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Well, it's been argued that DC didn't appeal it's last big 2A case (Wrenn) because they thought they might lose --- and were likely under pressure from similar states where those reverberations would be felt. I tend to agree. Whatever name it goes by ("justifiable need" in NJ's case) our state and a handful of others are, in fact, CHOOSING who gets to be "full" citizens and who will be "lesser" in terms of exercising their constitutional rights. It's total B.S. to my non-lawyer eyes at least - and not what the framers had in mind AT ALL. I agree... the lawsuit has a compelling argument. My biggest 2 concerns now are: 1) Trump himself... his behavior, inexperience, big yap, tweets, all leading to his potential to be impeached... and 2) simply the unknown element of timing... meaning will he get the opportunity to complete one or more impactful SCOTUS replacement(s) PRIOR to the mid-terms (because post-mid-terms, everything likely gets infinitely harder for him to accomplish). Clock's running. Tick-tock. I'm a decent person - so I refuse to wish for the demise of any SCOTUS judge... I'll pray for some retirements instead.

Ping Pong in the basement sounds pretty fun to me.

I wanna shoot clays with @Gunsrlegaland @tattooo

Ah, so you are convinced the Dems will take back control of the House or Senate! I am remaining hopeful that will not happen and that the way the Dems have been acting and blocking everything Trump does will actually help us in the mid-terms.

And den? And den? And den?

Looks like the forecast I see is for PM snow - AM should be fine. Will call it if it's really crappy out though.

Clinton WMA 2/4? 9AM?

I'm in, though I never shot clays. I may be best working with @Mrs. Peel on the throwers. FWIW, I'm north, but I travel well. :-)

Now that I know someone who actually has one, I will order one for myself! Thanks Ray!

@JohnnyB, great scope. I gots one.

My low end, longish-range AR build. Magpul PRS and MOE grip, Spikes NJGF lower, Daytona Tactical 20" AR upper, NCStar 3-9X Mark III scope. Unfired as of yet.

That 5-round bill is a ruse. It will be waved-around; saying "see-it could be worse!" ...as they jam the 10-round bill down our throats.

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Pay check smiles happen in February.. im on your page

Trump will not get impeached. I haven't checked the House scenario still but even the Liberals know the Republicans will gain seats in the Senate. Even if Dems control the house the most they could do is draw articles of impeachment. The Senate does the actual impeaching. Not going to happen. As for Supreme Court Justices only the Senate deals with confirmation. Both SCOTUS and Trump are safe for the next 3 years. You can take that to the bank. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Well I want to say Vortex warranty is no joke. They sent me a new sparc 2 no questions asked. Great customer service.

I don't know all the scientific mumbo-jumbo in this article... but I do know that a Super Blue Blood Moon sounds rather delightfully wicked! I like it. Here's the article which has a link to show best viewing areas. Unfortunately, we on the east coast will not get the best show... only a partial eclipse. But still, it's an unusual mix of natural phenomena - a supermoon, blue moon and lunar eclipse all happening at once: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/dont-miss-the-first-super-blue-blood-moon-since-1866/ar-BBIo6wx?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

No And den!! Picking up a VP9 this week when I get back.

Face the weather with us... sheesh

I believe Gunsrlegal committed to attending in the original thread before it was hij..... moved.

.....how about the Flu.

Heller and McDonald only dealt with ownership. However this lawsuit is genius. They are arguing that the judiciary is deciding a constitutional right on a case by case basis. This is a new angle. Being some permits have been issued to the elite the judiciary is saying they have a 2A right to keep and bear arms outside the home but others don't. Heller says that constitutional rights cannot be selectively applied and McDonald clarified that Heller applies to the States. NJ maybe screwed by it's own system. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I'm also searching the best gun safe under 1000 VAULTEK VT20i is what I'm considering getting. It offers multiple ways to get opened, very secure and can be mounted or tethered. Thanks for your suggestions!

The 1301 is an animal of a shotgun. Compared to inertia driven guns, I find it softer shooting. That coupled with the fact that it has the "blink" gas system, 0.14 second splits is easy to obtain and you won't outrun the gun. It's a little more maintenance, at the 10k round mark you should replace your hammer struts as they are a weak point It never fails me though, and boy does it run (mine is the comp, not tactical) PS it seems they downgraded the shell catch to eliminate the feature where a precise bump would release shells. Be aware that the 2 piece shell catch that allowed this, is awesome. It makes the gun much faster to load and also makes tube unloading a breeze.

You are all missing the point. It's not a caliber or platform debate, it's a political statement.

http://www.forkly.com/food/the-25-absolute-best-recipes-to-try-in-an-instant-pot/ http://www.delish.com/cooking/g3951/instant-pot-recipes/?slide=7

Instant pot is amazing. You can make food in a fraction of the time it takes to make it in the oven or slow cooker. I've made soups, macaroni and cheese, cakes, hard boiled eggs, pot roasts, whole turkey breasts, whole chickens, the list goes on. Bone broth. I save the chicken bones from meals and freeze them. Then I use the instant pot to make bone broth in 3 hours rather than the 24 hours I used to make it in the slow cooker. The food remains very moist and the cleanup is simple. Greatest kitchen gadget I've ever bought.

I'm in

^^ this is true. I am pretty sure you live close to me so we need to go get a beer one of these days anyway.

We recently got the Instant Pot DUO60 6 quart, scored a one day deal on Amazon for $69.99. Only cooked with it a handful of times but its pretty easy to use, cooks everything quick and cleans up quick. One of the great things about are facebook groups and endless Youtube videos dedicated to the IP and all the different recipes.

Curious to hear why you don’t want a RDS? The Strike Eagle 1-6 is an excellent value. I know it’s not 1-8 but the Steiner 1-4 is amazing for the money at around $500. You are going to pay for a quality 1-8.

U suck, but your dad's cool. Tell him happy birthday.

That’s my Dad’s BDay and we are spending the day with him. Before anyone says it, he is not a shooter and his idea winter sports is playing Ping-Pong in the basement, so bringing him is out of the question. Have fun everyone! Shoot straight.

I have some buttons...

It's an FU to Putin and a hello to President Trump.

Just watched it. Good job at addressing the MSM propaganda and the honestly erroneous preconceptions that many non gun owners have.

I'm broke and can't afford any more t-shirts but i have been saving pennies since the last run, I now have $4000 in pennies to spend on njgf swag.... Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Okay folks. Time to get down to brass tickey tacks. With just 6 days to go we are starting to solidify this gig. There will be a group shooting something on Sunday. The question now is are you in or out and where do you prefer to shoot. North - Clinton WMA Clays only Sorta Central - Range 14 at Ft Dix Skeet Trap Rifle and Pistol South - Stafford WMA Clays only The problem with Ft Dix is I'm the only member who's in right now. We'd need at least one more R-14 member to do Dix. Otherwise, we are looking at Clinton, which is too far north for the southerners. Or Stafford, which is too far south for the northerners. At this point, just say if you are in (or interested) and whether you are north or south of the Raritan. We'll figure out the rest later.

So I should ditch my magpul drum? To me that’s pretty standard. Load once, go to range, empty, smile, go home and drink beer.

Link to Review "Here is a rare thing in the 1-8 scope world: an affordable one. While the market is well served by premium high end 1-8’s, there aren’t all that many that only cost a couple hundred bucks. Fortunately, Visionking brings one to the shooting market with this modestly priced and functional scope. With the usual features you’d expect from a scope like multi-coated optics, water and fog proof construction, and even a red illuminated center reticle, this is a pretty rock solid scope for the money. While it claims to be a first focal plane scope, I’d take that with a bit of a grain of salt. However, these imported scopes can be very solid, and I have more inexpensive Chinese scopes on my rifles than I’d normally care to admit. If you need a basic 1-8 without spending the price of a used car, this is your scope." Primary Arms 1-8x Scope Primary Arms 1-8 X 24mm Scope ACSS BDC Illuminated Reticle PA1-8X24SFP-ACSS-5.56 Price: $389.99

Nick, Thank you for the link to the NJGF store..........Now WHERE ARE THE T-SHIRTS!

Here’s my other opinion on N.J. real estate, it’s a professional one, but take it for what you’re paying for it. NJ will lead the high tax state in negative HPA (home price appreciation); prices will go down. If you’re a short term owner you may see it a bit, if you’re a long hauler than who cares. State and local tax deductions are more valuable in NJ, on a complete state basis, then any of the other competitors. Our incomes tax is second only to CA, and our property tax is second to none. If Sweeney should allow a vote on the top tax rate, ill named millionaire’s tax, we will pass California in income tax. Recently Moody’s and Bloomberg have published articles that support my view Between Murphy polling well and Trump’s tax strategy, I sold my house a bit earlier than expected. And I did that because my time horizon would’ve been March. I didn’t want to deal with short term volatility in home prices and I wanted to be homesteader in FL for 2018 for income tax purposes.

I tend to disagree - it was a statement of intention - an opening salvo, if you will. Though it may have been done, in part, to virtue signal to the Bloomberg crowd... they're ALSO saying that a constitutional right that has been made NEARLY impossible to exercise in this state will now be ABSOLUTELY impossible. I think it's an outrage - as they all stand up there with their own CC permits and or armed security. It's offensive.

Steel challenge at CJ, as long as the weather is ok I'll be there and youze guys should be too.

I have the Contour 5.5". I put about 750rds thru it. As long as I keep it clean it runs great. It will start to have feed and extraction issues if I let it get too dirty, usually around 350rds. I also had a red dot mounted on it, a Burris FFIII, I since have removed it and just went back to using the stock sights. I run Remington Golden Bullet 36gr HP exclusively. Accurate and fun. My wife has the Buckmark Micro 4". About 1200rds thru it with zero issues.

Yep... lawsuits must be the focus in this Murphy era, no doubt. I've been thinking and saying that for several months now... and to know that those plans are afoot is great news. That said, I never completely discount the impact of voters contacting their representatives' offices, especially when they're unhappy about something... and especially if we could summon a tidal wave of calls. The "one-two punch" of facing lawsuits on the one hand and riled up voters on the other could be enough to give more moderate legislators some pause - and make them think, "uh-oh...what hornet's nest has Murphy stirred up for us here?" (Especially if those voters are saying: this has inspired me to campaign for/contribute to your future opponent! ...and similar sentiments.) Besides, if nothing else... you tie up the time of their staffers, LOL. So, if these various 2A orgs begin filing suits and then issue a call to action to "start calling your legislators" - I think it's a strategic error to dismiss it out of hand! We'll need to leverage EVERY tool in our arsenal, not just one! Lawsuits, donations, phone/calls & letters, ongoing recruitment to the shooting sports - it's all necessary.

There would be no need for insurance if there was tort reform but the blood sucking lawyers would never allow that. Being that many legislators are attorneys tort reform is hardly even spoken of anymore. Some states at least have loser pays laws. This helps to limit frivolous lawsuits. Especially the fake injury and disability claims. Most importantly if there weren't so many scumbags looking for a payday from an injury, usually caused by their own stupidity, insurance rates would be lower. In today's day and age we should also be able to eliminate insurance agents. Most people could just as easily plug numbers into a system like they do and buy their insurance direct. That would save minimum 10% right there.

You mean we should call and tell them no compromises... go for 3 rounds or less? I say instead of trying to stop them, encourage them to go full on absolute fucking retarded.

I know that TTC has been given glowing accolades on this board, as evidenced by the separate long thread on here that sings its praises. Had my experience there been the same, I wouldn’t be writing this. First, the back story: Back in May or June I read a post on another firearms site, from a young man from Denmark. He was planning a vacation to the US for August and the purpose of his post was that, while here, he wished to experience shooting a .50 BMG rifle. It just so happens that one of our board members (Golf Battery – sorry for outing you Ed) has a Barrett in .50 BMG. I contacted him and he was amenable to letting our Danish friend shoot a couple rounds. It is problematic to find a range that allows the use of a .50 BMG rifle, but I recalled that TTC touted that very fact on their website… …and is one of the very few N.J. firearms ranges that can accommodate a 50 caliber BMG! So I replied to the post that we could grant his desire. We kept in touch in the intervening months. He arrived as expected and we decided on last night (8/23) as the time. The three of us (plus his hosts, who had to chauffeur him around) arranged to meet at TTC. The day before I decided that someone walking in with a .50 Cal Barrett probably wasn’t an everyday occurrence, so as a courtesy, I e-mailed them to insure that what we intended met with their approval. I asked that I be contacted ASAP if there was a problem. No response was forthcoming. Independently, Ed had the same thoughts and called them. He got an answer in the affirmative. Our Danish guest, Nick, also called and was not told that this was disallowed.. It wasn’t until it our guest was actually on the way to the facility, that Ed got a phone call telling him that .50 BMG was verboten on their range. Too late to stop Nick, so Ed and I went to the range to meet Nick and hopefully, talk TTC into allowing us to just put a couple rounds down range. As has been oft repeated in the other TTC thread, it is an impressive facility – not my taste, but facilities like this are needed to bring more people to the sport. The staff was very accommodating, until they found out why we were there. While they weren’t impolite or rude, the atmosphere did turn decidedly chilly. There was no acquiescence on their part and Nick left disappointed. Their range, their rules, but what I found particularly abhorrent about the whole situation, was TTC touting their ability to handle .50 BMG as a selling point for the range, being contacted several times in advance with no negative feedback on our intentions – until it was too late, – and then a refusal to even consider it. Not to mention how it made us look to our guest, and I’m not talking personally, I mean as the US shooting community. Coming from a country with laws even more draconian than NJ, I guess Nick’s expectations were pretty low on this ever happening, but he was visibly disappointed. I contacted TTC and requested that they remove the passage about .50 BMG from their site, or, at the very least specify that while the backstop could handle it, actually shooting a .50 BMG at their range was prohibited. A black eye for us all the way around. Adios, Pizza Bob