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yea. as more info about this floater comes to light, the smell gets worse for SA & RRA.

It is not worth responding to this nonsense, but I'm really trying to understand. Why do you think he owes you anything? And do you really imagine that he has some magic answer that he can share that will let the rest of us "beat the system"? You sound like a whiny, spoiled child. (And, I'm guessing that, no, he really doesn't feel stupid.) You are a perfect example of the welfare state mentality. It's someone else's responsibility to take care of your needs and make it better, right? You are jealous of what someone else has and, despite that person spending inordinate amounts of time and money working to fix the system, you criticize him because he has what you are unable to obtain, Let me help you out. Here is how you can beat the system: 1) Allocate $50,000 or so and hire a real lawyer (not one of the freebies from ANJRPC) to help you navigate the permit process and grease the skids. Don't have that kind of cash? Ok, build a successful business or go back to school and get your GED and a college degree. 2) Make some serious political and or business connections, through some combination of large political donations, charity and community work, and sheer force of personality. It might help to have some colorable claim that you meet the justifiable need standard. Not currently in the cards? Well, put down the Xbox controller, get out of your parents' basement, and get to work, 3) Get lucky. There, simple isn't it? In the meantime, buy yourself a giant tube if Vagisil and try to relax.

So get us the Recipe!

Are they shipping it back directly to you or to a FFL? If it's shipping to a FFL the ship to address shouldn't matter as long as your Pistol Permit and Driver's License have the same address still...

These are the kinds of questions that can be answered / addressed by someone who has already been successful at the task and through the process. Seems to me there's something wrong if someone who says they are in favor of CCL here in NJ, has a business that promotes firearms and training, PC's.. yet can't bring himself to fill us in , the NJ 2A community on the answers.....I don't get it.....what's the problem if it's being done legally ? Help us out.........will ya !

(27) Have you ever had a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, permit to carry a handgun or any other firearms license or application refused or revoked in New Jersey or any other state? If yes, explain. Well at least you are given the opportunity to "explain" lol

this is not a direct shot at anyone, so no one get your panties in a bunch unnecessarily, but for one reason or another organizing gun owners in this state, be it through this forum or others is like herding cats. i was and am more then willing to stick my neck on the line and do it, but only if im not the only one, and either we all have that symptom, or we sit back and wait to see how the other guy got it. i dont know if its a human issue or an us issue, but every time we go down this path we get to a point and it fizzles before any gain is reached. just my .02

The real question that has to be asked is why doesn't everyone on this board apply? What is the worst that could happen? They say no. I realize that people are afraid of the question on the PP that asks is you were ever denied. Has this ever affected anyone getting a PP after a denial for a carry permit? I believe that NJ gun owners would have a much stronger argument that NJ doesn't issue carry permits. The lack of applications/denials on paper indicates that NJ approves a large number of carry permits (due to the fact that those applying are security/retired police officers). Just saying that the application will be denied and complaining about it will achieve nothing. I believe that for you guys to move the argument you need to be able to show that NJ does deny the majority of applicants. According to the numbers this is simply not the fact.

I've been reading up on it, there's a fair bit being left out by the crowd who wants the pitchforks and torches put away. 1) The IFMA isn't an industry group. It's SA and RRA. They founded it, and three out of four board members are SA or RRA c-level suits or relations of them. The fourth is their primary lobbyist. 2) The bill didn't have enough votes to pass until the IFMA did their lobbying. This wasn't dodging inevitability, this was enabling shit legislation for a marginal competitive advantage. Or something else that has yet to be disclosed. 3) We live in the age of cell phones. There's zero excuse for not knowing what is going on and when. Even if your lobbyist had a "good idea" it should have been known days and days ago. SA's CEO's initial reaction was delayed and hostile. This press release is bullshit. 4) "While we do believe that IFMA acted in what it felt was the best interests of its members" IFMA has yet to produce any provable member of it's organization other than RRA and SA. You can wait and see all you like, but it's not shaping up well for them.

That's it............but no comment on CCL ........keep listening to those PC's for the one where he tells us all how to beat the system......don't you feel stupid yet......still waiting !

This is going to take a bit to flush out fully. As i've said in other places, hold off on the pitch forks and torches for a minute, but I don't see any reason not to make sure they're sharp and fueled up though.

1 apple cut into wedges 1 orange or 2 tangerines cut into wedges 1/2 cup of orange juice 1/2 cup of triple sec 1/2 cup of Your favorite Brandy 1 bottle of burgundy wine Gallo is fine 32oz soak fruit overnight in brandy and triple sec then add to wine It's always a hit.

I just kinda made it up it was a white peach sangria It's very technical .... mix all of the following until you like the taste white wine peach flavored vodka peach schnapps sliced white peaches sliced green grapes sliced apples I may have added a little bit of pineapple or orange juice (can't remember )

So I endup on a Pincus thread? Damn.

Hey!

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