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https://www.courthousenews.com/retired-cops-sue-over-new-jersey-gun-restrictions/

It's always aggravating that retired LEO are treated as a special privileged class, but it is still a good thing that they are suing the state to void the NJ carry permit restrictions that apply to them -- they argue that they are authorized under LEOSA and don't need state permission.  The more pressure on the state the better.

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1 hour ago, PDM said:

https://www.courthousenews.com/retired-cops-sue-over-new-jersey-gun-restrictions/

It's always aggravating that retired LEO are treated as a special privileged class, but it is still a good thing that they are suing the state to void the NJ carry permit restrictions that apply to them -- they argue that they are authorized under LEOSA and don't need state permission.  The more pressure on the state the better.

It's not going to do anything for the average NJ Joe. It will only further confirm how privileged an special they really are. 

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12 minutes ago, diamondd817 said:

It's not going to do anything for the average NJ Joe. It will only further confirm how privileged an special they really are. 

 

1 hour ago, PDM said:

The more pressure on the state the better.

Answered in the original post

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5 hours ago, PDM said:

https://www.courthousenews.com/retired-cops-sue-over-new-jersey-gun-restrictions/

It's always aggravating that retired LEO are treated as a special privileged class, but it is still a good thing that they are suing the state to void the NJ carry permit restrictions that apply to them -- they argue that they are authorized under LEOSA and don't need state permission.  The more pressure on the state the better.

lol, NJ always carves out exceptions for cops. 

They will rewrite the law, just for them.

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Yes, screw them.  When my rights aren't taken away by a tyrannical encroaching police state, then there shouldn't be an duality between the average Joe and the retired troopers.  

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2 hours ago, JackDaWack said:

lol, NJ always carves out exceptions for cops. 

They will rewrite the law, just for them.

Basically buying them off and telling them to get in line with the progressive gun control plan or we will take them from you too.  It's a bribe and extortion at the same time.

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7 minutes ago, PK90 said:

They earn that "priviledge" by putting their lives on the line for 20+ years. 

The right to bear arms is a right, not a privilege.  It's not something that can be "earned".  Can you show me in the Constitution or BoR where it says carrying arms is a privilege to be earned?

I have a great amount of respect for cops, but this is this, and that is that. 

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On 5/12/2020 at 10:10 PM, PK90 said:

They earn that "priviledge" by putting their lives on the line for 20+ years. 

You should be ashamed of yourself.   Clearly conditioned thinking that escaped NJ...   Their and their family's safety is no more important than mine and my family's, and more importantly, they don't have special privileges over others, especially with a guaranteed right that is being obstructed by an overzealous and tyrannically motivated State (and in which heaven forbid they didn't abuse some of the power granted to them, as well).  Neither current cops on duty nor current off-duty cops nor retired law enforcement should have (or support the dualistic) privilege over the people they work/worked for.   They shouldn't get special privileges, especially to defend Statist Politicians, and especially if those Politicians, with the corrupt and fake media as cover, are going to disenfranchise the people of their natural right to self defense.    They didn't earn shit, and they chose that profession.  They got paid for it and earned an ambitious pension at the burden of the tax payers, their employers, for their service while those they work for and are suppose to protect largely don't have that safety net.  And I presume many will move out of state and spend their money elsewhere and enjoy freedoms that this corrupt and egregious bankrupt state won't allow.   Rethink your stance.  

 

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Do I think that retired LEOs should have privileges above us, no, not really, but in all reality they have put away baddies and certainly run the risk of running into those they put away after they have been releasd from jail. I personally know several LEOs both active and retired that this has happened to. For this reason I feel they should be allowed to carry.

Of course as for the rest of us I strongly believe that we also have the right to carry, but  we live in a tyrannical state and barring a miracle that will never likely be 

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8 hours ago, PK90 said:

They earn that "priviledge" by putting their lives on the line for 20+ years. 

So I  should still have my M-60 (and the gunship) too right? I put my life on the line and earned it, too!

The big difference is they were very well compensated and have nice Phat pensions from that job too! I don't.

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8 hours ago, NJ_Sig said:

Do I think that retired LEOs should have privileges above us, no, not really, but in all reality they have put away baddies and certainly run the risk of running into those they put away after they have been releasd from jail. I personally know several LEOs both active and retired that this has happened to. For this reason I feel they should be allowed to carry.

Of course as for the rest of us I strongly believe that we also have the right to carry, but  we live in a tyrannical state and barring a miracle that will never likely be 

The people at large run the risk of running into those "baddies" law enforcement put way after they have been released from jail as well.  I personally know several citizens not affiliated with law enforcement that this is happened to.  Perhaps conscientious civilians should voluntarily and morally defend these cops and retired cops even though those with a badge have no legal duty to protect the citizens (but often do).  

Freedom and the right to carry... It will never happen with this kind of conditioning and duality, and with those that continue to give up their freedoms on the pretense of safety and security and a warped view of equality at the behest of the elite.  

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7 minutes ago, Underdog said:

The people at large run the risk of running into those "baddies" law enforcement put way after they have been released from jail.  I personally know several citizens not affiliated with law enforcement that this is happened to. 

And unlike the "Special" people they had no possible chance of have a firearm or THEIR protection, and neither should the retirees....It's all or none.

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10 hours ago, PK90 said:

They earn that "priviledge" by putting their lives on the line for 20+ years. 

I put my life on the line as a firefighter. What do I get?

I guess I can carry around a fire extinguisher as a consolation prize.

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Retirees, aka civilians just like the rest of us, with the same rights, privileges and duties.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Handyman said:

I put my life on the line as a firefighter. What do I get?

I guess I can carry around a fire extinguisher as a consolation prize.

Is that a fire extinguisher or.....

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Handyman, there are a lot of Leftist Fires that need to be put out.  You are called back into service!  Thank you for your service.  

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13 hours ago, Underdog said:

The people at large run the risk of running into those "baddies" law enforcement put way after they have been released from jail as well.  I personally know several citizens not affiliated with law enforcement that this is happened to.  Perhaps conscientious civilians should voluntarily and morally defend these cops and retired cops even though those with a badge have no legal duty to protect the citizens (but often do).  

Freedom and the right to carry... It will never happen with this kind of conditioning and duality, and with those that continue to give up their freedoms on the pretense of safety and security and a warped view of equality at the behest of the elite.  

I totally agree. With our current government in this state there will always be duality. I hope that people wake up and open their eyes for election time in this state and get Murphy the heck out of office

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3 minutes ago, NJ_Sig said:

I totally agree. With our current government in this state there will always be duality. I hope that people wake up and open their eyes for election time in this state and get Murphy the heck out of office

Siggy,

The truth of the matter is we are a slim minority as the brainwashing by the media and the politicians, the majority of NJ Residents truly believe no one should own a gun, Until they need one and recently found out how difficult it is to get one in this socialist state.  Every shooting in the papers by gangs drug dealers and thugs are never reported that THESE are the problem, not you and I.

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4 minutes ago, Downtownv said:

Siggy,

The truth of the matter is we are a slim minority as the brainwashing by the media and the politicians, the majority of NJ Residents truly believe no one should own a gun, Until they need one and recently found out how difficult it is to get one in this socialist state.  Every shooting in the papers by gangs drug dealers and thugs are never reported that THESE are the problem, not you and I.

Very true and an excellent point. Did you happen to catch 60 minutes Sunday night? Had a segment on ghost guns. The segment was loaded with misinformation. My take on it is that they basically presented x-change caliber conversion kits etc as also being a ghost gun, even though it didn’t have an FCU. Essentially all parts and kits should be serialized and registered, not just the FCU, or those containing an FCU. The media is unbelievably biased and full of misinformation to push their liberal anti gun agenda

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On 5/12/2020 at 10:10 PM, PK90 said:

They earn that "priviledge" by putting their lives on the line for 20+ years. 

You lost me at the word, "priviledge".  We are all citizens with equal rights, not priviledges.

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9 minutes ago, Ray Ray said:

You lost me at the word, "priviledge".  We are all citizens with equal rights, not priviledges.

Ray Ray, I'm with you 100% !

Privilege?

GTFO they are NOW citizens just like the rest of us! You get the same sh!tty Laws, Just like the rest of us!

Not all Cops are good Cops: not all Vets are good Vets.

 

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