Jump to content
revenger

America out of ammo

Recommended Posts

NJ.com ran a story on ammo.

https://www.nj.com/news/2020/08/the-country-is-literally-out-of-ammunition-gun-store-owners-scramble-to-meet-unprecedented-demand.html

 

They have it hidden behind their subscription area,   just by chance does anyone subscribe to this commie website so you can post it here.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't  have a sub, but I just broke their subscription script to read the whole thing.

------------------

Every couple of weeks, Eric Rebels will make a two-hour trip from North Jersey to Eagle Point Gun in Gloucester County in a desperate quest to get ammunition to sell at his gun store.

To get a good place on line, he will sleep in his car overnight to be ready when the distributor opens its doors in the morning.

Sometimes, Rebels scores and is able to get one to two cases of 9mm bullets (1,000 rounds per case). Other times, he comes back empty handed.

In any case, Rebels says these days it is his only option. Not only is ammunition scarce, he notes, but he also has more customers than ever before at County Line Firearms in East Hanover.

“There is a nationwide shortage so what you can get you have to go through to get,” Rebels said.

Guns store owners around the state say the confluence of the coronavirus pandemic, civil unrest and an upcoming presidential election have created an unprecedented surge in residents seeking to purchase firearms and ammunition. The surge began, they say, when the coronavirus pandemic began devastating the country in March and continued to skyrocket in the aftermath of the protests that followed after George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, was killed by police in Minneapolis in May.

As of August 12, the New Jersey State Police has received nearly 130,000 firearm applications, topping the number of applications the agency received in 2018 and 2019 combined, according to State Police data. The number of applications this year has increased by more than 137% since last year— with more than 4 months left in 2020, according to the agency.

Michael D. Anestis, the executive director New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center, is studying the surge in firearm purchases during the pandemic. “A lot of the purchasing is driven by anxiety,” he said, which is not uncommon in times of uncertainty, adding that preliminary data suggests the demand is the highest it has been in decades.

“Our culture sort of navigated towards a script where firearms represent safety and a way to protect yourself and your loved ones. If you start to view the world through this anxious lens, it starts to make sense,” he said. “It is a behavior motivated by a desire to feel safe.”

States across the country have experienced similar spikes in firearm ownership, creating a burden on the manufacturers to produce more ammunition, gun store owners say. Ammunition shelves at gun stores and shooting ranges are bare, and dealers say they are often unable to meet the growing demand.

“There is no product in the country,” said Rick Friedman, who owns RTSP, which operates gun ranges and stores in Randolph and Union. “Until they start producing more and it is hitting the docks, there is just no product to have. It is beyond a dire situation. The country is literally out of ammunition.”

“Right now, getting the guns are hard, the ammo is hard,” said Jack Faenza, co-owner of Garden State Armory. “Everything is hard.”

Tom Morris III, owner of Eagle Point Gun, said gun store owners line up outside his place every time since he sends out an alert that he has received a shipment of ammunition.

“There is not a lack of production,” he said. “They are making as much as they have ever made, but there is a physical limitation to what they can make.”

Multiple gun and ammunition manufacturers did not respond to requests for comment, though some of the bigger national brands, like Winchester and Federal Ammunition, have put notices at the top of their websites alerting customers to the shortage.

“Like many manufacturers in the shooting sports industry, we are experiencing an extremely high demand for our products. We are continuing to manufacture and ship our high quality products on a daily basis,” the Winchester website says.

New Jersey residents can buy ammunition online or in stores with their firearms identification card, although ammunition has not been readily available since March and some online outlets have increased prices as high as 500%, Friedman said.

David Rosenthal, vice president of the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners, said 9mm caliber rounds, which are widely popular, are “scarce.” He said if a gun store does have them, it will limit the amount of rounds a customer can buy.

“There is 10 times more people looking for the same amount of inventory that manufacturers routinely put out,” Rosenthal said.

The pandemic has upended the typical supply chain in the industry, gun store owners said. Friedman said manufacturers have told him they are unable to secure all the parts from around the world to make ammunition or firearms.

Friedman said in previous years he would get up to 30 handguns a week to sell. Now, he is lucky to get one or two, he said, adding that it is the first time since he opened his shooting ranges in 2011 that he is not selling certain calibers of ammunition to the public.

“You have basically the perfect storm,” Friedman said. “You have the demand and people buying up the current inventory, which happened over the last three months and then couple that with the actual problems with the supply chain, whether it is shipping and getting stuff into the country during the pandemic.”

Morris, owner of Eagle Point Gun, said he expects there to be ammunition shortage until at least the 2020 presidential election.

He said if President Donald Trump, who is seen as pro-gun, is re-elected he expects the demand will drop as it did in 2016 because firearm owners will ease up on stocking up on inventory and not worry as much about stricter gun control measures being implemented.

But until then, Friedman said the situation will remain dire. He said he will continue to contact manufacturers and distributors persistently to find ways to bring limited ammunition and firearms in the store to meet the demand.

“Nobody has a magic bullet,” he said.

Our journalism needs your support. Please subscribe today to NJ.com.

  • Thanks 3
  • Informative 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For such a liberal rag it's only a partially ignorant article. The two items that stuck out to me: Called ammunition/cartridges bullets. Mentioned NJ residents can buy ammo online, but left out that many companies refuse to ship to NJ since they don't want to deal with the BS and politicians we have.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

thanks for posting the whole article.

 

 i honestly am somewhat shocked that the manufacturers didn't "spool up" production earlier. even with the plandemic being sorta a surprise, it coulda been safely assumed that the election would increase demand.

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Malsua said:

He said if President Donald Trump, who is seen as pro-gun, is re-elected he expects the demand will drop as it did in 2016 because firearm owners will ease up on stocking up on inventory and not worry as much about stricter gun control measures being implemented.

I disagree with Morris' assessment.  When Trump wins, the left is going to go even harder, we will still have the specter of WuFlu looming over the country,  people out of work, and so on.  This is more than post massacre/pre-election jitters. 

The socialists have a toehold that they will not let go of easily.  It's not like they will shake hands after they loose and say "good game" and go home.  If you think it's bad now, just imagine the temper tantrum they will throw on November 4th.

 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said:

I disagree with Morris' assessment.  When Trump wins, the left is going to go even harder, we will still have the specter of WuFlu looming over the country,  people out of work, and so on.  This is more than post massacre/pre-election jitters. 

The socialists have a toehold that they will not let go of easily.  It's not like they will shake hands after they loose and say "good game" and go home.  If you think it's bad now, just imagine the temper tantrum they will throw on November 4th.

 

His reelection is not a given....  u just may see biden...be ready for that....be very ready

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Sota said:

here's the important question: will ammo shortages crash gun prices at some point?
just looking for opportunities for a deal when the time comes.

I don't believe gun prices will ever crash again.

And ammo shortages will not end. Demand will always outstrip supply given the political atmosphere.

And if you think .22s will be the ammo of last resort, think again. A well placed .22 at 100yds still carries enough energy to penetrate and do life-threatening damage.

The days of "buy it cheap" are gone forever. Stocking it deep is just a temporary situation. Using it against those who would steal the Republic by "fundamentally transforming" the nation will be commonplace. Blood WILL flow, I predict.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Malsua said:

As of August 12, the New Jersey State Police has received nearly 130,000 firearm applications, topping the number of applications the agency received in 2018 and 2019 combined, according to State Police data. The number of applications this year has increased by more than 137% since last year— with more than 4 months left in 2020, according to the agency.

The FFLs here must be rolling in the cash!!!

PolishedGiganticFairybluebird-size_restr

  • Agree 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Malsua said:

David Rosenthal, vice president of the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners, said 9mm caliber rounds, which are widely popular, are “scarce.” He said if a gun store does have them, it will limit the amount of rounds a customer can buy.

“There is 10 times more people looking for the same amount of inventory that manufacturers routinely put out,” Rosenthal said.

 @Malsua Thanks for posting!  At least they didn't screw-up my quote, lol!

In typical Star Ledger fashion, they took Rick Friedman's quote & ran with it like 

CHICKEN LITTLE:  THE SKY IS FALLING!!, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

"THE COUNTRY IS LITERALLY OUT OF AMMUNITION!!!"

Which they made the eye-catching headline of the story, of course, lol!  No one is "out of ammo", because all that ammo that got hoarded sure as hell didn't get pumped back into the ground from whence it came, lol!  The ammo merely changed hands faster than the normal supply chain could keep up.  There will be a "saturation point" at sometime in the future where folks will feel safe enough w/ XXX number of thousands of rounds of ammo in their bunkers and a YUGE credit card bill....

Rosey

P.S.:  Don't all you 9mm Fan Boys out there wish you had a couple .40 Short & Weak platforms & a few mags???  LOL!

Here's Eric Rebels, Shaneen Allen & myself on GFH Radio from Feb. 2019.

Image may contain: 4 people, including Anthony Colandro, David Rosenthal and Shaneen Allen, people smiling

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

thanks for posting the whole article.

 

 i honestly am somewhat shocked that the manufacturers didn't "spool up" production earlier. even with the plandemic being sorta a surprise, it coulda been safely assumed that the election would increase demand.

That costs a literal fuckton of cash to do so.  And without knowing how long that equipment would be in service, there's no way to compute ROI.  Never mind there's the overall supply problem of components to them as well.

26 minutes ago, Sniper said:

What's this ammo shortage I'm hearing about? Where?

f92cb09201e015d44f5447b98edf77c3.jpg

That... is far too pretty a display.

  • Like 1
  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, njJoniGuy said:

I don't believe gun prices will ever crash again.

And ammo shortages will not end. Demand will always outstrip supply given the political atmosphere.

And if you think .22s will be the ammo of last resort, think again. A well placed .22 at 100yds still carries enough energy to penetrate and do life-threatening damage.

The days of "buy it cheap" are gone forever. Stocking it deep is just a temporary situation. Using it against those who would steal the Republic by "fundamentally transforming" the nation will be commonplace. Blood WILL flow, I predict.

I'm going to disagree on that one.  Here's my reasoning:

Thurston and Lovely (*) first time gun owners aren't going to go out and get bunches of gats and rods in various calibers, and want to pile high and stack deep.  They'll get 1,2,3 guns at most, 2 calibers at best, and 1000 rounds total.  After that, they're just not going to go all in like lots of us do. I think that description will be for a large chunk (>75%) of the class I just described.

I'm also going to say Bubba and Bubbette already have "nearly" enough guns, such that they're not going to go in and clear the shelves when T&L have had their fill of paying way over standard price.  Some will still want MOAR AMMOZ even now, but I don't see that class being enough to sustain the current rates, or anything near it. Whoring your sister doesn't give nearly the return it used to; ask me how i know. :D

Now given that ammo manufacturers aren't spinning up production, we aren't going to see a major pricing/supply whiplash like we did post-sandy hook.  I see the steady trundling along of gun and ammo production, to where demand will fall enough to meet supply, if not create a surplus as is generally the case with capitalism.

(*) if you get the reference, 10 million internet points to you. :D

 

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Sota said:

(*) if you get the reference, 10 million internet points to you. :D

It's "Lovey"  not Lovely.  I get bonus points on top of my 10 million.

Mr Howell may buy a gun, but it's for show.  He has men in black that talk into their cuffs for protection.

  • Agree 1
  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Sota said:

I'm also going to say Bubba and Bubbette already have "nearly" enough guns, such that they're not going to go in and clear the shelves when T&L have had their fill of paying way over standard price.  Some will still want MOAR AMMOZ even now, but I don't see that class being enough to sustain the current rates, or anything near it.

I don't know about that. There were some, after the Sandy Hook shooting, who said they wouldn't get caught in the next shortage, or pay those crazy prices, so they stocked up. Then, things calmed down, and some others took that opportunity to buy a few more boxes at the lower prices.

Fast forward to now, even some guys on this forum, who SHOULD be "woke", are scrounging around for ammo. Apparently, there are a few guys that aren't good Boy Scouts, and didn't plan ahead.

So, will these dudes wake up THIS time, and stock up when inventory gets better? I'm guessing, yes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, njJoniGuy said:

I don't believe gun prices will ever crash again.

And ammo shortages will not end. Demand will always outstrip supply given the political atmosphere.

And if you think .22s will be the ammo of last resort, think again. A well placed .22 at 100yds still carries enough energy to penetrate and do life-threatening damage.

The days of "buy it cheap" are gone forever. Stocking it deep is just a temporary situation. Using it against those who would steal the Republic by "fundamentally transforming" the nation will be commonplace. Blood WILL flow, I predict.

Several manufacturers ramped-up production, and had their butts handed to them when the bottom fell out of the market.

The Cerberus Group thought they could buy several manufacturers (Remington, Marlin, and several others), uproot them and put them all under a single roof down south and make a killing via “efficiencies” and other such managerial pipe dreams.  We’ve all seen how that went.

  • Like 2
  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Sota said:

here's the important question: will ammo shortages crash gun prices at some point?
just looking for opportunities for a deal when the time comes.

I doubt it.  My days being able to walk into the LGS and find something interesting for $200 are gone.  I used to be able to get Springfield XD's, Ruger SRx, similar stuff for that all day.  Now, the worst functioning handgun is worth $250, all because the buybacks pay that much for handguns.  If the store can't get that much from the public that's what happens to the cheap stuff.

Ammo is out there if you only want a couple boxes for defense.  There are so many first-time buyers that only want 1 box so they can feel secure.  They're the one that worry me the most.  No training, fear and an unknown fight-or-flight response.

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Scorpio64 said:

It's "Lovey"  not Lovely.  I get bonus points on top of my 10 million.

Mr Howell may buy a gun, but it's for show.  He has men in black that talk into their cuffs for protection.

my bad. my brain did a thing. you get 1 million bonus points. :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/22/2020 at 5:25 PM, Sota said:

That costs a literal fuckton of cash to do so.  And without knowing how long that equipment would be in service, there's no way to compute ROI.  Never mind there's the overall supply problem of components to them as well.

That... is far too pretty a display.

agree, looks like a wall display!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/22/2020 at 4:59 PM, Sniper said:

What's this ammo shortage I'm hearing about? Where?

f92cb09201e015d44f5447b98edf77c3.jpg

I'll agree whoever owns this is off to a really good start. Seriously though.....In SHTF, this meager supply just ain't gonna cut it! 

Where are the full cases? He is heavy on shotgun ammo but far too light on rifle and pistol ammo as far as I can see from the pic!

Other than the display and lighting, I am not impressed with the quantities! It may be pretty but it's not a good way to store ammo for the long term.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I bought a case of the win AA shells  low recoil and low noise,  I also have some of those mini shells in 00 buck and slugs .

I haven't shot the mini's , But the AA are a pleasure to shoot with a birds mouth grip. shotgun

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, JohnnyB said:

I'll agree whoever owns this is off to a really good start. Seriously though.....In SHTF, this meager supply just ain't gonna cut it! 

Where are the full cases? He is heavy on shotgun ammo but far too light on rifle and pistol ammo as far as I can see from the pic!

Other than the display and lighting, I am not impressed with the quantities! It may be pretty but it's not a good way to store ammo for the long term.

tenor.gif

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



×
×
  • Create New...