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That term is a lie put out by the leftie liberals. Its a farce to encite other lefty liberals to justify their emotional irrational cause.

Such a beautiful piece. I’m honored to own one. The trigger really is as nice as I’ve heard. The bluing is a mile deep. The grips and assorted small parts all seem original to the gun. No box/papers but it does have the letter from Colt’s archives. Built late ‘71 or very early ‘72. Shipped in Feb ‘72 to a dealer in NYC. I am the third owner. It’s had a very easy life. Maybe a few hundred rounds thru it. I plan on adding a few to that number. No too many, but a few.

Aren't you the same one who was asking about going to another state and buying long gun there without NJ FPID ? Let me repeat the response again. Law abiding citizens follow State and Federal Laws. Criminals don't. There is no loophole. Criminals don't drive all the way to some gun show to take advantage of a non-existing "loophole". They can buy stuff they want at the corner in Newark or Camden, no problem. And you can thank Democrats for that situation.

So, as promised I am giving you my follow-up report. I was dressed in Business attire on my way home from work and stopped by my local PD. I was greeted by a friendly woman and told her I would like an application for a concealed carry permit. Her smile washed away and the questions started. Are you a ret LEO- me No Are you a a Jeweler-me No Are you a security blah blah blah- me No Her- we NEVER have given an approval here ever. Me- That's ok. Here's the app and it must include specific photos, filled out and signed in front of a notary, along with $50 app fee and you must use XYZ for fingerprints More $. Her-But I told you no one has ever been approved. I said thank you, see you in a few days. My take is this is a cultural thing with these people and how DARE you challenge us....I'll be back. I expect to be part of every lawsuit that happens. People, you either stand for your beliefs and do this or take a seat in the stands to watch. I Prefer to be in the 3% that will stand up to tyranny. What will you do?

are we at the point where I mention an AR15 is better...

OK, I just finished watching. It was their usual slick job of "attempting" to seem "fair & balanced," but it was clear by the content, order of speakers, and the imagery (scenes of people in gun stores, of kids shooting guns, etc. etc.), that they were painting an anti-gun mindset picture. There were only two pro-2A reps - a congressman from North Carolina and the Pres. of USCCA. There were, maybe 3 times as many anti-reps including NY DA Cyrus Vance, NYC police commissioner, The Milwaukee Police chief, a rep from the Giffords institute (who tried to convince us that 2A does not guarantee a right to concealed carry... that 2A is only valid for home defense). In short, while they acknowledged that guns are part of the culture "in the rural parts of the country," they are condemned in major cities like NY, LA, Tuscon, Seattle, Milwaukee, etc. etc., DA Vance's position is that Feds shouldn't tell anti states / cities what to do... The USCCA guy did his best, but I think they manipulated his answers a bit, as they did with the NC congressman. They stated that they invited Wayne La Pierre on the segment but that he refused. Instead they showed a clip of his speech after the 2016 election imploring Pres. Elect Trump to enact National reciprocity. Oddly enough, they also mentioned the case of Shaneen Allen and plastered her picture (and, even, a profile of Evan Nappen), stating that if it weren't for Chris Christie pardoning her, she would have faced 10 years in prison (while not mentioning that before Christie pardoned her, she had gotten PTI only after Evan Nappen exposed the DA as being the same one who granted PTI to Ray Rice for a domestic violence charge.... Hmmmmmm...... Yeah... the message was slick and, while they didn't conclude anything directly, it was clear that they were suggesting that National Reciprocity is a bad thing for the big cities (where the 60 min. primary constituency lives), and thus bad for all.

FYI, the references need not reside in NJ.

Here is the bigger problem. Anyone who looks at FBI Crime Stats and other published information on all causes of deaths, will quickly realize how small (numbers and percentage) firearm related deaths are (even if you include MASS KILLINGS). More people died from slipping and falling than firearms. Many times more people died from medical malpractice than all firearm deaths. If you take NJ, according to FBI Crime stats, more people were killed using "hands, fists, feet" than all rifles combined (including the Assault Ones). Yet, NJ spent money and time to ban "bump stocks". In reality, this politically motivated focus on "Gunz" takes focus away from real problems, real causes of "mass murder" and law enforcement. Thats the real problem Public should be rallying against.

The Rep's name is Darren Goens. Darren & I have spoken often on 2A matters in NJ, as he also attends the ANJR&PC Board meetings when he's in town. Darren is a cool guy, cigar smoker like myself & is a Facebook friend of mine & a full-time NRA lobbyist who lives in NJ and works in NJ & surrounding states for the NRA. A trusted 2A Patriot!

Visiting my wife's family out of state over the weekend and usually we are busy spending time with them but every few trips we take a day to get out and see new sights, check out breweries/wineries which we love, new towns etc. There are so many breweries in their area we've been trying to cross a lot of the our list. Anyway, I saw this sign displayed in one of the breweries so I thought I'd snap a super cool hipster Instagram photo of my flight. Yes, her dad was packing (Kimber 1911 .45) and I'm sure many other patrons were. I wanted to grab it and place it in the picture but thought it wasn't the best idea haha. It feels good knowing people are enjoying and taking advantage of their 2A rights. Here's the medicine bottle of Brown Cow I got. Their Stout mixed with an IPA so kind of like a black and tan. Absolutely delicious. It's sitting on a red cedar charcuterie board I just made my wife a couple weeks ago. The heart behind it I made her as well out of a maple burl.

Not yet. We'll call you.

The people that sued and got their permits did not "back off", they lost standing. The ability to sue was taken away from them by the state when the permit to carry (NJ does not distinguish type of carry). It was a smooth legal maneuver by the state. This is why any lawsuit needs a lot of people (1000's) to be denied. The state can easily grant 10's of permits but they cannot simply grant 1000's without destroying their defense mechanism (granting permit to carry to take standing from the plaintiff). Gun owners in NJ always sit on the sidelines and complain while waiting for someone else to carry the burden.

Clearly made to be as painful as they can make it... remember THEY don't want you in THEIR Club! Never lose sight of that! If I lose, I win! If I win, I win. I have nothing to lose as I will submit my app costs in joining every suit going! Either way, I want to piss on Loretta Weinberg's shoes...

On the nice lady's cover sheet. I will call her and question that and finger printing as these are NOT list in the State police Documents...

just outta curiosity? you DID record your encounter, right? 'cause......nj is a 1 party state.

Zeke: Those darn "n's" are so easy to miss on the keyboard these days, lol! So good catch! In hiNdsight, the UNIFORMED (too) in blue may need to get used to folks walkin'-around with sidearms while wearin' regular haircuts instead of sportin' the "High & Tights"... So yeppers, an uNiNteNded consequeNce of my bad spelliN' may come iNto play, lol!

that's my point. the laws are in fact illegal and unconstitutional....but sadly we've gotta live with em till we get them set straight.

They probably think a pothole is a part of a bong.

I must say, as others have noted, it seems you have an unusual number of questions about circumventing the system... but unless I've missed it, not a lot about "hey, what kind of gun do you recommend I get?" etc. So, I'm sure there's something bubbling under the surface - and you've piqued my curiosity, I'll give you that. My "spidey senses" are tingling! LOL. Now, I will say, when I first got into shooting, I was a bit worried about a lot of things too. My main fears were: What will these people be like? Are they the "gun nuts" I've heard about? (Yeah, I laugh about it now). My NRA instructor turned out to be a retired HS teacher... AND an ordained minister. A sweetheart! Since then, I've met shooters who were male and female... straight and gay.... republican, independent AND democrat... Christian, Jewish, Muslim and atheist... etc. Overwhelmingly they were all friendly and helpful and very forthcoming with good advice. I was also needlessly worried about all the legalities. As is turned out, if like myself, you have no disqualifying factors (felonies, DV convictions, adjudication for mental illness, etc.), you will be just fine! You might have to wait awhile for your FID/permits, but you'll get them eventually. My point is this: if you have some special situation that's prompting your legal concerns, instead of fishing around... you'd probably be better off asking just for the names of some local 2A attorneys and dealing with it privately. As knowledgeable and helpful as people are in this community, there's no substitute for advice from an attorney well-schooled in 2A issues. And, god forbid, on the slim chance you're trying to get advice on how to circumvent NJ's gun laws... I assure you, you won't find those answers here! People will bend over backwards to try to keep a noob like yourself OUT of trouble. I can say with high degree of confidence, they won't advise you on how to break the law! The 2A community understands that when people do stupid things with guns, it (unfortunately) makes all of us look bad!

Couldn't agree more! Deaths by shootings have trended downward for decades... and fall well below the other more common causes of death in the U.S. That's why the other phrase I despise is "gun violence epidemic" - first of all, "gun violence" implies that violence by gun is some highly unique crime (as though a career criminal wouldn't just as happily stab you death - violence is violence and its root cause is the violent offender)... and worse yet, by using the word "epidemic", it implies that the trend is moving sharply upward (the opposite, in fact, of where the multi-decade trend line has been). Look at the trend lines for deaths by opioids... calling that "the opioid epidemic" is actually quite accurate. Those cases are, in fact, skyrocketing. Words matter! Facts matter! The thing that makes me the most frustrated is that the organized 2A movement has not done a better job of messaging. Nearly ALL of the facts, trends and credible studies are in their favor - but they do a really poor job of getting that info out there, IMO.

And only a scant amount of these are prosecuted! It's a known problem that gangbangers will even dupe their own grandmother into making a gun purchase for them. What happens all too often is that local prosecutors don't want to "throw granny in jail" - so they don't prosecute the case, or they at least plea it down to practically nothing. And THAT is why straw purchases continue to be as prevalent as they are. Similarly, when ex-felons apply to get a gun and are (rightly so) rejected by the NICS check -- the prosecution of those cases (by the Feds) has been abysmally low as well. The fact is that there have been numerous large, credible crime studies that specifically studied the backgrounds of the people who committed crimes with a gun. These studies (by DOJ, large universities, criminal justice think tanks, etc.) are all remarkably similar in their findings. Typically, 70-90% are committed by ex-felons (typically about half of them while still on parole from the previous crime), about 3% are cops, less than 1% are legal gun owners - and the remaining fall into the "other" category (like people who got the gun illegally, perhaps had a long history of misdemeanors, etc.) I've seen the same basic "pie chart" across too many studies to think that it's not actually a true picture! That's why the phrase "common sense gun control" makes me batty!! How did we let these anti-2A zealots hijack that term? Trying to impact crime by going after the people least likely to commit it is actually the opposite of common sense! Aggressive prosecution of straw purchasers (and the criminals that put them up to it), aggressive prosecution of ex-felons who get caught in a NICS check, a serious re-examination of parole procedures, less plea bargains... and heavy, sustained investment in community programs that keep high-risk kids out of gangs... now THAT would be "common sense". When trying to solve a problem, you must address the obvious and largest root cause.

I'm starting to guess OP has something in his background that is making him afraid to apply for a FPID out of fear of denial. So OP is looking for loopholes. I have a friend in the same situation. Years ago dumbass got 2 DWI, one of which involved an argument with a girl he was dating. She punched him multiple times in front of the cop. He didn't hit her back, but did spit on her. Charge of assault was added to his DWI for spitting. I told him to press counter charges and not plead out. He took a plea which was $250 fine and charges dropped to disorderly person, but domestic still on record. Rather than go for expoungement he looked for loopholes. Upon not finding any he is trying for expoungement. Does that about sum it up OP? If so spend the money on the expoungement. If it is something more recent you need to wait to get it expunged. If it is something more severe you are screwed and can only illegally own a firearm. In which case Juan and Tyrone on the corner, or someone with a nickname like Killer is your only option. Do not try and buy a firearm from a law abiding citizen. They will not sell it to you.

The 4th type of person moves south where it doesn't freeze

Correct. Liberals attempt, very successfully, to twist this into being the evil scourge responsible for the majority of violent crime. They then try to claim individuals travel from out of state to find private sellers to sell them guns without background checks. They leave out the fact that almost all street crime is committed with handguns. And that it is already illegal for private sellers to sell a handgun to an an out of state citizen. All state to state handgun sales must be shipped to an FFL in the purchasers home state where a background check will be performed before the buyer can take possession. But that fact is hardly every brought up in the mainstream media as a counter point. It is hardly ever pointed out that such transactions are already illegal and that individuals engaging in those transactions are already violating the law. In reality most firearms used in street crimes were either purchased via a straw purchase where a clean buyer pases background check and legally purchases a firearm but who then passes / sells gun to someone who would not pass background check, or were stolen.

It could help in bringing on cases. How can I be expected not to carry when every Tom, Dick and Harry from another state can? Someone from Maine where there is no vetting can come here and carry and I can't? Where is the even distribution of rights under the 14th amendment then? It could open doors.

Mag disconnect safety can be removed. 15 round mags are available. Trigger is much better after removal of mag disconnect safety.

unless they changed it, this is incorrect.

Depends on the final wording of the bill if and when it gets passed! Either way it will help in the end!

https://gunforhire.com/master-playlist/ Scott Bach, Dan Schmutter (attorneys for ANJRPC) were on as well as a rep (whose name escapes me) from the NRA. It was a good listen.

The house version would help those that have a NON resident in one state, carry in every state.

I have a WW2 German one and it is by far my favorite WW2 German pistol.

There are 3 types of people those that freeze those that are cold, and debate how to build a fire. those that jus build a fire

I fondled it at the show. I might have to get one of these, blew my shields grip out of the water and way better capacity Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Did you notice the councilman chose to not believe reality? How convenient. Goes back to what I posted earlier about proceeding from false premises. Of course actually what he was doing was answering a question (Does LE want to protect you?) and not replying to the statement Bach made.

Even better. They have imi 77 gr for 54cents a round for 500. Good deal fot 1/7 or 1/8 twist. Just ordered 500

And again, that would only happen if 1) it passes, and 2) the wording ends up changed from what has passed the House.

I'm guessing it will resurface closer to midterm elections. There are a few incumbent senate dems up for re-election in gun friendly states. My thought is that the NRA will lean on Mitch McConnell to bring it to the floor for a vote with enough time to pump cash into opposing campaigns if the incumbent votes no to reciprocity. They're waiting for the opportune moment.

I also thought it was funny when I think it was the PC, said we have a good idea of Who is carrying, if that's the case they should arrest most of them, since NY doesn't allow carry, most are criminals. Right?

I watched the show too. Two take-aways that I think the congressman and president of USCCA didn't press Steve Kroft on, and could of nailed him on are the following: 1) We can protect ourselves and families INSIDE our homes but can't CCW and protect ourselves and family OUTSIDE our homes? Are our lives worth less when we leave our houses and go out then when we are home? 2) The 2nd Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", so where is it written that says we shall not be infringed INSIDE our homes, but we CAN be infringed OUTSIDE our homes? Maybe it was said, and CBS edited those portions out. We don't know. I'm sure CBS edited out parts that would hurt their narrative. So, CBS and Kroft tried to use the "Big City" smokescreen as the reason to keep NR from being legalized. I also watched the video clip on the 60 minutes web site where Croft and the Pres of USCCA actual went out on the streets of NYC and Kroft asked him (since he wasn't carrying) if he felt safe. The last thing the Pres said to Kroft was, "even though CCW is illegal in NYC, I can guarantee there were people walking past us carrying weapons, you just don't know who they are".

all legal purposes. i think someone already said it before.

The following is speculation and not settled law. It's not illegal to place ammunition in a magazine. You might even be able to transport a firearm with an empty chamber and loaded magazine and not have a loaded firearm. If you go to trial, do you really want to be tasked with educating 12 men and women as to the difference while the prosecutor loads the ammo into the magazine, loads the magazine into the firearm and muddied the water for you. It's entirely possible that you received advice from a set of lawyers not based on the law but on the practical defensible application of the law.

You should

Not too many of those survived slugs I'd bet Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

I did it is clear. Just saying what Rocco said at orientation. Rule is no after hours guests, but immediate family meaning spouse and minor children don't count as guests with upgraded membership which is only $25 more. Each member can bring 5 guests and each guest can go 5x. The Stripper Question I figured is best to run by Paul. Edit: In case my wife ever sees this I am only kidding about the strippers

I think Scott may have muddied things a bit by referring to SCOTUS decisions that police do not have a duty to protect. Bringing that up sounded like an attack on police. All he needed to do was to state the obvious, that police cannot be everywhere.

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What the Fuck is wrong with you guys? This shit is exactly why people and vendors give up on this place! You turn a post about a burglary into trashing the guy’s business? Do yourselves a favor and stay on topic or shut the fuck up. You have issues? Speak to him privately. Don’t bash him in public. As with anything else, you don’t like his company? Don’t go.... Fucking arm chair warriors! Un-fucking real! And while you are at it, take your expertise in forensics and get yourself out in the real world and show us your ingenuity. What? Have none? Again! STFU! [emoji35]🤬 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I recently had my AR at Modern Materiel for a new coating done on my primary AR. I wasn't happy with the previous coating and Pete was confident that he could hit a home run with it. I left it with him and got pictures back of it being completed sometime around a week of waiting. That's pretty dang fast. I've looked this thing up and down for any flaw I can find and it's perfect. The transition between colors have no texture or transition lines that can be felt by fingernail. It's perfectly smooth, almost like it was printed on. I'm seriously blown away with how amazing this came out. I highly recommend you go see Modern Materiel for a cerakote job! Enjoy some pictures: