45Doll 5,877 Posted August 2, 2020 I know we've discussed the new 4473 before. And yes there's the new 'Binary' sex option. How nice. But today someone pointed out to me a layout change as well, and I don't remember this being discussed before. Take a look. At the bottom of the post I'll point out what I'm referring to. Wasn't the firearm listing section previously on Page 2, as in turn-it-over? Why, yes it was. Now why do you suppose they moved that section forward to the top of page one? Perhaps so that when it's received it can be scanned in one move, optically read, and then plugged into a database? After all, it does say PLEASE PRINT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted August 2, 2020 Always said print. Tin foilers believe it is for easy copying. Does it really matter? I don't like as it only has space for 3 guns. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted August 2, 2020 Can the old form still be used? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted August 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, PK90 said: Always said print. Tin foilers believe it is for easy copying. Does it really matter? I don't like as it only has space for 3 guns. Yes, it did always say PRINT. But it's not tin foil to notice that when all the info you want is in the same image it's easy to optically scan, recognize characters, digitize and shove into a database. Having to turn the page, scan a second image, and then locate both sections and do the same thing is tougher. But the really hard part is getting the scanning done with the previous form. You couldn't sheet feed it, and you'd need a lot more manual labor. Also tougher when you multiply by approximately 3,000,000 forms a month. As we're now seeing. And no, it won't matter. Until they pass a law demanding gun registration. Retroactively. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted August 2, 2020 I filled out the 4473 on Thursday and it was still the old one. I'm sorry but if you're confused about your sex, you're probably not mentally fit to purchase a firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted August 3, 2020 November 1st is the mandatory use date. I just received 500 and they were not the new ones. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted August 3, 2020 Non binary sounds unnatural! I much prefer He, She and It! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted August 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: Non binary sounds unnatural! I much prefer He, She and It! Male, Female, Undecided Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted August 3, 2020 Okay, so male, female and gay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InFamous 311 Posted August 3, 2020 So what happens if I choose Non-Binary next Firearm purchase? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted August 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, InFamous said: So what happens if I choose Non-Binary next Firearm purchase? Then you have to register as a Democrat. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman 5,682 Posted August 3, 2020 15 hours ago, InFamous said: So what happens if I choose Non-Binary next Firearm purchase? I think they might have to cut off your tallywacker. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,325 Posted August 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Handyman said: I think they might have to cut off your tallywacker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbedV0cPajg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigGuns 262 Posted December 14, 2022 Changes coming again to the 4473 in April 2023. Item 1, Section A is changing now that the ATF created the term “privately made firearms” (PMF) in Final Rule 2021R-05F. The rule was created in response to President Joe Biden’s demand that the ATF regulate so-called “ghost guns. The old Form 4472 had no option for PMFs. Section B is also getting two new disqualifying questions. Answering yes to either question will mean the prospective buyer cannot legally acquire the firearms. https://www.ammoland.com/2022/12/atf-form-4473-changing-next-year/#axzz7nSwXE4AB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdF 323 Posted December 14, 2022 On 8/2/2020 at 6:06 PM, 45Doll said: Having to turn the page, scan a second image, and then locate both sections and do the same thing is tougher. But the really hard part is getting the scanning done with the previous form. You couldn't sheet feed it, and you'd need a lot more manual labor. There have been scanners that cover both sides of multiple pages for years and OCR has been around even longer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted December 14, 2022 Oh good. Then they're well on their way to tracking us. You’d Better Watch Out: The Surveillance State Is Making a List, and You’re On It - LewRockwell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,153 Posted December 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, BigGuns said: Changes coming again to the 4473 in April 2023. Jesus Crisco!! Could they make the language any more confusing. Fuk'n government doublespeak. I remember a time, maybe the 80s, when there was a law saying government publications had to be understood at an 8th grade reading level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted December 15, 2022 First question is "yes', the rest are "no". Easy Peasy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlennS87 65 Posted December 15, 2022 Here is a video from a lawyer discussing the new form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites