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If you are going to make the decision to carry a gun, carrying any less than every day is short sighted. That's true whether you are male or female. You can't make an appointment to get in a deadly force confrontation - if you could, instead of deciding to carry you should decide to stay home. Carrying is a lifestyle choice. I have a hard time getting this point through to my people with regards to off duty carry. You can't just carry at Christmas time, or only if you are going to Newark or Trenton*. You can just as easily get into it at the Wawa around the corner tomorrow night in the nicest part of the safest town in America. You are trained, you have the equipment, now you need the mindset. Be prepared. As an Instructor, I'll take women students over men all day long. They pay attention, they listen, there is no ego, they take criticism well, they make the suggested changes, they are all around better students. As for women only classes - I think that's a mistake. They don't make women only convenience stores, or women only food stores. As a women you are going to use your gun in the real world. Get used to it. No instructor worth his salt will tolerate any harassment, belittling, etc.. from anyone towards anyone. Yes, Vet your instructor and make sure they are teaching what you want to learn. Yes, by all means take classes at your level - beginner, advanced, whatever - but don't restrict yourself to classes based on gender. All of the quality instructors I have attended classes with refuse to do women only classes. They all also prefer to coach/teach women over men for the reasons I have stated above. Women shooters, on the whole, are growing in numbers, getting more involved in the shooting sports, the 2A movement, and the training world, and that is awesome. * That's not to say you shouldn't conduct informal threat assessments before traveling. You should absolutely be aware of your surroundings and have realistic expectations for the places you are traveling to - and then possibly make adult decisions to NOT go certain places based on your assessment.

We shouldn't capitulate to some random figure for our mags in exchange for our 2nd amendment. They aren't paying for mags, you know, they're paying for your subservience. That's a real slippery slope.

The Swiss are elitist assholes that will do anything for money - harbor criminals, bank money for terrorists, etc... But that is another topic.

All Czech’s should be issued the VZ58 for Homeland security.

Another sign the EU will implode. The EU is like the Democrats here, "we know better how you should do something", "it takes a village", "the government will protect you", "we must pass it so we can see what's in it", "you just don't know the entire situation like we do", etc. The EU will dissolve by 1s and 2s. The ones that stay in the longest are those with poor economies that depend on the wealthier nations to keep bailing them out.

There are ways to make sparklers do what you want. Just takes a little red neck ingenuity.

IMO, you should apply for the CCW and make them deny you. If something bad were to happen to you in the future, that having a firearm with you could have prevented, then you will have grounds to seek action against the government.

I know the topic of pros/cons of submitting a NJ permit to possess application knowing that rejection will certainly follow has been discussed ad nauseum, but I raise it again out of a sense of ever increasing frustration to see if there are any fresh ideas as to potential reasons to submit. As far as I can tell nothing has ever come of a concerted effort to file applications and I am quite familiar with the arguments against -- particularly the alleged potential problems created by having to report the denial on future FID or out of state CCW or other firearms applications. Our local Police chief -- who is not rabidly anti-gun as far as I can tell and runs a department that is relatively friendly and helpful when it comes to processing FID cards and pistol purchase permits -- has apparently said (I get this second hand) that he has talked to all the local Bergen county judges and all have clearly said they will never approve an application other than retired police and he doesn't want to waste his time, and also opined that a denial will create problems for future applications. Here are my thoughts as to reasons why to submit: 1. It is the right thing to do. It certainly will be futile, at least in the near term, but I feel that remaining silent and acquiescing is just wrong. If a town passed an ordinance that no new churches or synagogues could be built, and threatened anyone who filed for a building permit for a church with the inability to ever obtain a permit for their personal residence, would people just meekly go along? It is astounding that everyone swallows the absurd threat that a CCW denial based solely on the state's arbitrary and capricious justifiable need standard rather than any personal fault could ever be used for a future denial of another permit. I was just at a private Utah CCW class attended by successful, prominent people -- doctors, lawyers, business professionals -- and it struck me how absurd it is that we are all going through this ass backwards process of applying for a permit from Utah in the hope that national carry reciprocity will somehow help us here (and I seriously doubt that it will). Why don't we also speak up? Our rights are being trampled, we are cowed by literal threats from our local officials, and we all bend over and take. 2. It will make a statement, which just might have an impact. Will Loretta Weinberg or any of the other anti-gun politicians change their anti-gun views? No. But if enough people apply, if enough people make some noise, and if word gets out it may, over time, add one small point of leverage that could make a difference. I have no hope of an organized state wide effort developing, but I am very strongly considering applyinh on my own. I really am not concerned about any impact on future applications. Any thoughts, new or rehashed, would be welcome.

Me...I instruct for a living. Wife is into it. Need to bring her more. She has a Springfield XD Service 9mm Its what she liked and she shoots it well. My next step is GSSF match for her. With a GLOCK of course.

The only "women only" course I'm aware of is the "Women On Target" course I've seen advertised at the range I shoot at. It seems to be an introduction to firearms for beginners. I can only assume the "women only" nature of the course it to put the participants more at ease that they are around only other women and don't have to worry about male ego or testosterone.

I guess what I'm curious about is how many of you guys have significant others that AREN'T into shooting --- and: have you tried to woo them in? Or do you prefer that they're not into it (Hey maybe you prefer your "guy time" --- I don't judge that btw - everyone needs time without the SO) if you want them to join you in shooting, why? Just for fun, as something you can enjoy together? Or for safety --- because you want them to know (in an emergency) how to open the safe, protect the family, etc.? if you've begged and they've refused... why do you think that is? Do they just not want you bossing them around at the range? (LOL) Or do they just not see the value in guns at all? Just wondering...

All about the muuuuunnnnnay! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

That's an interesting perspective! The only class I took so far was "mixed" - which was fine by me. But I don't want to judge by my own personality - or my own limited experience. You clearly have a ton of expertise about shooting, and granted, I have none. But, my understanding of human nature makes me think this: some women clearly feel a little timid initially about getting into shooting. If a "women only" beginner-level class - or a women's shooting club - helps get their feet in the door, gets them acclimated to the range environment and feeling more comfortable, and emboldens them to continue on their journey solo and in regular mixed classes... I just don't understand why you think that's such a bad thing! I mean, everyone's different... right? Some women, I think, really prefer (or even need) that softer entry into the shooting sports. Why should they be denied that?

But they do use the FBI, They just prefer to make the call to the FBI on behalf of the FFL. This, of course, to enforce State firearms laws (most likely, OGAM in NJ's case). Ah, the joys of being a "POC" (Point Of Contact) state. FL is also a POC state as well, via the FDLE. In FL (as opposed to NJ with the NJSP), patrol and investigative divisions at the state level are separate. The FHP does the patrol, and the FDLE does the detective/investigative work.

Cmon now. They still do. We call the state, then the state calls them. A pillar of efficiency.....

Another reason why not using the FBI for NICS is effing stupid.

Sounds like they are legal as long as they don't go BANG. The same rules will likely apply to our guns soon in this stupid state!

I know we've got many co-sponsors. And I try to avoid the negative comments But we finally have a chance to fix our broken firearm laws in the country and make them more uniform across the board and our leaders simply aren't doing it! I try to remain patient but I can understand the dismay. Those of us in the PRNJ have been looking forward to catching a break for so long now. That it finally being attainable; Us once more getting our rights back is just within reach, but with a total lack of motion after original introduction. These things have a time limit on them. 2018 is right around the corner and the concern now should be If this isn't enacted before then. Will we have the votes needed to pass it, or will the fascist left once again hold some kind of majority and hope is once again lost, where we're told to vote again in so-many years down the road for them to be put into office once again only to fall short on deadlines again. Peruta was another case that could of helped up, most of us in PRNJ got our hopes up that the SCOTUS would hear the case and with Gorsuch on bench we'd be able to pull the votes needed for a foundational shake-up of states laws in regards to the 2nd amendment. But once again we were let down. Point is these politicans need to get off their ass and fix this NOW if they are truly serious about it and secondly to remember that those of us who may laugh at others saying things are gonna change by (insert date here) have remembered the multiple times we've been let down in the past. I've honestly given up on the Peoples Republic of New Jersey. Even if tomorrow I could Carry in this state (be it open or concealed) I'm out of here as fast as I can manage.

I was in tanners in PA and a woman walked in pushing a stroller and asked to see the newest carry pieces they had to offer. As a Jersian who has carried out of state it was a very sombering moment how we really have no rights here Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

There's plenty of studies and polls showing that women get into guns more for "protection" than sport or hunting. I just posted an article about that earlier today. Here's another one (though from a few years back, so numbers have probably skewed higher already). https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2013/0214/Why-gun-ownership-among-US-women-is-climbing Here's the money quote IMO: But personal safety is the overriding reason women become interested in guns, at least initially, experts agree. “Women typically own guns for safety reasons, then branch out to target shooting and hunting,” says NRA spokeswoman Stephanie Samford. “Men, on the other hand, get into guns for hunting. Safety is a secondary concern.” Paxton Quigley, the author of women’s self-defense and gun books, says broad lifestyle changes – women waiting longer to get married, choosing to live alone, and more often serving as head of household – coincides with women’s rising interest in guns. “There is a different attitude now, that women need to take responsibility for their own safety,” she says. That part in boldface... that's always been my theory of why women are getting more into shooting. Demographics are changing. Single women are statistically much more likely than single men to buy a single-family home for instance... well, if you're going to buy your own castle, why wouldn't you protect it?... and its inhabitants? And women know that if someone breaks into their house, it's most likely going to be a guy --- bigger, taller, heavier, stronger. You're physically outmatched. That's just harsh reality. A woman's experience/attitude about personal security is COMPLETELY different than a guy's! If I (or any of my girlfriend's) are leaving the mall late at night, we are keenly aware if there's a rundown old van parked RIGHT next to our car. Wheels in the brain are spinning, we're calculating risk, figuring how best to approach the situation, etc. And hell, I'm a lifelong risk-taker, and even I'm leery of that situation! Most guys I know wouldn't think TWICE --- they wouldn't even notice the van any more than a motorcycle. Another example... the first thing my single girlfriends do when they move into a new house? New locks and motion detector lights! My single guy friends --- it wouldn't even occur to them! They are either more confident that they won't get jumped - or - if they did, that they could fend off an attacker. Yeah, you're wrong on your loose statistic. Even 3 or 4 years ago, apparently 15% of gun owners were women. Not a huge number, but a lot bigger than 4% --- and it's probably even higher now. 1) For god's sake, we even go to the bathroom in packs! Women are social creatures. 2) Ranges are still testosterone-filled places that some women might find intimidating... a woman in a range is greatly outnumbered. A chicks class is probably more comfortable for many. 3) On a practical note, for places like Pennsylvania with concealed carry, how utterly ridiculous does a male instructor look "demonstrating" a concealed carry purse to the students?... or worse yet, one of those bra holsters?! LOL.

Why are their dedicated women's only classes? Is it because most people seeking actually training are men?* *devils advocate Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

You forgot @Sandy and @shizzoizzo7

I feel like this is going to be a male dominated thread from the get go. The shooting industry and people into firearms in general are 96% male. Most women that are into shooting got into it from their dad or husband. Yes that is a loose made up statistic. This isn't to say anything negative about women! Most ladies who shoot a gun usually do better off the bat it seems. Wether that is due to genealogy or just pure adrenaline is up to people way smarter than me to interpret. As to the market in general their is about a million more products geared to the fudds, neck beards and keyboard commandos than their are towards women Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Also purple is gender neutral Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Doesn't make them dumb

The Swiss aren't in the EU

Let's be realistic. This is mainly a man's past time. MOST women get into guns via their male counterpart, whether it's her husband or boyfriend or father or brother. It's a fact. What more can the gun community do for females? There just isn't a large enough market for them.

Those Silencerco range finders are sweet. 1/2 price at brownells right now too!

"Critics argue the changes will never take effect as European Union directives overrule the proposed legislation." 1) How is the EU going to enforce anything like this in the Czech Republic? 2) Czechxit!

I've been trying to convince the groups to do a mass application for years. Skewing the rejection statistics wildly and then throwing cameras in the local assemblymen/senator's faces would definitely cause a ruckus and force them to confront the issue. Especially if the racial angle is invoked as the Inner cities categorically deny citizens from even applying (NJ2AS has had several videos showing this)

I heard the book was pretty thin - something about "French War Heroes."

You said taint...

^^^^ you 2 I'm curious how or why you thrive in our setbacks. Do you think residents of these " free states" you long to move to share your attitude? if you move, you will surely taint the water... Ponder that, mirror time that, introspect that.

haha...not falling fot that trick...then its another $2k to fill them!

Sooner

You can search. Had local chief sign off, Made it NJ superior court. used the transport angle

You can't sue the gov't....ie. Judges are exempt from being sued. Another i.e..this new bail reform a judge lets a criminal out; criminal goes and commits a murder; victims family cannot sue the judge who released the criminal.

I guess you're a "LIKE" Whore too, lol! j/k

Summabitch, that was a point I was gonna make done the road. And I'm out of likes

I have raised this point before...flood the judges with requests...a denial, seriously? getting a denial in NJ? Everyone know the impossibilities. Getting denied for another P2P in our own state because you were denied a CCW? You pass the mental health check, the criminal background check, it's left to the local PD to issue the P2P, he already knows why you didn't get the CCW permit. If any one ever asks why you were denied, tell them the truth, your life and the safety of your family has no value in NJ. NJ prefers to keep everyone a victim! I'm sure they'll understand...LOL.

To be honest. The 2nd amendment should be enough. If the court rejects it, they reject the constitution....

It makes the shitty-looking parts of the gun look more like that of an MP5. A lot fewer random lines and bumps all over the gun that had to be added after the lawsuit. I think the parts kit is from their pre-lawsuit run. Edit: From what I remember when I did my conversion...cosmetic changes are: Trigger group housing Cocking tube/front sight Cocking handle Fire selector switch I forget if the paddle mag release was already part of the original GSG Kit I got had parts for the MP5K variant too - obviously they won't fit this gun. It was a bit of work to get it all installed, but the looks are so much better than mine was from the factory. And if I didn't mention it before, get a buffer of some kind for the cocking tube - easy to do when you're already disassembling it anyway (though some may not even require disassembly to install). http://malice4you.com/images/realsteel/gsg522sd.jpg - full-res version http://media.server.theshootingwarehouse.com/hires/62306.png - quick image I found to compare.

here's my NJ legal M4 with field stock...