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Ms. Park, Based on your statement, I doubt you intend to buy a gun anytime soon. Nor should you if that is just not your thing! The reason so many in this thread want you to try to buy one is so you would see with your own eyes, the scrutiny NJ puts every legal gun buyer through! In a nutshell, you have to go to your hometown PD and request a packet of forms. You must fill out all of the forms and supply two people as character references and they WILL be contacted. You must do an online mental health check which you pay for and you sign a release for the state to look for ANY mental health issues you have EVER had. You must make an appointment to be fingerprinted at your expense and fill out whatever other forms your town requires. Once the forms are completed and turned in to the PD, they will conduct an EXTENSIVE criminal and mental background check on you that could take time. The Chief of police may call you in to interview you if he wishes. The chief may, at his discretion, approve or disapprove your application. In about a month or for most towns many months you get a permit to buy a rifle or shotgun called the NJ firearms ID card. You must go through the entire above process EVERY time you apply for a permit to buy a handgun! Even then, they expire in 90 days, can be extended to 120 day with the chiefs approval. Each handgun permit is only good for ONE handgun and you are limited to only ONE handgun purchase in any 30 day period. Oh, and when you purchase any gun, you also have to fill out forms for each gun AND pay for a NICS check, yet another criminal background check, which must be approved by the State Police before you can take your new gun home! Our new Governor wants to make it even harder for the legal gun owners in NJ! All the new restrictions and laws never have an effect on crime since only the law abiding gun owners will follow them and they are NOT the one's committing the crimes! The laws and restrictions were there in Florida but the government on many levels did not enforce them. THEY are just as responsible for those children's deaths as the shooter himself. So the answer that the left NEVER wants to hear is, It's NOT ABOUT THE GUN! It's not about new feel good laws that will do NOTHING to prevent these shootings in the future! It's about actively enforcing the laws already on the books and punishing the criminals for once and leave the honest, law abiding gun owners alone!

If I understand the OP correctly, her intention is to find out how the Parkland shooting has influenced recent decisions over purchasing a MSR. Whether you are more or less inclined to follow through with your purchase. While I agree that going through the FPID process herself will be a valuable experience, if she truly wants to understand the legal process and obstacles we face, it has little to do with the subject matter of the article she is writing. Let's help Ms. Park with the story she's working on now, and maybe she will be inclined to stick around and learn more from us.

So what if they are not open yet. Your purpose for the trip is to go to that range from your house! Once you cross that bridge with your permit, NJ laws no longer apply! Perhaps you enjoy sitting in your car at Clayton's for a few hours before they open just to relax! The NJ police have NO control over what you do once you cross that bridge. When you return to NJ, just go straight home first and secure your firearm. As long as you follow NJ statutes for transporting, you are good to go! Don't overthink this thing! Once you cross into PA, YOU ARE A FREE MAN! Enjoy your right to carry while you still can!

Katie: I really applaud that you're trying to gather a full story with multiple viewpoints... that's not something we always see today! Increasingly, it's echo chambers. So kudos to you! You're looking for a subject within a very narrow window though --- a person that's just come into the shooting sports, but doesn't even have a firearm yet, AND is preferably in those counties. Yikes! I'm sure the folks on here will try to find you someone who meets your exacting criteria, but if they don't, I do think it's very important that one or more perspectives from gun owners is included in your article. There's simply too much "vilifying" of gun owners that's taking place right now. I consider myself to be a relatively new shooter - about 2 years in (and initially I only went once a month, so yeah, still very much a beginner). I bought my first gun AFTER Sandy Hook... and believe me, I did a "deep dive" into crime research, research into the causes of violence, and studied both sides of the issue both from the gun rights and gun control perspectives... suffice it to say, I felt wholly comfortable once I finally made a purchase. Sometimes I do chuckle about my own preconceived notions - my NRA firearms instructor was a retired teacher AND an ordained minister. Two years in, and the "gun nuts" I had been promised have not materialized quite yet! LOL. I would ask that you please make sure you get the perspective from women gun owners - they're one of the fastest growing demographics of gun owners - and I think self-defense is definitely a reason for that. I personally view it as a very natural outgrowth of more women being single today than ever before, single women being more likely to be homeowners than single men, and women also being more likely to get child custody... for all of these reasons, women find themselves increasingly likely to be in the role of "protector" than in the past. Women's fast-growing rates of gun ownership is a natural extension of demographic changes. Do reach out to those other organizations listed above by other posters. I'd like to see you get the exact "subject" that you are looking for... particularly one in the geography of your readership. But if you come up short and simply can't find someone that fits your initial criteria, PM me. I might be willing to be your "backup plan". Best of luck! Update: my thread was apparently crossing with Rosey's. My comment is: excellent, you're in good hands, he'll hook you up! Have fun at the range!

After reading everyone's comments so far, I've expanded the story to this, in addition to my original request (which is at the very beginning of this thread): 1. What is the process to legally buy and carry a gun (rifles, long guns, shotguns, then handguns) in this state? I want to speak with various people and listen to their experiences of buying or carrying (or trying to buy or carry), and not just read state protocol, which I know is in abundance online. I plan to go to my municipal police department and request an application for owning a shotgun/rifle/long gun. 2. Which mental conditions preclude applicants from owning any kind of gun in NJ? Do common diagnosed conditions, like depression and anxiety (among others), disadvantage applicants? 3. What other factors, in your experience, pose as a particular advantage or disadvantage to applicants for legal gun ownership in NJ? Like I mentioned before, I plan on visiting a gun shop and shooting range around here for this story. Hope this helps clarify some forum members' questions. As I mentioned, please feel free to contact me, either on this website, at 908-801-4853, or at [email protected]. Ideally, I'd like to have the ball rolling on interviews and meet-ups by Thursday, March 8, although there's a very good chance this impending nor'easter will delay things.

Katie, I'm Dave Rosenthal from the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners. We're the busiest organized gun group in NJ. The Coalition has a Communications Director that's a single mom. She's great at answering all of the questions you may have and can add the female perspective as well. I'm going to pass your contact info to Theresa Inacker, so please expect an email or call shortly. We look forward to providing you honest & accurate information for your story prior to your Thursday deadline. Please do consider learning "the process" of what it takes to purchase a firearm in NJ, and do some homework on the provision that prevents NJ citizens from protecting themselves outside their homes (over 40 states currently allow citizens to carry) by going to: http://www.JustifiableNeed.com . And please check-out our website at: http://www.cnjfo.com . We can arrange to have you shoot at a range close to you. I can meet you at several ranges in the area as most are supporters and/or sponsors of the Coalition. You'll have a plethora of gun owners in the range with you, and some might also be there for their first shots. As a NRA Chief Range Safety Officer I can guarantee you'll have a great SAFE time! Thanks for your inquiry! David Rosenthal, VP Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO) http://www.cnjfo.com

Yeah, guys, she has an assignment - we can make suggestions, but it's her assignment... and ideas need to be approved by her editor(s)! Everyone has a boss. @Katie Park - as you can probably tell, there's a lot of angst about how legal, law-abiding gun owners are often "blamed" (indirectly, or these days, even directly) for the actions of madmen and career criminals. As a gun owner, I can tell you it's offensive! Gun owners, like the ones on here, are sensitive about that and the often lop-sided presentation in the media and the lack of credible facts presented. Hopefully, you'll read all of these comments with that in mind --- we are all simply eager to see someone present unbiased, balanced reporting to counter the strident hysteria that too often shapes the public discourse around this issue. I hope you find some good "subjects". We'll be waiting eagerly to see the results!

Ms Park Make sure you insert this little fact into your gun article . NJ politicians can't seem swallow the facts. LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

20 year old kid in Oregon sues Dicks for refusing to sell him a rifle. Using the same anti discrimination law used to force the baker to bake the gay couple a wedding cake. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/05/oregon-20-year-old-sues-dicks-sporting-goods-refusing-sell-rifle/

You are understandably paranoid and that's the way the PRNJ wants you to be! You don't have to prove ANYTHING that happened during the time you were OUT OF THEIR JURISDICTION! What are they gonna do, check to see if your gun is dirty? You cleaned it at the range! Do a paraffin test on your hands? Oh crap, you washed them before you left the range then went to a bar and had a few drinks, had dinner, stayed at a Motel 6. and drove home the next day. The above is exaggeration but it does not matter if you went to the range or not.......Your intention was to go to the range, then, when across the bridge, you changed your mind and went shopping instead! You CAN change your mind, no law against that is there? Do what you want and live your life, or choose to live in fear of the Gestapo! Even they can't touch you if just follow the transport laws while IN this state!

Ms Parker: While many here will be glad to help you and answer any questions you have, I, too, am in the camp that you should go trough the actuall process to acquire a firearm. You don't actually have to buy but going trough that process will give an insight that only comes from actually doing it. Only then you can put to rest the notion you can buy a firearm in 5 minutes, only then you can put to rest the notion that's easier to buy a firearm that to buy a car, only then you get to experience how arbitrary and capricious the process can be, only then you may begin to realize that most of what you read about firearms is written by people have have absolutely no direct knowledge of the process. I should warn you, though, you won't have the material next week, or next month, you'll have it when your local police department decides you should have it-state law be damned. I sincerely whish you good luck and may this experience be educational.

Well this couldn’t be further from the truth. I’ve been to a number of ranges in NJ and see women there all the time. implying that Ms. Park will be surrounded by perverted guys is just obscene.

OK, that's really great! There's a lot of information to absorb about guns (as there is with any new subject matter, of course... but the firearms topic, in particular, crosses into an awful lot of other subject areas: legal, political, etc. For that reason, it's a more complex topic than, say, archery or golf, etc.). I'm sure you'll get a really good overview through her contacts.

Hey, all. Just letting everyone know I'm still following this thread closely and reading each comment. Each comment is coming through to my email, so I'm reading them there. If anyone would like to send me a message for this story, it's [email protected]. Thanks!

If they are gathering info they would see this is the most law abiding group. To the point of being paranoid. Sometimes laws are followed that don't even exist. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Just posted on FB today...

Maybe Zeke can invite her to the next group meet up

You cannot see the whole picture, focusing on a pixel

glad you mentioned "gun lobby". 'cause......the nra isn't even in the top FIFTY for lobbyists.

welll....admittedly, going through that process may bias her. i mean...once she realizes the sheer volume of bs we have to go through, and the sheer stupidity and redundancy of it.........

IF her intention is to find out how it influenced our decisions whether or not to purchase? i was in the process of purchasing a rifle when it happened. it did not change my mind, nor did it make me have second thoughts. these types of incidents will never effect my thinking on buying or owning firearms, as they have nothing to do with legal firearm ownership. until the systems/laws in place already are enforced, and work properly, any/all new laws will be a moot point, as they will not fix anything.

To be clear, it's been passed on to the next committee, correct? Still not law. I do hope though that ANJRPC is drafting the lawsuit as we speak so it can be filed the moment this becomes law.

The best indicator for when to put down pre-emergent crabgrass control is forsythia bushes. When they are just beginning to bud is the right time. If you wait until after they have bloomed, it will be far less effective.

Your cannot discount real world experience. .... I do know that the 45 series was fielded by ft Lee for years with no real issues. .. I have a second hand duty gun 4516 that I have put a mix and match of all kinds of 45 through 1200 rnds? Plus or minus without a hiccup and at self defense ranges is very very accurate the 39-2 same deal. ....not an ex duty gun....but nonetheless shoots like a laser beam. That being said, the smith' fit me better than any glock I have ever handled..... my 26 is nice small light...but do 10 rounds of 9mm make a differnce to 8 rounds of 45...albeit in a heavier firearm but to me handles better than the glock? Dunno To each his own.... but then again I am not in a stack and those that negate real world experiences are foolish.

Lol I find my VP9 to be worlds better than my G19

not in every state. you cannot discriminate against someone because of their age. I believe 19 states have a law that if you are legal age to own, you can buy that product. Lawsuits will be pending. @Zeke damn, I'm good.

Who goes to PA and doesn't go to a range or gun shop? Every trip of mine into PA involves a range. You are fully covered under FOPA. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

If you can't leave the state with what? I use my NH non res permit to carry in PA quite often.

I wish the focus would be more about the systemic failure of law enforcement in FL at every level- federal, county & local- which directly led to this shooting. They knew about this guy and did nothing to ensure he’d show up on a NICS as prohibited. It blows my mind that people are demanding more laws, when the current ones on the books, which would have prevented this tragedy, were simply not enforced.

The only way that I'd speak to a writer for the APP is with a written contract that gives me the right of final edit. Think of this like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown. Adios, Pizza Bob

Have you applied to purchase a firearm in this state?

This article talks about the kind of elderly people I would like to emulate.... 100-year-old Matilda Curcia, for instance, who enjoys a beer and potato chips every night before bed. Though I must say, her allotment of "3" chips is far too paltry... (I thought it was a typo! Who can stop at 3 chips? Sheesh). I'm now wondering if a Grey Goose Dirty Martini with extra olives and a BAG of chips nightly could lead to the same longevity? Am I being too greedy? Ummm... maybe swapping on occasion and downing an Irish Coffee and a fine quality dark chocolate bar? Unreasonable, you say? But, but... doesn't HAPPINESS lead to longevity? Those things would make me VERY HAPPY. Read on...https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/restaurantsandnews/100-year-old-woman-says-beer-and-chips-are-her-secret-to-longevity/ar-BBJTURm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

I like the new CZ P10C. (I think that's the model #). I plan on purchasing Sept/Oct 2018, so I hope the 10 rd mag limit is not passed any time soon.

it's so sad. disgusting actually. on top of all the other bs we have to deal with, there's discrimination. eh, she's a woman, not fit for a gun. deny. stay classy, nj

I am sorry to inform you that you are wrong! The chief or his agent can most definitely deny an application! Remember the case where NJ2AS taped a detective in Orange NJ because she was 5' 5" tall and he was afraid an assailant would take her gun away? “I had a female in here. She’s every bit of 5-foot and 80 pounds.” In a hidden-camera recording made by the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, an Orange Police Detective Sergeant appears to explain how he denied a handgun purchase permit to an applicant not based on New Jersey law but on the applicant’s size and gender. “I’m not going to say anyone can’t take a gun from me or, or you know. But, I’m just saying and I told her I’m going to be completely honest with you. In my opinion, I said, if I saw you and I saw you with a gun, especially here in Essex County, and the people we have here in this county. Um, I said yeah I’d be concerned with you having a firearm.” And then the detective sergeant says he’s never lost an appeal and he has a wide range of reasons to deny the petite woman’s application. “Again it wasn’t anything against her. It’s not her fault she’s female and only, but I said we’ve got to look at the public safety.” Orange Police have not responded to our requests for comment on the videotape.

Not upset the character is gone. I just thought it was long, drawn out, boring, and probably one of the worst episodes ever. Possibly a jump the shark moment for the series. Hope I'm wrong...

*Why not go through the application process yourself? You would probably garner more interest by publishing more than just the one article if you went through the application process yourself. Additional follow up articles can be about the same process for other NJ residents of different counties and include interviews of several gun owners that state their background and occupation. It just strikes me as coincidental that every known left wing press is putting out a gun article since the FL shooting occurred. Regards, TokenEntry

I'm sorry but who is THOMAS P. COSTELLO? It reads like an article with the quote: "Presidents have been assassinated, members of Congress have been shot and scores of innocent schoolchildren have been murdered in their classrooms. Regrettably, our elected officials inside the Beltway are highly unlikely to pass meaningful and comprehensive legislation to address the growing gun violence epidemic in our country. When compared to other developed countries, America is at the top as measured by the number of guns per 100,000 people, number of mass shootings and firearm death rate."

Exactly what @capt14k and @JohnnyB said. Use your NH CCW until you move to PA. Once you're in PA you don't have to rush to apply.

You broke the code! There are lots of public ranges in PA! Just find one reasonably near the bridge you are crossing. I print out directions or instructions from the ranges website.

Quoted for best post on the forum!!! Truth brother

Perhaps contact one of the organizations below? I'm sure they are great resources and ambassadors for such things. http://sawshootingclub.com/ http://diversityshoot.com/

On sale right now too at Midway https://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotionid=1206623

Hello Katie. You should try the process yourself for a real hands on experience. No better way than to live the experience! eta: you don't actually have to purchase the gun but do the process anyway just to get the permit

Maybe.... But maybe this is a good opportunity to educate this young reporter on some of the many things we feel the media misrepresents (Intentionally or not) because they are not in the sport like we are.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinespark https://www.app.com/staff/10052538/katie-park/ looks like Aspury Park Press. Proceed with caution, folks. Chances are, the spin will be very anti...

IMO, projectiles I like. Cheap DIY - hornady 55gr jsp going about 2800 fps. hornady 62gr OTM about the same speed is nice, and the higher BC means the lower velocity works out for you over a wider range. People have been liking them as cheap fodder for nuisance hogs. You can also score 55gr fusion and gold dot bullets in bulk for very reasonable prices on occasion. The 62Gr version of both seems to be less bitchy to load. For 64gr stuff you can go with the nosler bonded performance bullets new and pristine. They do have a pretty flat point though. Hornady z-max 55gr and v-max 55gr bullets are nice and accurate, and have a thick cooper portion at the base of the projectile. Nosler 55gr varmint (orange tip, the pricier stuff) and 60gr varmint bullets are constructed similarly. I find the nosler 60gr to be more picky about loading. If you want expensive, the barnes TSX product line and 77gr OTM from either sierra or nosler work well. Non diy I haven't seen the 62gr OTM anywhere. As far as I know only midsouth sells the heads. So no pre packaged stuff I have been able to find. The hronady 55gr jsp is availabel in 50 round bulk boxes labeled training. It also gets recommended for hogs by some vendors. Item 80255, however might be a litle faster than I would like for the bullet. The hornady bonded sutff is available as the fusion hunting line and the TRU defensive line. Hornady vmax and zmax stuff is available in their z amax line and tap products. The speer bullets are of course in the gold dot rifle ammo. the nosler bullet is in the winchester powermax hunting ammo, 64gr winchester ranger bonded solid base, and nosler defense ammo. Barnes TSX is available from black hills or their own vor-tx line. The 77gr OTM bullets are cheapest loaded in IMI razor core ammo.

Unless you’re planning on a suppressed SBR (ain’t happening in NJ), I’d skip the piston. It’s not really going to do anything for you other than add complexity and weight. @High Exposureis the expert, I’d listen to him.

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