10X 3,296 Posted October 22, 2020 Deputy fire chief charged with possession of firearm suppressors He says he ordered them believing they were fuel filters for his truck*. If that defense works, I may have to repatriate to NJ my collection of black Gen4 17-tablet PEZ dispensers. These *OK, he was arrested while voluntarily surrendering them at his local police station, so maybe it was all a mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted October 22, 2020 Yeah, it says he surrendered the first box and was arrested (by Feds) trying to do the same with the second box. The article also says that all the charges are related to the suppressors, not standard-cap mags like an earlier article claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
My1stGlock 144 Posted October 22, 2020 Would be curious to see what ad he responded to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,811 Posted October 22, 2020 Ammoland article on this: https://www.ammoland.com/2020/10/nj-gun-owner-trusts-police-gets-arrested-charged-home-raided/ 47 minutes ago, My1stGlock said: Would be curious to see what ad he responded to. Supposedly this is the ad: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 890 Posted October 22, 2020 I could see him winning a huge lawsuit based on how it reads Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, RUTGERS95 said: I could see him winning a huge lawsuit based on how it reads The ATF had said time and time again these are NOT suppressors and are 100% legal to own. Unless YOU modify them to work as a suppressor they are legal. Will be VERY interesting to see what happens. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted October 23, 2020 No worries gents. Nappens on it. High priority big money case. Were good. 1 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted October 23, 2020 17 hours ago, RUTGERS95 said: I could see him winning a huge lawsuit based on how it reads Indeed. If the description provided by Nappan is accurate, it looks like an "Oooops" moment for Homeland and the county prosecutor: "Nappen said when Moran received the first shipment of silencers, he went to a local auto parts store and showed them to a clerk. The clerk told Moran the devices were not filters and suggested he turn them over to police. Moran brought the items to the Carlstadt Police Department and handed them over at the front desk. Ten days later, a second shipment of silencers came to his home – even though Moran thought he’d canceled the order through PayPal. Nappen said Moran brought the box of additional silencers to police headquarters. But as he pulled into the parking lot, he was arrested by agents from Homeland Security and the county prosecutor’s office, who had apparently been monitoring his movements. “This is all pretty outrageous when you consider he tried to surrender these things,” Nappen told NJ Advance Media." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 242 Posted October 23, 2020 I read the articles. Hopefully more information will be revealed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
My1stGlock 144 Posted October 23, 2020 If he tried to turn them in it’s just another slap in the face of another legal permit owning gun owner. Hope all the details come out and it all gets thrown out. the other issue is if not guilty he’s gonna have to go through all the hoops to get his stash back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, My1stGlock said: the other issue is if not guilty he’s gonna have to go through all the hoops to get his stash back. Nope. A new law was passed the requires any confiscated propert to be returned shortly after a trial or if charges are dropped. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/01/28/new-jersey-is-now-the-16th-state-to-require-convictions-for-civil-forfeiture/amp/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted October 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: Nope. A new law was passed the requires any confiscated propert to be returned shortly after a trial or if charges are dropped. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/01/28/new-jersey-is-now-the-16th-state-to-require-convictions-for-civil-forfeiture/amp/ Oh, good. Life is so much better with the law requiring that P2P's be issued in 30 days or less, so I expect NJ will follow this with equal diligence. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted October 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: A new law was passed the requires any confiscated propert to be returned shortly after a trial or if charges are dropped. Kinda like how they followed https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-12/? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, YankeeSC said: Kinda like how they followed https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-12/? They did follow it. Was the guy arrest in the police station after handing the items over? No. Besides, your asking for a shit show buying cases of 'solvent" traps from china. 8 minutes ago, 10X said: Oh, good. Life is so much better with the law requiring that P2P's be issued in 30 days or less, so I expect NJ will follow this with equal diligence. YMMV. I get permits in 3 weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,091 Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, JackDaWack said: Besides, your asking for a shit show buying cases of 'solvent" traps from china. Guy doesn't look too sharp judging from the mug shot. Fuel filters via China from an Instagram ad? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/22/2020 at 11:20 AM, 10X said: Deputy fire chief charged with possession of firearm suppressors He says he ordered them believing they were fuel filters for his truck*. If that defense works, I may have to repatriate to NJ my collection of black Gen4 17-tablet PEZ dispensers. These *OK, he was arrested while voluntarily surrendering them at his local police station, so maybe it was all a mistake. Even if it wasnt a mistake, do you really think that a man should be stripped of his freedom, his home raided, for committing a victim-less crime? Wheres the victim? Who was harmed or injured? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted October 23, 2020 7 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: Indeed. If the description provided by Nappan is accurate, it looks like an "Oooops" moment for Homeland and the county prosecutor: "Nappen said when Moran received the first shipment of silencers, he went to a local auto parts store and showed them to a clerk. The clerk told Moran the devices were not filters and suggested he turn them over to police. Moran brought the items to the Carlstadt Police Department and handed them over at the front desk. Ten days later, a second shipment of silencers came to his home – even though Moran thought he’d canceled the order through PayPal. Nappen said Moran brought the box of additional silencers to police headquarters. But as he pulled into the parking lot, he was arrested by agents from Homeland Security and the county prosecutor’s office, who had apparently been monitoring his movements. “This is all pretty outrageous when you consider he tried to surrender these things,” Nappen told NJ Advance Media." Wait a second. In his statements, did Nappen really refer to these things as "silencers"??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted October 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, deerpark said: Even if it wasnt a mistake, do you really think that a man should be stripped of his freedom, his home raided, for committing a victim-less crime? No, I made no such statement and hold no such beliefs. You're thinking of Homeland Security, you know, the ones who actually arrested him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 10X said: No, I made no such statement and hold no such beliefs. You're thinking of Homeland Security, you know, the ones who actually arrested him. It can be difficult to determine a "tone" from a text post. It seemed like you were implying that the guy purchased the items intentionally and in doing so, he deserved what he got. I apologize if that wasnt your intention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted October 23, 2020 It wasn’t my intention. No worries. The joke about rebranding Glock mags as Pez dispensers suggested itself as I was typing the post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, deerpark said: It seemed like you were implying that the guy purchased the items intentionally and in doing so, he deserved what he got. He did, though. Who buys 2 boxes worth of random "fuel filters" from China? I was under the belief the items were legal, im sure he was too. He most likely saw in the news recently people were getting arrested for these things..he's one of many over the past few months. He tried to get rid of them, which was smart.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, JackDaWack said: He did, though. Who buys 2 boxes worth of random "fuel filters" from China? I was under the belief the items were legal, im sure he was too. He most likely saw in the news recently people were getting arrested for these things..he's one of many over the past few months. He tried to get rid of them, which was smart.. I'm speaking to the point of victim-less crimes. If there is no victim, there is no crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, deerpark said: I'm speaking to the point of victim-less crimes. If there is no victim, there is no crime. That's far from reality. Every drug would be legal under that system. 1 hour ago, deerpark said: I'm speaking to the point of victim-less crimes. If there is no victim, there is no crime. I'm speaking to the point of him knowingly trying to circumvent the law. Whether you agree with it or not. Who else is is buying monocore baffles in hollow fuel filters and passing them off as "solvent traps" NFA isn't really a law that you fuck around with and then when caught ask "where's the victim", that's not reality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deerpark 83 Posted October 24, 2020 14 hours ago, JackDaWack said: That's far from reality. Every drug would be legal under that system. I'm speaking to the point of him knowingly trying to circumvent the law. Whether you agree with it or not. Who else is is buying monocore baffles in hollow fuel filters and passing them off as "solvent traps" NFA isn't really a law that you fuck around with and then when caught ask "where's the victim", that's not reality Not sure of your point here. Are you saying that its somehow less of a victim-less crime if its a federal level infringement as opposed to a state level infringement? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted October 24, 2020 Guy wants a suppressor Suppressors are legal in some states on forms and tax stamps Guy doesnt want to move to a free state, do the paperwork pay the fee and wait. Guy tries to be slick playing a word game to get his toys... Guy gets pinched...cause he's a dope... Guy gets what he deserves as you play stupid games you win stupid prizes...like silver braclets ... Don't be this guy or make him some kinda martyr for the 2A - he's a dolt. Can you argue its a victimless crime? Sure...however its still a crime till the law changes...work to change the law. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,433 Posted October 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, USRifle30Cal said: Guy wants a suppressor Suppressors are legal in some states on forms and tax stamps Guy doesnt want to move to a free state, do the paperwork pay the fee and wait. Guy tries to be slick playing a word game to get his toys... Guy gets pinched...cause he's a dope... Guy gets what he deserves as you play stupid games you win stupid prizes...like silver braclets ... Don't be this guy or make him some kinda martyr for the 2A - he's a dolt. Can you argue its a victimless crime? Sure...however its still a crime till the law changes...work to change the law. Except that isn’t the scenario portrayed in the article. Your interpretation is 180 degrees off from what was said. Not saying the article is right.. it’s from the guys lawyer, on a pro-gun site after all... but yours is completely opposite. How many dolts who want illegal suppressors take their shipment to Napa? Turn them into police? Try to cancel their order via online service? All of that is easily verified. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,773 Posted October 24, 2020 Nappen woke up and smelled the scent of $$$$! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted October 24, 2020 2 hours ago, deerpark said: Not sure of your point here. Are you saying that its somehow less of a victim-less crime if its a federal level infringement as opposed to a state level infringement? Not sure what you're point is... a law is a law, and a crime is breaking a law.. Other than a difference is philosophical opinion what does it being "victimless" have to do with the reality that he broke a law? Speeding is a victimless crime 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, USRifle30Cal said: Guy wants a suppressor Suppressors are legal in some states on forms and tax stamps Guy doesnt want to move to a free state, do the paperwork pay the fee and wait. Guy tries to be slick playing a word game to get his toys... Guy gets pinched...cause he's a dope... Guy gets what he deserves as you play stupid games you win stupid prizes...like silver braclets ... Don't be this guy or make him some kinda martyr for the 2A - he's a dolt. Can you argue its a victimless crime? Sure...however its still a crime till the law changes...work to change the law. Guy wants his freedoms. Suppressors are illegal in some unjust states and tax stamps are BS Guy shouldn't have to move to a free state (he lives in the US of A), shouldn't have to do the paperwork or pay any fee Guy is foolish because he cannot get past the "gotcha" goons Guy's life gets destroyed since he obviously isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Guy gets much more than he deserves because we live in an upside down world (too bad his name isn't Biden) I agree, Don't be this guy, his life is ruined. It is much better to comply in a police state and a post-Democratic Republic. He will put on those bracelets and stay in jail, unlike the real criminals and the pathetic justice system that get released. I do see your point though, and he and I and you must all try to comply to the letter and spirit of the law. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, JackDaWack said: Speeding is a victimless crime A lot of dead crash victims would disagree, if they could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites