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While I cannot forecast the election results, I can with great accuracy forecast what Biden, if he wins, will do to the gun and ammo availability. Nothing!

Absolutely nothing, sure there will be a lot of sheep running to stock on guns and ammo for a couple of months but any of us that owns guns in case of needing to use them for real, already have enough guns, and probably enough ammo.

And the sad truth is that nothing can be done about gun laws in the US, sad because in a state like New Jersey there are so many  restrictions that do not make any sense, while on some other states the laws are way to loose. I'm sure we all here agree that to check for mental health and criminal record, and have you a day or two when you get your first gun, are not unreasonable expectations. 

I doubt you have enough democrats that will take on the gun issue at the risk of alienating their voters. And the republicans are sure not touching this.

So I forecast, nothing, no actual legislation, but there will be some talk and some sound bites.

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To the OP:  Are you presenting something you read or heard, or are those your predictions?  Not disputing you conclusions, but just wondering where they came from?

Off topic, but where do you shoot in the Palm Beach County area?  I'm hoping to spend some time in Jupiter over the winter, and would be looking for a place or places to shoot. 

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7 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

While I cannot forecast the election results, I can with great accuracy forecast what Biden, if he wins, will do to the gun and ammo availability. Nothing!

Absolutely nothing, sure there will be a lot of sheep running to stock on guns and ammo for a couple of months but any of us that owns guns in case of needing to use them for real, already have enough guns, and probably enough ammo.

And the sad truth is that nothing can be done about gun laws in the US, sad because in a state like New Jersey there are so many  restrictions that do not make any sense, while on some other states the laws are way to loose. I'm sure we all here agree that to check for mental health and criminal record, and have you a day or two when you get your first gun, are not unreasonable expectations. 

I doubt you have enough democrats that will take on the gun issue at the risk of alienating their voters. And the republicans are sure not touching this.

So I forecast, nothing, no actual legislation, but there will be some talk and some sound bites.

I disagree with your statements. Even if a majority Democrat control house and senate won't touch the gun control topic (which is unlikely, they would push to pass univerisal background checks and a system for a national registry of firearms to enforce UBC) the executive branch can still do alot of things to affect our gun rights. A Biden/Harris administration can effectively ban imported "assault weapons" and ammunition like Zastava AKs and cheap steel case ammo for example. Also ban accessories such as pistol braces also. 

Also with terms of our laws, its too strict. With the amount of people applying for their first guns and buying guns, the typical wait to get a firearm (which was too long to begin with) has been longer than watching paint dry! NICS been taking a week to get back and permits have been taking months for some! Seems unreasonable to me!

Also it takes one term for a congressmen to vote and pass anti gun laws and it takes 10 lifetimes to reverse the negative effects!

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56 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

So I forecast, nothing, no actual legislation, but there will be some talk and some sound bites.

So, you're saying that Biden is lying about this on his web site, like everything else he's lied about? Or, does he just not remember what's on his site? Here's just one, there's a whole lot more at the link.

...."End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

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3 minutes ago, Sniper said:

So, you're saying that Biden is lying about this on his web site, like everything else he's lied about? Or, does he just not remember what's on his site? Here's just one, there's a whole lot more at the link.

...."End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Will that help stop the non-lawful procurement of firearms in Trenton, Newark, etc.?

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18 hours ago, Sniper said:

So, you're saying that Biden is lying about this on his web site, like everything else he's lied about? Or, does he just not remember what's on his site? Here's just one, there's a whole lot more at the link.

...."End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Let's take a breath here...

Just because a politician says something on his web site and means it with his little hart, doesn't mean it will happen. Hell I want to make love to Angelina Jolie, and even got a theoretical pass from the wife. Does that mean it will happen if I post this on my web site?

My point is, and if you let your blinding hate for Biden or anyone that is not Trump aside for a minute you may find it valid, that changing the gun laws is not something that the president can do. Further more with state rights, it is not clear if even congress and senate can do a significant change. Just try and count on you hand the actual major changes to gun laws done in the last 20 years....

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18 hours ago, always_an_eagle said:

I disagree with your statements. Even if a majority Democrat control house and senate won't touch the gun control topic (which is unlikely, they would push to pass univerisal background checks and a system for a national registry of firearms to enforce UBC) the executive branch can still do alot of things to affect our gun rights. A Biden/Harris administration can effectively ban imported "assault weapons" and ammunition like Zastava AKs and cheap steel case ammo for example. Also ban accessories such as pistol braces also. 

Also with terms of our laws, its too strict. With the amount of people applying for their first guns and buying guns, the typical wait to get a firearm (which was too long to begin with) has been longer than watching paint dry! NICS been taking a week to get back and permits have been taking months for some! Seems unreasonable to me!

Also it takes one term for a congressmen to vote and pass anti gun laws and it takes 10 lifetimes to reverse the negative effects!

I agree with you 100% that taking 30 days or more to approve a gun purchase is unacceptable. I want to point out that to get a car license you need a test. Both theoretical and practical. I would support legislation that makes sure that ALL new gun owners will get their gun permit within 5 business days as long as it includes training and a practical test.

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15 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

I agree with you 100% that taking 30 days or more to approve a gun purchase is unacceptable. I want to point out that to get a car license you need a test. Both theoretical and practical. I would support legislation that makes sure that ALL new gun owners will get their gun permit within 5 business days as long as it includes training and a practical test.

Having a license to drive isn't a constitutionally-protected right, any more than having a license to pilot an aircraft, practice medicine, or cut hair.

What level of training and testing would you like to see applied to exercising other constitutional rights?  Voting, say, or exercising free speech?    

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10 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

I agree with you 100% that taking 30 days or more to approve a gun purchase is unacceptable. I want to point out that to get a car license you need a test. Both theoretical and practical. I would support legislation that makes sure that ALL new gun owners will get their gun permit within 5 business days as long as it includes training and a practical test.

Driving a car is a privilege while gun ownership IS A RIGHT! In the states that require training and testing to obtain a firearm, it take time and money to process everything, and COVID has shown, when government offices and agencies shut down, you are denied of your right to bear a firearm. Even in normal circumstances, still can take months to get a gun.

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37 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

Just because a politician says something on his web site and means it with his little hart, doesn't mean it will happen.

Really?

Is that why you Liberals blast Trump for all the things he says? And try and hold him literally to each crazy statement? Try watching CNN for an hour.

Liberals... if it wasn't for double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all... Can you say hypocrisy?

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1 hour ago, 10X said:

What level of training and testing would you like to see applied to exercising other constitutional rights?  Voting, say, or exercising free speech?    

Absolutely!  Because in the wrong hands, voting is dangerous too!   Look what's happened to NJ!

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1 hour ago, YankeeSC said:

Because in the wrong hands, voting is dangerous too!

So here is what I propose:

  • When you register to vote, you must also register for the voter education/civics class.
  • The civics class will be 8 hours in length and will cover topics necessary to understand about the history of our country, the structure of our government and purpose of each branch, the constitution and its principals, and the reason for the electoral college.
  • After the class you must pass a 50 question exam and score over 80% to be eligible to vote.
  • Upon passing the exam you will receive a voter ID card.
  • The voter ID card will be required to actually vote.
  • When you go to vote, you must retake and pass the 50 question exam (NJ only - to mirror their FID/P2P process)
  • You must pass a background check before you take the class and every time you vote (NJ only) (we don't want criminals voting!)
  • You must obtain your voter ID card 30 days before voting (waiting period).
  • Prior to issuing your voter ID card you must have positive  response from 3 references (again, NJ only).
  • When you move, you must update your voter ID card and the state has 30 days to process it. (NJ residents must pass the exam and background check again).

Sounds about right?  Very fair - after all, this is for "our safety" in the election process right?

Did I miss anything?

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1 minute ago, YankeeSC said:

Did I miss anything?

That voter ID card should be issued in 30 days, but municipalities can choose to delay it for 60 or 90 or 180 days, and the voter has no recourse.

When going to the polls, you must drive directly there, and directly back--no side trips or errand running allowed.

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6 hours ago, Sniper said:

Really?

Is that why you Liberals blast Trump for all the things he says? And try and hold him literally to each crazy statement? Try watching CNN for an hour.

Liberals... if it wasn't for double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all... Can you say hypocrisy?

Is there a topic that you will not make into the same old rhetoric? You think democrats are evil incarnate, and in a democracy you are entitled to your opinion, but come on. Listening to you, one would think that Donald Trump was the president that took over from George Washington and democrats never had any majority or a president, and if god forbid they will, they will give the country to the Russians.

As to your other post. So you honestly believe that everything that a politician says they will do is 100% going to happen?

Notice I never said he didn't say it, I just said that he cannot make it happen. 

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3 hours ago, YankeeSC said:

So here is what I propose:

  • When you register to vote, you must also register for the voter education/civics class.
  • The civics class will be 8 hours in length and will cover topics necessary to understand about the history of our country, the structure of our government and purpose of each branch, the constitution and its principals, and the reason for the electoral college.
  • After the class you must pass a 50 question exam and score over 80% to be eligible to vote.
  • Upon passing the exam you will receive a voter ID card.
  • The voter ID card will be required to actually vote.
  • When you go to vote, you must retake and pass the 50 question exam (NJ only - to mirror their FID/P2P process)
  • You must pass a background check before you take the class and every time you vote (NJ only) (we don't want criminals voting!)
  • You must obtain your voter ID card 30 days before voting (waiting period).
  • Prior to issuing your voter ID card you must have positive  response from 3 references (again, NJ only).
  • When you move, you must update your voter ID card and the state has 30 days to process it. (NJ residents must pass the exam and background check again).

Sounds about right?  Very fair - after all, this is for "our safety" in the election process right?

Did I miss anything?

When is the last time someone shot themselves in the foot with a voter card?

This is just false equivalency. Guns are dangerous, just like cars, motorcycles, boats etc. If you cannot agree that asking someone to take a 2 hour class on gun safety and shooting 30 rounds is too much then you are just following some propaganda you heard and not thinking for yourself.

Would you like to allow your kids school teacher to carry a gun to school and have it in their purse when you kid is in the class, if they never learned how to handle a gun? of course not.

Do you let your kids play with a gun without teaching them how to use it? also no. So why is the issue of safety training so hard to talk about?

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10 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

Is there a topic that you will not make into the same old rhetoric? You think democrats are evil incarnate, and in a democracy you are entitled to your opinion, but come on.

See, you don't get it. It isn't my opinion, if you've been here long enough, it's based on Facts and Evidence. Unlike you, emotions don't run my life.

10 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

Listening to you, one would think that Donald Trump was the president that took over from George Washington and democrats never had any majority or a president, and if god forbid they will, they will give the country to the Russians.

Trump being President is the biggest joke going. But want to know why we got him? It's a response to having Obama for 8 years, and shitty Hillary as an alternate choice. Trump is a symptom to the major illness in this country.

10 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

As to your other post. So you honestly believe that everything that a politician says they will do is 100% going to happen?

Absolutely not, just pointing out the hypocrisy your friend, that guy, Rachel Maddow, does EVERY night. Blasting Trump for what he says and tweets.

Do you think it's fair to hold Trump's feet to the fire for what he says/posts, but we shouldn't be allow to do the same for Biden?

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1 minute ago, Sniper said:

See, you don't get it. It isn't my opinion, if you've been here long enough, it's based on Facts and Evidence. Unlike you, emotions don't rum my life.

Trump being President is the biggest joke going. But want to know why we got him? It's a response to having Obama for 8 years, and shitty Hillary and an alternate choice. Trump is a symptom to the major problem in this country.

Absolutely not, just pointing out the hypocrisy your friend, that guy, Rachel Maddow, does EVERY night. Blasting Trump for what he says and tweets.

Do you think it's fair to hold Trump's feet to the fire for what he says/posts, but we shouldn't be allow to do the same for Biden?

Dude, you have got to chill. Not anything that you think or heard is a fact. It is a fact that in all the years when democrats ruled the white house, we never turned into a communist state.

My point is that I forecast that nothing will be done by Biden if he is elected to restrict gun ownership. If you have an intelligent contribution please chime in, if not I don't care about Rachel Maddow, or Wolf Blister, or Barbara Streisand or anyone else you do not like and has nothing to do with this topic..

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1 minute ago, El Jefe said:

My point is that I forecast that nothing will be done by Biden if he is elected to restrict gun ownership.

It will be tough for him to sign any new legislation into law from his prison cell, right? :shok:

3 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

Dude, you have got to chill. Not anything that you think or heard is a fact. It is a fact that in all the years when democrats ruled the white house, we never turned into a communist state.

Why do you keep avoiding my question about the hypocrisy of the Left? Because it's true, maybe?

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2 hours ago, El Jefe said:

As to your other post. So you honestly believe that everything that a politician says they will do is 100% going to happen?

There is a huge difference between a passing comment during an interview and the written down policy on your website.  Especially when those policies 100% align with the party platform. 
 

Saying “He won’t really do that” (if he doesn’t win) or (The Democrats don’t take control of Congress) is a cop-out.  They will if given any opportunity. 

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5 hours ago, El Jefe said:

if not I don't care about Rachel Maddow, or Wolf Blister, or Barbara Streisand or anyone else you do not like and has nothing to do with this topic..

Just trying to figure out where you're getting your (incorrect) information from.

5 hours ago, El Jefe said:

Not anything that you think or heard is a fact. It is a fact that in all the years when democrats ruled the white house, we never turned into a communist state.

@El Jefe

Which past Dem President had such a Socialist leaning, and similar leaning VP candidate? And a Dem controlled House with the same leanings?

So, I'll ask you again. Based on your comment, we shouldn't take what Biden posts on his web site as fact? Then the only other choice is that they are lies? Which is it? Unicorns and Skittles?

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11 hours ago, El Jefe said:

Let's take a breath here...

Just because a politician says something on his web site and means it with his little hart, doesn't mean it will happen. Hell I want to make love to Angelina Jolie, and even got a theoretical pass from the wife. Does that mean it will happen if I post this on my web site?

My point is, and if you let your blinding hate for Biden or anyone that is not Trump aside for a minute you may find it valid, that changing the gun laws is not something that the president can do. Further more with state rights, it is not clear if even congress and senate can do a significant change. Just try and count on you hand the actual major changes to gun laws done in the last 20 years....

A reasonable and intellectually honest person only needs to look back 26 years to see what Democrats push anti-gun laws. I don't know if you how long you have been in the US but the Democrats passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act or Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB). The law was a national gun ban that had a sunset provision ten years after it became law (2004). Luckily we had a Republican as President and the law was allowed to sunset. It did nothing to prevent crime and was a senseless Democrat "feel good" law. Don't for one second think it won't happen because it already has in recent history.

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El Jefe? Where have I heard that name before? Oh, I believe that was one of Fidel Castro's nicknames. Guns are dangerous, but so are votes. Just ask those who had relatives die in nursing homes because of the actions of two other well known dictators, Murphy and Cuomo. I actually have no problem with your comment about asking someone to take a 2 hour class and shoot 30 rounds, as long as it is a request and not a requirement/infringement. Furthermore, to suggest that since something hasn't occurred in the past won't occur in the future seems to ignore the rabid proclivity of members of a certain political party towards socialism.

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40 minutes ago, bennj said:

Furthermore, to suggest that since something hasn't occurred in the past won't occur in the future seems to ignore the rabid proclivity of members of a certain political party towards socialism.

Actually, it has happened in the past. Which states have the toughest gun laws today? Which political party controls them?

I wonder if he will acknowledge them?

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OK for the last time.

I didn't say he didn't mean it. I'm just saying that it is close to impossible for any president to do it. Now this has nothing to do with my political inclination, the price of tea, or any other irrelevant sad story. I just believe that it will take a political coalition that none of the sides can amess. 

Now you can keep hating me for voting Biden, I don't care. I stand by my forecast, not because I'm trying to change anyone opinion here to vote for someone other then whoever they were going to vote to, just because I do not see a way for any serious gun reform in either direction for the foreseeable future.

1 hour ago, bennj said:

El Jefe? Where have I heard that name before? Oh, I believe that was one of Fidel Castro's nicknames. Guns are dangerous, but so are votes. Just ask those who had relatives die in nursing homes because of the actions of two other well known dictators, Murphy and Cuomo. I actually have no problem with your comment about asking someone to take a 2 hour class and shoot 30 rounds, as long as it is a request and not a requirement/infringement. Furthermore, to suggest that since something hasn't occurred in the past won't occur in the future seems to ignore the rabid proclivity of members of a certain political party towards socialism.

Man you are on to me, it is me Fidel : )

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7 hours ago, CMJeepster said:

What needs to be reformed?

What doesn't need to be reformed?

Allowing Carry in all states equally would be the first thing that jumps to mind. As well as creating a smarter way to try and control assault rifles that is not based on silly things as we have in NJ. If I will have a retractable buttstock is my AR really more deadly then with the fixed one? Or why is a silencer forbidden? 

And yes - I think there should be mandatory safety training for first time gun owners.

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14 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

As well as creating a smarter way to try and control assault rifles

A sling and AFG seems to work pretty well.  And -10 demerits for calling them assault rifles.  

 

15 minutes ago, El Jefe said:

I think there should be mandatory safety training for first time gun owners.

Do that with writing, speech, and voting.  

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