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I totally appreciate your point. And yet... DC didn't appeal when they lost their "justifiable need"-type case. Why? Because they were afraid they might lose --- and they were probably under extreme pressure from anti-2A types in states like ours where the implications of that case would have been huge. It's time to bring a case challenging justifiable need in my opinion. We don't need to wait for someone's personal messy "circumstance" to bring that case. It's time. It's overdue. It's an inherently biased law that defies the Bill of Rights. Same thing with permitting. 30 days is 30 days. It's prescribed by law. Most NJ police dept's don't meet it. In fact, some make a mockery of it (particularly our state police barracks I'm sorry to say). There's no reason on god's green earth why one police department needs 6 months to do what another accomplishes in a week. It's complete B.S. and an abuse of the citizenry. And same thing with these new proposals to ban certain types of guns or magazines. Why wait for someone to have a messy DV or HD situation? If you're outlawing popular firearms for NJ that are in common use around the country - you're essentially taking away legally purchased property - OR - you're turning people into automatic felons --- all in DIRECT opposition to the Bill of Rights. It should be challenged. Period. The ONE advantage the 2A cause has on it's side is PASSION. Honestly, if you saw one of our groups getting really smart, competent lawyers bringing lawsuit after lawsuit - diligently and steadily - wouldn't you reach into your pocket and give regular donations? Oh hell, I know I would! (I'd take on extra projects to make it possible). This state is already nearly busted -- how many lawsuits do you think they really want to defend themselves against? And god willing (I pray for this!) - Trump gets more appointments to our district court and a couple more SCOTUS app'ts - well shit, that's ALL a game-changer. We already have a couple of presumably pro-2A judges ASKING "why aren't we taking on a 2A case?". That is ALL in our favor. My only concern is this: can Trump keep his mouth shut long enough not to get himself impeached?... or to swing the Congress back to Dems in the mid-terms? For the love of god, please let him last long enough to make enough appointments to create a favorable audience for any pro-2A NJ lawsuits!

The AR is absolutely a viable tool for HD. That’s my primary HD gun. Superior ballistics Better chance of hitting what I want Projectiles loose energy faster after coming into contact with typical US building construction Your safe backstop is your threat - the bad guy. If you miss, it doesn’t matter what it is, it will penetrate interior and exterior walls. What matters is how fast is loses velocity and mass. .223/5.56 loses energy and mass faster that pistol or shotgun rounds so your missed lose the ability to seriously injure or kill sooner. Combine better terminal effects for hits, worse terminal effects for misses, and it’s an easier weapon to shoot and get hits on target. This all points to the AR as a gun that is absolutely appropriate for HD, and in my opinion the superior choice.

This is a case where the District Attorney and/or the Prosecutors office did NOT want this case to be seen nationally, so they folded. The NRA saved this man's life.

True... but I am allowed to have standard capacity mags.

You can get an expanding foam specifically made for filling rodent entry points. It has something in it to prevent them from chewing it. Works allot better than steel wool. Home depot sells it, it's in a green can. Plug up the entry points, trap the ones inside and make sure there is no access to food or water in your home.

I get the feeling that this video was not made to help NJ, but rather to use us as an example of what can happen when you don't support the NRA, and National Reciprocity.

i disagree. there is plenty they could do should they really want to. they could start with lawsuits and injunctions the very moment each one of these highly illegal bills are passed.

Well, yes, I guess armed revolution could work. But I would be careful discussing it in a public forum.

Courts are the only hope. Just in this thread you can see people worrying about protecting their own. "My revolvers are safe? Whew! I'm against new laws but as long as I'm good I likely won't do much more". Until the courts hopefully save NJ from the Communists everyone who doesn't have an AR should buy one ASAP. With at least 15 round mags. The more who do the harder it will be to enforce a ban. I voted, and I have never voted for a Communist Democrat who wants to destroy the American way of life. All Democrats are Communists because at the end of the day they tow the party line. Anyone who voted Dem pat yourselves on the back and let the rest of us know how you aren't a single issue voter which in reality means you can give two shits about the Second Amendment. As long as your over under shotguns and drillings are safe, or you are able to legally smoke weed. Legalizing Marijuana is a trap being set by your caring Democrat representatives to take away your 2A Rights. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Mrs Peel, I agree with your thinking. There is no way we are going to preserve the few 2A rights we still have once Murphy gets in office with full Democratic control of both houses. He is going to push this to the very edge and due to ego, push farther to make "his" state with the toughest gun laws. That said, we should follow the "California model" and file lawsuits for the most serious restrictions (mag limits, semi auto bans, required training, etc.) This will put them on notice that we mean business. File appeal to the circuit courts and perhaps it will stop there. If not, SCOTUS will be our only saving grace as the idiots in Trenton are trying to eliminate weapons in "commonly used" for sporting purposes - something that was already ruled thus setting precedent.

But the Marlin being re-released in .357 is awesome. It would be awesome if the mods could help keep threads on track as opposed to contributing to the problem.

I'll say it again: lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits... with appeals all the way to SCOTUS. At this point, everything else (marching, appealing to reason, etc.) is rendered pretty much meaningless. And when 1 or more 2A organizations file strategic, well thought out cases - with the i's dotted and t's crossed (as best as we non-lawyers can assess anyway) - it will be incumbent on the rest of us to recognize that lawsuits are long, labor-intensive things that COST a bloody fortune. So, as long as they step out smartly on the legal front (and I believe they will - this is a much different situation now as I'm sure these organizations realize), it will be incumbent on us to uncomplainingly, unflinchingly start making regular donations. Because this won't be a cheap process... but it will be a necessary one.

Again, they are posturing, so when they don't ban Garand rifles, they will be claiming how "reasonable" and compromising they are being and they did us a big huge favor for which they want us to suck their dicks. Two steps back, one step forward is still going backwards, until there is no more room to move back. Eventually we will be so far back, our backs will be against a wall.

The important thing is how it self identifies...

Hopefully the quarter million dollar man at ANJRPC doesn't sell us out and say it could have been worse. Additionally, it's not a compromise when you get nothing in return. What say you, @gunforhire? P.S. I have cold weather gear and a shitton of sick days. I'm ready to march.

Organizations like the NRA are stupid and short-sighted if they think these crazy laws are just going to stay in places like New Jersey and California. As residents leave these states and move elsewhere as well as other demographic shifts Nationwide what they consider to be quote free states quote can just as easily end up having the same kind of b******* laws in only a few years. They really need to to start realizing this and take action

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Hmmn. Well that’s interesting. like storm windows on the inside

I run both esstac and HSGI products at work. Would recommend any of their products

I wouldn't make any sweeping judgements from ANJRPC's website. Most non-profits in general are notoriously bad with their communications programs - it's often non-existent or at least lagging badly. Alternatively, some that communicate the most are just wingnuts communicating a bunch of blathering B.S. -- unfortunately, most of the time you can't accurately judge performance from websites, social media pages, etc. You really have to show up at a meeting or two, ask questions, assess and judge for yourself I think.

I have the ESSTac cards. They work well. HSGI also work well. Fuck John Willis and SOE. He’s a crook and asshole.

Standard capacity = correct term

Mouses no more there will be.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. Internet sales will go away too so it won't be an issue.

My mistake, read it on my phone and thought it was under the rifle section.

Not for nothin, but when observed from 50,000 feet. This state, it's voting majority, and most of all it's ingrained culture are self destructive. What does it take, for a state that is consistently on the list of the highest taxes, greatest number of folks leaving, most corrupt, worst business climate, highest cost of living(You get the point. We're always on the shit end of the stick) to change? Knowing that the state is headed for default, our neighbors elected the one person in the race that would guarantee higher taxes, higher cost of living an accelerated exodus of tax payers, and significantly worse living conditions. This is not simply stupidity, it's cultural decay to the point of self inflicted harm. In order to make any headway in the 2A struggle, we would have to first overcome that cultural rot. Lawsuits are only effective as far as the results can be enforced. The state has made a habit of ignoring the constitution so far, I doubt a court decision, or new federal law would make a difference. Unless and until the entrench culture can be changed, nothing else will change here. It's not just the egregious violations of the 2nd. Look at the promises made by Murphy. Sanctuary status, tax increases, no cap on salary increases, free tuition. This is recipe for disaster. The cost of everything is going up in a state where it's already unreasonably high. IMHO, the intentional violations of the 2nd are merely another symptom of a diseased and irreparably corrupt mindset. There has never been a sense that change is needed, the acceptance of outright corruption has become automatic, and shows no signs of changing. My fear is the the only thing that will bring about change will be a complete collapse. Even the judiciary couldn't care less about the constitution when it comes to the 2A. Unless you can manage to win thousands and thousands of law suits, that would cost the tax payers of the state hundreds of millions of dollars and potentially bankrupt the state, nothing is going to change. There is not cost to the tax payers that is too great for our leftist government to bear when it comes to forcing their demented ideology on us. Sorry to be a downer, but the writing is on the wall, the people have spoken and have demanded a huge lurch to the left.

Pros will put out poison. It will get rid of the mice, but they will die in your walls and stink for a month till the little carcasses dry out. Search your foundatin and find out where they get in. You need to seal every tiny crack. Jam steel wool in any holes you find.

of course it was. same old shit that they always do. which is why they get nothing more than my membership fees. i've said it repeatedly.....when i see actual action from them in this state i will happily donate more.

I'm saying that if the people want a different outcome then make it happen. Civil disobedience doesn't have to be violent

Everyone said the Tac-14 and Shockwave would be illegal. It's a short barreled shotgun, it's an assault weapon, it's scary. Can't be legal. EVERYONE said this Then they became legal

I would never destroy any of my historic milsurp rifles to bow down and conform to the masters. Their new bill would allow the G/K43 that I originally added by mistake, but they would expect the bayonet mount to be removed from the G41 or one could potentially be felon under their new unconstitutional laws. Maybe the collecting angle would be good grounds for the courts to throw the entire law out. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I love Shaneen Allen! She is giving back to our 2A community in a huge way!

Oh that's correct. Already Pardoned. Brian Aitken wasn't - his sentence was just commuted.

"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." -In the Continental Congress just before signing the Declaration of Independence, 1776.

Zeke, 30% of the state voting population showed up. Of that total, there are 800K more democrats registered than republicans. You can bet you ass they are free shit army folks in the crime infested cities. In fact, look at Hudson County! Its a total shit show and they went for Murphy by close to 80%. YES, there are those who shoot and do not vote. There are also those who shoot and vote for the liberal democrats. You can point to the 30% turnout and say many shooters did not vote but it simply does not support a Republican victory. Kim was damaged goods due to Christie and was an underfunded, low energy candidate. Ass wipe Murphy straight up bought the election county by county. It was in the bag well before the 2A crowd got to the polls.

AR for home defense is not an optimal choice by a long stretch

Its like buying a snowblower, wont snow again for 2-3 years.

Ive got the exact gun in 45-70... Really fun to shoot. Il bring it for you all to play with to a forum range day if we ever organize one.

I hate to sound cynical, but we can march all we want, and we can try to reason with them. But they are just going to ignore us and pass a ton of anti-2A laws, and smugly pat themselves on the back for being "tough on guns."

Let’s transcribe that. 30% is 30% all day long

Since when did the antis recognize the difference between magazines and clips?

LEO's wont be going door to door to make sure you turn in your newly illegal items. If something happens in your residence and your weapons come under scrutiny, the prosecutor WILL seek to prosecute the charges against you. This is how they continue to pass these laws and let them blow over without anyone really raising a defense. They have time on their side, disarmament wont be instant but over generations.

Maybe there's a lesson in there... for every single one of these ridiculous cases in NJ (or NY, CA, etc.)... immediate coordination with the NRA should take place and they should begin the PR machine rolling. I'm pleased to see the results in this case - as a dues paying member, I'd be really happy to see it happen even more. Yeah, yeah, I know... it would be nice if we didn't have these crazy laws at all. But in the meantime, there needs to be firm pushback against these overzealous, frothing at the mouth, anti-2A prosecutors. Enough is enough!

Tagged. Waiting for the anti-NRA assholes to post here.

IMO YouTube videos are good for reference and entertainment, but I agree with the folks who say that they're no substitute for actually going out and getting live instruction. I think that extends to any other sport or hobby as well.

Thanks for all the advice, information and offers to help. My wife called PSEG yesterday. They could be out today to install an AO Smith...for about $2300. Told them no thank you. Have a company that will install a Bradford White coming tomorrow to give estimate. They can install same day if I like quote. They said ballpark install is around $1500 which is more in line with what was quoted in thread. Thanks for offers to buy at costs at suppliers but the place coming tomorrow refused to install a WH that home owner purchased. It's their policy. If it were summer and I had a few days I would have taken up offer to buy from one of your supplier houses and tried to install myself. But It's winter, Don't have time. And wife and our girls would like hot water sooner rather than later. I Don't blame them. I washed my hair yesterday and the cold water numbed my scalp it was so cold!

You've been schooled lol. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk They're only good for 7-10 years. Beyond that, they're a ticking time bomb. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk