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This is interesting. I asked a simple, courteous straightforward question. Yet you failed to answer. We all know how this oppressive state works. It's not fair or equitable and it is arbitrary in the extreme. If that isn't obvious then you don't live here. I know for a fact there are a couple of NJ concealed carry permit holders that aren't LEOs, or ever were, on this very forum. Notice they won't be baited into your meaningless arguement either. Not that I would ever speak for any of them, but I believe I can tell you what you can try to do to secure the Golden Fleece. First, dedicate yourself to the 2nd amendment cause beyond demanding on a free forum that "the time is now!" A good start would probably be coughing up the 30 bucks to become a premier member to help fund your soapbox to get people to take you seriously. Second, dontate time, money and ideas to law enforcement, local, county and state to help them understand the reality of New Jersey 2nd amendment advocates and gun owners. Third, after a decade of showing up to meetings, donating 100's of thousands of dollars to ALL the organizations that support your cause in this state, testify during public comment hearing on new laws, get your ass on national Fox News programs to advocate for our causes and commit to being a booster for law enforcement when they are being targeted FOR MURDER by funding vest replacement programs for police forces and actually buying new glocks for an entire police department. After a decade of tha above type of bonafides you may cross paths with powerful politicians, LE chiefs and judges. Forth, after cultivating these relationships for another decade, you may end up discussing current 2nd amendment issues in NJ with one of the above. Amazingly one of the powerholders offers to sponsor your application and they use their influence to walk the application through the draconian process and that influence gets you the card... Only to be critized by some that have no stake, commitment or impetus to do anything but cast aspersions from a keyboard on a forum they they don't have the wherewithal to become a paying member of. I don't know you, but I know several NJ CCW permit holders, their stories are dramatized above. It's similar to PBA cards. I venture to say that many on here have a wallet full. Some of us have family member badges that get you out of almost any issue roadside. What's the difference? These "get out of jail free" cards are a uniquely NY/NJ thing. So there you have it. It's who you know. If that comes as a surprise to you, no amount of explaination will get through the wall you have built. The key is what you have to do to get to know those you need to know. I would humbly suggest becoming a supporting member of all the NJ based pro-2a organization. Give Alexander Roubian a call at NJ2AS. Or Scott Bach at ANJRPC. They have vastly different approaches, which goes to show that there is room in our tent for everyone. So go ahead, get involved, cough up some tangible commitment to the cause and stop pissing in the tent and start pointing your piss at those that aren't standing up for your cause and hate your freedoms.

OK..... this one is done

I am gonna be short because i do not take kindly to all the fuckin trash talk. Meet me face to face and we can discuss all your problems with me. IT IS CALLED BEING A PARTNER OF A SECURITY COMPANY SINCE 1992 AND WORKING IN THAT CAPACITY AND CARRYING! THERE FUCKIN HAPPY. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND OR CONTACT ME, I AM DELETING MYSELF FROM THIS THREAD. AND WE WONDER WHY WE WILL NEVER HAVE CARRY IN NJ. THIS SHIT TALK MAKES ME QUESTION WHY I DO WHAT I DO FOR YOU UNGRATEFUL FUCKS. HAVE A NICE DAY ANTHONY

Actually, I don't. Since I admitted I don't know you, you should also admit that you don't know me. Nor my intelligence. But since I try to show a modicum of respect to those I disagree with by putting effort into the debate through carefully thought out arguement, your response denigrates the debate by devolving into ad hominem attacks. As far as I know, you are the kingpin of 2a advocacy in NJ. However your lack of contributing to this very site speaks volumes, at least to me. I will stipulate that our natural, constitutional and civil rights should not be granted or withheld on a whim. Unfortunately that is the environment we currently have in this state. That environment has been created by those talk a lot but do very little. There are over a million gun owners in this state. Do you think that if we stopped disagreeing on esoteric fringe issues and unified on the text of the 2nd amendment and we could finally displace the entrenched politicians that are hell bent on our oppression? Do you think if the "I only hunt" crowd stopped hating black rifles and their proponents and joined the fight for our civil rights, we would get the attention of those that dismiss us? Do you think that if instead of lambasting a pro 2a business owner that is apparently "connected" enough to have a ccw permit you attacked the hypocrites that are connected enough to have a CCW permit yet pass laws that prohibit us from getting them? Your efforts could be way more fruitful following a different line of advocacy. The fact that some have it is not a cause to add to the division among us. The progressives love that that they can cleve us apart with the simplest bait. We can agree to disagree but I do recommend that you consider a cogent argument other than "you're stupid". You have a legitimate gripe, our civil rights are being actively denied us. Your efforts are misapplied here amongst people that agree with you. Worse, picking a fight and debasing publically a leading 2a advocate only further our opponent's objectives.

I saw this today and it got me to thinking that we do fall into a jaded "the world sucks" kinda attitude. Seems like more lately. I think "they" want that. But everything in this article is life affirming and made me thank the universe for my life. http://nypost.com/2017/05/02/enough-with-the-outrage-we-live-in-an-age-of-miracles/

This is what it looks like, you just use a punch and knock your rear sight out and install this. Not sure what type of red dot you have or looking to buy this only works for the burris. I'm sure other manufactures make similar mounts. Probably can get it cheaper than Amazon link but has a good picture to give you idea how it works https://www.amazon.com/Burris-Fastfire-Mount-fits-Rugger/dp/B000UV3ZPG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1493855126&sr=8-5&keywords=burris+fastfire+iii+mount

I've never had an FFL charge me storage on a gun he sold me or one that i was having transferred. My mk3 hunter has the holes for the rail but i instead removed the rear sight and got a mounting plate for my burris fastfire 3 instead. Maybe this is an option for you?

Steve held multiple pistols for me and didn't charge me a dime Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Just like you, PM me for my cell number or my address and we can meet.

Remington jumping in.

I see both sides of the argument - Walt of Destiny thank you for confirming what we basically already know - Unfortunately citizens in free states are able to exercise their right to carry without hundreds of thousands of dollars invested, and decades of time before humbling upon an NJ powerbroker who will grease the wheel of a judge so to speak - I respect everyone who has done this 'process' who is not LEO to obtain their rights back, but this is precisely why I am on my way the fuck out of here - because if this is the accepted norm, and politically the climate or electorate is not changing (National Reciprocity? our legislature will have a LOL-fest, Crackhead Ryan and Cluck-U-Chicken McConnell can't even defund sanctuary cities who the fuck are they kidding) and we are stuck with same government that oppresses the freedoms of its citizens, its not something I'd want to donate years of my life and my future childrens college funds to get - especially when we are headed towards our own bastardized version of NY's unSAFE act next year if we are unlucky with the wrong Cory Booker sponsored gubernatorial candidate, and if we are really lucky, maybe we'll get another Christie (because we all see how reliable the GOP is in Washington) - after all that work, time, money, and dedication, it would really burn my ass to be restricted to 10 rounds for defense. And yet more states are going constitutional carry every year. NJ is moving backwards not forwards. I will make my farewell donation to Roubian's group as many of you know I am moving to NC, I'd rather continue to keep that state's rights active (as more move from liberal NY areas down there each year) instead of burying 10k plus in property taxes to wait for NJ to change, which as far as I know has been the better part of the last 3-4 decades or more. A good citizen can't even go purchase a pistol in this state without a 3 week process on the low end of obtaining a permission slip from Trenton (even more time if you use an SP barracks) and don't forget that Trenton gets another $15 back in their pocket for every purchase, so they are making money off of what little is left of gun rights in this state, which pisses me off even more. OK I'm done with my rant.

Quote: "I don't know you, but I know several NJ CCW permit holders, their stories are dramatized above. It's similar to PBA cards. I venture to say that many on here have a wallet full. Some of us have family member badges that get you out of almost any issue roadside. What's the difference? These "get out of jail free" cards are a uniquely NY/NJ thing". Correct, you don't know me or what I've done in support of the 2A Community over the years.....thanks Walt of Disney for your critique and suggestions......fantasy at best. So, if I donate some vests, guns, go to your meetings, spend some money and share my ideas with LE, They'll issue me a card....that's what your suggesting here ? That will get me my 2A Constitutional Rights here in NJ....really.....don't you feel just a little stupid yet ?

They were Sigs, not Glocks. -lol. -I also agree with your statements.

That is what I said - If he has not changed the FID nor the Driver's License they will both match even though they may both be in violation of state law depending how long ago the move was. When they are run they will match and not throw up a flag, even though they should have been renewed/replaced.

Serious surprise. Somewhere in the cobwebs of my mind I remember something about Dreyfus being a rational Hollywood type. I remember that the first merit badge you have to earn is the citizenship badge. Yet the scouts are demonized by progressives. We must remember that the progressives' tool is ignorance. First they removed civics, then American history. Some of the most widely read books of our youth are banned now and a large chunk of our history is being wiped out by the politically correct state which rivals the Islamic state in their absolute adherence to ideology and punishment of any variance in views. While we continue to fund our own demise via tuition payments to institutions that indoctrinate our youth, the progressives wait us out and on occasion use our honor, intelligence and loyalty against us. They hold their ranks to absolute obedience above all and truly believe in "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Feminists align with Muslims, Jews with divestment organizations and lgbtqxyz actually demonstrate for a religion that would have them stoned. During the cruise missile attack on Syria, they interviewed three sets of protestors, one for the bombing, saying that it wasn't enough, another against the bombing, and a third pro Palestine group. They were triametrically opposed in views, yet as the reporter stated, their only common ground was being anti-trump. How can we battle against that? We turn on our own at the slightest provocation. Progressives are adept at cleaving us apart. Look at the SA/RRA debacle and the discussion on this very forum over a vehement 2a proponent for not discussing his alleged NJ CCW permit. Do you EVER see anything like that amongst progressives? F'ing Shumer was supporting a radical anti-Jew Muslim for head of the DNC for god's sake. Luckily less radical heads prevailed. Until we learn the lesson of Ol' Ben we are doomed: "If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately."

Not too sure on the CZ DA, but the omega triggers I have played with, was not a fan. If you want something on the smaller side, don't be afraid to look at their polymer guns, the CZ P07 and the new P10c.

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Here's your recipe. 1) Get a bottle of whiskey 2) Drink the whiskey.

I'm now a huge Dreyfus fan. Thanks for posting and I signed the preamble.

Rebarreled one of my 16" .223 guns in 20" .224 Predator. It's a 6.5 Grendel necked down to .224. It uses a Grendel bolt and mags but you can load the 75gr ELD-M to mag length which is something you couldn't do with the AMAX in an AR15. That same bullet comes out of this barrel at over 3K fps and shoots like a laser. Out to 400, it's about one mil of drop. It also has basically zero recoil. Now my problem is to find the right medium power variable optic for it.

I have the 75 SP-01 in the safety model amd the 75 compact in decocker model. Love both guns but the SP-01 is my favorite gun that I own. Something about the steel instead of plastic like other guns, rock solid and makes me a better shooter than I really am. Whatever you choose you cant go wrong.

you are missing out. They are lots of fun. I would say how many I have but people are known rats so I don't like to give specifics