. Which rights are so delimited? I'm sure you would state "all of them" (except, curiously, abortion). 2. Who decides what is "extreme?" Seems like a term many people would define differently, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted April 16, 2020 Be careful @Handyman or as your profile title says, you'll hurt Greenie's feelings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: Be careful @Handyman or as your profile title says, you'll hurt Greenie's feelings! Alas, sometimes pain is how we grow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted April 16, 2020 Your giving him credit for the potential of growth is much more than I would give one of our resident avowed socialists! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Greenday said: They legally can and are. Wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted April 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Handyman said: Alas, sometimes pain is how we grow Never mind...that wasn’t nice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: Your giving him credit for the potential of growth is much more than I would give one of our resident avowed socialists! Alas, sometimes pain is just a miserable, nagging annoyance. Like a thrombosed hemorrhoid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drjjpdc 39 Posted April 16, 2020 What's really going to hit the panic button in his office is Memorial day!! There are percentages of New Jerseyans that go to Church (or other house); there are percentages of us that like the outdoors, go shopping, etc. But I would bet the highest percentages are the ones that go down the shore. In addition to Americans driving from other states. That will be the breaking point, like Prohibition was. And let's not forget that day is a solemn day in most families across the USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,552 Posted April 17, 2020 FPM https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/n-j-murphy-says-wants-183411213.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, silverado427 said: FPM https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/n-j-murphy-says-wants-183411213.html “... Should income not hit marks, he would raise property and sales taxes. The draft leaves blank the dollar amount. ...” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted April 24, 2020 Bucky is ‘open’ to paying illegals $600/week..... https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jersey-pay-illegal-immigrants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites