deerpark 83 Posted May 22, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 8:36 PM, jm1827 said: I need to ask a potentially stupid question. Since when can the executive branch of government pass laws? Isn't the ability to draft and approve laws reserved to the legislative branch of government? "These people" ie government essentially give themselves authority, which is pretty laughable. Theres a law making branch of government but even they cannot pass laws which violate the Constitution. And then there are the courts which over the decades have rubber stamped these illegal, unlawful, unconstitutional power grabs. Some people will defend the courts but we know that they are political bodies. Its no coincidence that the Ninth Circus almost without exception has a Left leaning agenda ie "interpretation". And theres no shortage of blatantly unconstitutional decisions by the "Supreme" court. When government along with the courts no longer abide by the Constitution, they are acting unlawfully and from that point have lost their legitimacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 32 minutes ago, Downtownv said: That camera is on private property and the landlord has every right to order it off his lot. Parking lots are considered public domain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JC_68Westy 1,024 Posted May 22, 2020 9 hours ago, ChrisS said: I’m interested to see if the gym is in on the “sabotage”. They took PPP money, created a GFM, publicized everything they were doing, and once they opened and didn’t get the response they were looking for, something new popped up. His known ties to a white supremacist group doesn’t make me want to root for him. Glad he put his decal on his megaphone for everyone to see. There are also details out there that the fatal accident he caused was a result of him blowing multiple stop signs and after the accident he stashed drug paraphernalia. It must be nice to have a rich daddy when you fuck up like that. I just saw and read a rebuttal from the guy stating that the megaphone was not his and was handed to him. He states that he is in no way a white nationalist and has a muti-racial family. Smear campaigns are used all the time to discredit people that are opposing the government. This seems to be just the kind of attack. I get that the guy drove drunk and killed someone in 2007 and served time in prison for it. You state that he has "known ties to a white supremacist group". Do you know that this is in fact true? If not, then this is a pretty reckless statement to make on the forum. I don't know the man or enough about him to judge him. It could be true, or not. It is irresponsible to post a statement like that without proof. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted May 22, 2020 It MUST be true it was on the interweb! ⬆︎⬆︎⬆︎ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisS 31 Posted May 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, JC_68Westy said: I just saw and read a rebuttal from the guy stating that the megaphone was not his and was handed to him. He states that he is in no way a white nationalist and has a muti-racial family. Smear campaigns are used all the time to discredit people that are opposing the government. This seems to be just the kind of attack. I get that the guy drove drunk and killed someone in 2007 and served time in prison for it. You state that he has "known ties to a white supremacist group". Do you know that this is in fact true? If not, then this is a pretty reckless statement to make on the forum. I don't know the man or enough about him to judge him. It could be true, or not. It is irresponsible to post a statement like that without proof. I just editing my wording and it was poorly written on my part and I don’t wish to go down the rabbit hole of non-corroborated statements. summary: is the government overreaching? Absolutely! is this guy the shining pillar that I would hitch my wagon to? Never. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Zeke said: Parking lots are considered public domain. um.....no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 Just now, W2MC said: um.....no. Um yes 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, deerpark said: I realize that youre asking a rhetorical question but I still wanted to chime in, lol. "These people" ie government essentially give themselves authority, which is pretty laughable. Theres a law making branch of government but even they cannot pass laws which violate the Constitution. And then there are the courts which over the decades have rubber stamped these illegal, unlawful, unconstitutional power grabs. Some people will defend the courts but we know that they are political bodies. Its no coincidence that the Ninth Circus almost without exception has a Left leaning agenda ie "interpretation". And theres no shortage of blatantly unconstitutional decisions by the "Supreme" court. When government along with the courts no longer abide by the Constitution, they are acting unlawfully and from that point have lost any legitimate authority that they may have had. You left out that in NJ we also have adminstrative code, which carries the weight of law, and is written by unelected officials. No checks and balances, and no accountability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greenday 323 Posted May 22, 2020 11 hours ago, njJoniGuy said: The Glenn Beck (The Blaze) interview I watched earlier, Ian was on and said that the plumbing company he called in to clear to blockage the other night found that an entire industrial size roll of paper towel had been flushed down a toilet. Now with it being members and staff only in the place, and Ian having said that a lot of local leos were members, it raised the question in my mind about the PD turning one of their officers who was a gym member and having him sabotage the place so they could bring in the health dept and shut it down. Talk about official misconduct! So what your saying is you have absolutely no proof a cop did it, but It's official misconduct. Okay then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted May 22, 2020 I think we are going off the rails. The subject was about a little guy/business standing up for himself. His history is a whole different subject, should this be of such importance, make a new and separate thread about his character. But if you base your stand on a principle instead of a man's past, you will likely never take a stand anywhere. 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted May 22, 2020 37 minutes ago, Greenday said: So what your saying is you have absolutely no proof a cop did it, but It's official misconduct. Okay then. Actually, I know someone who was there; and who reported it before it hit the mainstream news. It did happen. Who? That's a bit tougher. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted May 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, Zeke said: Um yes Citation please, that parking lots are not private property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 Just now, W2MC said: Citation please, that parking lots are not private property. No you citation 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Zeke said: No you citation Everything I searched said "private property"; and the owner can order you off at will. You brought it up.......back it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 Just now, W2MC said: Everything I searched said "private property"; and the owner can order you off at will. You brought it up.......back it up. Show me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted May 22, 2020 https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/is-a-parking-lot-ever-public-property.148733/ https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-56/section-56-13-13 http://www.lawrev.state.nj.us/title39/web parking 021408.pdf https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080819162126AAx75hS https://www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/Statutes/Private-Property-and-Non-Consensual-Towing-Companies.pdf Have a blast 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 https://www.lawguru.com likewise 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted May 22, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 8:46 AM, SIGMan Freud said: I don't know much about these new-fangled Gestapo surveillance devices, but it seems to me that if someone were to cut that coilly wire things would pretty much grind to a halt. It's really convenient that everyone has to wear a mask these days, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted May 22, 2020 Here's the OP's Title: gym in belmar (sic)to open tomorrow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC1341 36 Posted May 22, 2020 It sounds like this gym owner dude may be a total dirt bag, or at least did one thing we can all pretty much agree was despicable in the past. I'll take the info provided at face value. I don't really see what that has to do with his actions now. You either agree with them or don't. Personally, I think the government has stepped over a boundary here, and people have a right to push back whether they're a dirt bag or a saint. I don't think we should all be rushing out to crowd into a gym and cough all over each other risking spreading this disease further., however, it sounded like they made a solid effort to operate in as safe a manner as they could. What right does the government have to tell a business they can't operate at all? And what right do they have to tell me I can't go partake of the services or products offered by a privately operated business if I want to? People will be idiots. I get that. But I don't remember being born into a society that operated under the assumption that we needed daddy and mommy to tell us whether we are allowed to try and make a living. I get that the situation we are in is extreme, but I don't see nearly enough effort being made in consideration of people's livelihoods. Oooo... yay $1,200. How many people did that help cover their rent for one month? Thanks! I'll enjoy paying that and then some back in taxes later. If the government sees "protecting the public" as their duty then they need to wise up to the fact that peoples livelihoods need protection just as much as their health. Otherwise, butt out, provide some guidance, and realize this is 'Murica dammit! We'll figure this out and get through it. It's what we do. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted May 22, 2020 The Nazis running that place are out of control. Did anyone see t(e story and video of the woman in Bernardsville who can’t open her store, so has been selling her things on a Facebook Live sale? Gestapo walks in and tells her it is after 8pm and she can’t be conducting business after 8. People need to start filing lawsuits against Bucky. https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jersey-cop-business-facebook-live-sale?utm_source=theblaze-dailyPM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__PM 2020-05-21&utm_term=TheBlaze Daily PM - last 270 days 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,764 Posted May 22, 2020 Contacts for Bellmawr https://bellmawr.com/police William P. Walsh Position: Chief of Police Department: Police Department Phone: 856-931-2121 [email protected] https://bellmawr.com/contact Borough of Bellmawr 21 East Browning Road Bellmawr, NJ 08031 [email protected] (856) 933-1313 https://bellmawr.com/elected-officials Elected Officials Mayor Chuck Sauter [email protected] Councilman James F. D’Angelo [email protected] Councilman Steven B. Hagerty [email protected] Councilman Ray Bider [email protected] Councilman Jamie Casey [email protected] Councilman Paul DeAngelis [email protected] Councilman Craig Wilhelm [email protected] Make it rain... I was watching her live when the Gestapo came in. I called the police dpt and congradulated them for their service and making the thin blue line even thinner. Bedminster PD (908)766-0037 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted May 22, 2020 @Zeke @W2MC - I believe "public domain" refers primarily to works (writing, art, photos, etc.) that don't require a copyright. A privately-owned parking lot that is open to the public (shoppers, etc.) is actually called "quasi-public property". In most states, police are still allowed to ticket for CERTAIN serious traffic infractions (DUI, etc.) even on quasi-public property and they can't for less serious infractions unless the owner requests it. The other wrinkle is business insurance... insurance companies often require business owners to cooperate with local law enforcement in the parking lot area in order to qualify for the policy. Sooo, a private business owner might well be limited (either by law or insurance coverage) in his/her ability to prevent any kind of police action in a business's parking lot. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my understanding... and quasi-public property is the search term you can use to prove me right or wrong (but only if you're seriously pandemic-level bored). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: @Zeke @W2MC - I believe "public domain" refers primarily to works (writing, art, photos, etc.) that don't require a copyright. A privately-owned parking lot that is open to the public (shoppers, etc.) is actually called "quasi-public property". In most states, police are still allowed to ticket for CERTAIN serious traffic infractions (DUI, etc.) even on quasi-public property and they can't for less serious infractions unless the owner requests it. The other wrinkle is business insurance... insurance companies often require business owners to cooperate with local law enforcement in the parking lot area in order to qualify for the policy. Sooo, a private business owner might well be limited (either by law or insurance coverage) in his/her ability to prevent any kind of police action in a business's parking lot. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my understanding... and quasi-public property is the search term you can use to prove me right or wrong (but only if you're seriously pandemic-level bored). I’m not that bored. But I know what I know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Zeke said: But I know what I know Like how to make full size ribs fit into a crock pot using a circular saw? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: Like how to make full size ribs fit into a crock pot using a circular saw? Instapot... @JohnnyB 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,654 Posted May 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: Like how to make full size ribs fit into a crock pot using a circular saw? Hey....Zeke uses a compound miter saw to cut those ribs. The right tool for the right job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted May 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: Hey....Zeke uses a compound miter saw to cut those ribs. The right tool for the right job. I thought he just boils them until they fit. Like spaghetti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, voyager9 said: I thought he just boils them until they fit. Like spaghetti. It’s not ramaien soothesayer of cellar! Ffs! It’s artisanal culinary! Try and keep up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites