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Posting this in its own thread as it seems timely. Why are we allowing the liberal left to determine the narrative and course of action in protecting our children? We clearly accept armed protection in many facets of our society. We pay men to carry guns to protect pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters being transported from stores to banks as well as deposits. We accept armed guards in banks. We accept armed guards to protect famous people and politicians. We accept high police presence in major events. We accept armed security in jewelry stores. Yet public schools that are clearly suffering from being targeted remain largely unprotected. Why is that? I have had a number of police officers relay stories to me on how they were picking up or dropping off their kids to school in uniform and were in some cases asked, in others told, they were not welcome on school grounds while in uniform and carrying a weapon as it made some staff members uncomfortable. Add all the gun free school zone rhetoric and all the resistance to police and armed security in schools and it becomes clear that the liberal left bias is what is keeping our schools from being properly protected. Why are we tolerating the least qualified group to assess and mitigate the risk to our children? My lawyer doesn’t prescribe me medication and I don’t ask my doctor to do my taxes! Is it better if our kids are stabbed to death or blown up instead of being shot? Countries like Japan and China have suffered school killing sprees at the hands of evil men with knives that rival the number dead in American school shootings. Many are completely unaware that Columbine was planned as a bombing. Those two perpetrators had planned to bomb the cafeteria at lunch and then detonate a line of explosives out front specifically directed at the police, fire and ems first responders. So that would indicate to me that focusing all this energy on gun control is a complete waste of time and effort. Not to mention that Columbine was perpetrated with pistols, shotguns and a pistol caliber carbine. See something say something? Clearly that isn’t working either! Case after case reveals everyone said something to include to the top Law Enforcement agency in the country! The evidence is already in front of everyone. People and systems will fail. Other people will never trigger the system to begin with! Look up John David LaDue for a case study of a threat that could have easily went undetected if it weren’t for a timely glance out of a window. Is arming teachers and faculty the answer? In my opinion it is not. To me it is a half measure. I believe that people should have the right to defend themselves. However, armed faculty are not going to have a duty to run towards the sound of gunfire! There may be a few that think that way but I don’t think that will be the vast majority. Why are we exploring half measures instead of embracing the fact that the only way to protect unarmed people is with armed people assigned to their protection! This is evident everywhere else in our society. I would think that every town in America has the ability to add to its police force and assign them to their schools. This might actually help with the drug problems that seem to be affecting just about every school in America as well. But Im not talking about adding 1 person for 3700 students. Clearly no risk and response analysis went on there! But this would cost money. Is that an issue? Are we going to spend money to protect money and valuables but we as a society are unwilling to spend money to protect children? I don’t think that’s the case. My conclusion is that we have fallen short of putting the correct response in place because we cant get past hurting the feelings of the liberal left that have infested the school systems. I don’t want to hear their cries about creating a police state in schools. I don’t want to hear one more stupid plan to have all the kids throw books or soup cans at an assailant! I don’t want to hear about teachers having a session in school with nerf guns to work out their own strategies. I hate to inform the faculty but the fact of the matter is that every kid with an X-Box has more tactical prowess than the vast majority of teachers at any school. I want to hear from experts that have a proven track record of providing actual security. Does it sit right with everyone that all of congress operates in an armed, protected environment but it’s unthinkable by many of these politicians to provide any armed security for our children? In my opinion, this is why NOTHING has changed. The evidence is overwhelming that banning anything never solves anything or actually protects anyone. Banning only insures that the bad guys are better armed than the law abiding good guys. Lets not forget that a good guy with an AR15 stopped the church shooter in Texas. You CAN’T ban evil determination. I will be just as heartbroken for every child killed by a gun, a bomb, a knife, a sword, or a gallon of gas. I want them protected from as many threats as possible with someone capable of providing that protection. The time for allowing the liberal left to determine the protection for everyone’s children needs to end! We need to counter the bleating of the liberal left with a solid loud voice of logic, reason and something that will certainly be more effective. The much vilified NRA is the only organization Im aware of that actually studied the security issue and submitted professionally derived plans against such tragedies. Im not aware of any effort put forth by organizations like the Brady Campaign or any similar organization.

This might sound choppy, but I’m combining a few posts from other forums to make this thread. I feel it is definitely part review, part PSA, and part recommendation. So, I got my TLR-7 in the other day... If you buy one, check and see if the E-ring is installed. Don’t know if Streamlight doesn’t put it in so you can swap the key, but never had to install one on any of my other lights. Two come with it, as well as the tool to install/remove them, and the keys. Figured I’d mention it, as I unscrewed it all the way when I was looking it over. The screw isn’t finger tightenable anymore. I do like it is flush, but a nickel is probably your best tool for the light. Definitely have to thank Medtronic for instilling four years of carrying a nickel for the battery compartment of my insulin pump, then switching to a design on the belt clip. Guess I’ll just keep a nickel around for my TLR-7, especially if I carry it. [emoji41] Output is pretty good. My old light on the 30S was a TLR-3, so it is a big jump in Lumens. I also like the front battery loading, which likely would be beneficial for those going with the TLR-8. The lockout is nice, but it is just something I doubt I’ll ever use. Waterproof... it is nice, but never had an issue with the older designs that weren’t. The switch... I’m definitely up in the air on. It isn’t the traditional Streamlight switch that I love. But I was looking at the XC1, due to size. Hoping this switch will do me well, but I do see some potential issues. I unlocked the strobe feature, and wasn’t sure how to in the instructions. I thought you had to turn the light on/off ten times, whereas you just hit the button quick as s***, and hold on the 10th time. When I was trying to turn it on/off, I did notice myself outrunning the switch (didn’t turn on/off when it should have due to press). Something I need to train on the light and see if it is an issue (doubt it, as the switch to strobe didn’t cause any issue), so just something to consider. My other concern will be holster interaction on the switches. Remember, you can push the switch forward or in to turn the light on. Pulling out of an holster can at least do the forward, and would likely be quick enough to turn the light on constant instead of momentary. With that being said, here are some comparison pictures. My old light to the new... both I put the end of the frame at 3”, for reference. If you have a TLR-3, might be able to get some comparison before buying. And some to show profile on my 30S... One thing I hated about the TLR-3 was how it was positioned. You have three keys, and the one for the Glock had a lot of room between the light and the trigger guard. The TLR-7 is pretty damn close to touching the guard. Plus, you have six keys to figure out what will work with your gun. The one installed from the factory fits Glocks (UNIV-1). Fast forward a few days (actually yesterday when I found out about it), and I’m now unhappy with the light... but it likely will be taken care of. Flickers on dropping the slide, as well as when dry-firing. On AR15.com, a member contacted Streamlight. Said it is “anti-bounce software,” which powers the light off when a bounce is detected (for 4 milliseconds). Done to prevent the light from changing modes/shutting down. Contacted Streamlight earlier today, and played dumb. Wanted to see what they are telling people when questioned. Left a voicemail with the service manager, but was promised by the rep that transferred me to him that he will get back to me. Not going to keep a light that does that. Don’t get me wrong, it isn’t likely something that is going to be noticed when firing, but I don’t want it occurring. I spend $115 for the light, and $100+ on holsters for my Glock/TLR-7... I want the thing to stay on. Received a call back from Mark a little bit ago, confirmed what was posted on AR15.com. Told me that they are going to try to ship an upgraded part that the user can swap in themselves. Said might be completed by the end of this week, but possibly next week. Will contact those who report the issue, and let them know when they can expect to move forward with repair/upgrade. Also confirmed that the lights are good to go for shooting, just the flicker will be present until upgraded. Will add that they are actually one of my top companies that I’ve ever dealt with in regards to customer service. Will be a Streamlight customer for life if that is what I can expect from them. If people are interested in this thread, I will post what comes from this upgrade. If not, click the video above... I am going to keep the description in that up to date with everything that occurs until my light stays on through dry-fire practice.

Two students from Lacey Twp. High School were given 5 days in-school suspension because they posted pictures of themselves on Facebook with/near GUNS! You read that right! Lacey Township High School placed the pair on 5 days of detention for posting pictures of themselves taken at a RANGE onto social media that contained firearms with the caption of "fun day at the range" ANJRPC is on it

Actually Matt Emmons shot at USANA in Elmer with me. I shot along side him for years. Still have awards with both our names on it from various team matches.

I think that they are good on about 90% of our rights.

If it's cold and sucky that day I will wear a heavy turtleneck sweater with the T shirt over it! NOTHING WILL STOP ME!

It was the right decision Handhelds, although my work EDC is a Maglight my after hours lights are made by O-Light. My shotgun brand is fine, why switch to sub standard companies? How to ruin a 1911, by @Screwball

I have two of the Streamlight TLR-1-HLs. I love these lights and never had a flicker! One is on my Sig P226 Stainless .40 cal. and another on my Beretta Px4 Storm Compact. It was on my 92FS Inox untill @Ray Raymade me take off the rail it was mounted on! But that's okay since it kinda ruined the look of the pistol anywayl! I must admit, Pietro would not have been pleased! Streamlight all the way!

I hope you get a rilly bad sunburn!

FYI Lots of folks are wearing blue to show solidarity, even if it isn't a rally shirt.

With all the kids walking out of school today and all the media coverage I felt it was my national duty to celebrate too and buy more mags online.

That and my issue boiled down to when the barracks sends a trooper to Trenton to “pick up their mail”. I lost a month over that. I for one am ready to see the process privatized. The finger print process already is.

I have the same issue, she's held one, but has zero interest to go to the range. She says I can enjoy my hobby without her being involved. When she see the UPS guys coming up the driveway, looking like he's getting a hernia, she just shakes her head and walks away. But, I bought her a present, her own crossbow, you would think she'd be appreciative.... she just says she thinks I need my head examined...

Based on some of his political speech i would debate that his mind was intact.

The world is a lot dumber today.

I will apologize again if need be.

LOL

I am sorry

Never knew he was British.... No accent at all.

I have 2 side chargers and love them both. One is a Stoner the other a Crosshill Technologies Ambidextrous Side-Charge. I tried the left side charge for awhile but found it easier to adjust to the right side like most semi's on the market. And bolt guns for that matter. The only down side some might say is the handle MAY come loose and you need an allen wrench to tighten it or to remover the bolt for cleaning. I put a bit of lock tite on mine and never had a problem. I believe the Stoner upper is good upper. Got mine on sale for under $200 and mated it to a Bear Creek barrel. You'll like it. You don't need a dust cover or forward assist. And don't let anyone tell you different.

I have a TLR-1s on my Walther PPQ. It might be time for a light upgrade.

Ordered two. Its gonna be cold that day

Yes! Exactly that! I didn't like the way it destroyed the beautiful look of my Beretta 92FS Inox, but it did facilitate my putting a rail on it without any permanent mods! But @Ray RayWould not stop until I removed it! Glad I did and now my Sig 226 Stainless steel .40 cal is my go to pistol! But that damn Sig is one heavy M'fer now! In a few years I may have to break my rule and actually buy a polymer framed pistol.....YUCH!!!

One of these? Think he said the same about mine, as well. Gives me a rail on a gun that I don’t want to install a permanent rail on... screw looks. [emoji41]

Flickering when shooting or anything like that means there's a poor connection in there somewhere. Didn't they test this?!

excellent post. thanks!

As a streamlight fanboy, I appreciate your thread. Thanks for the read.

Made it out to the range tonight, spent 1/2 hour sighting in by drifting the rear sight. shot 4- 5 round groups and one 15 round group at 25 yds results are very good. I have trouble picking up rear sight center so I am going to put white dot in center of rear sight the gold front bead lights right up. Ammo used Remington golden bullet, The marlin shoots this ammo very good. I get that rear sight to where I can see it good to align front bead I'm sure I will be able to shoot dime size groups. EDIT: rescanned targets as JPG and included a dime next to best group. marlin39A.pdf

Thanks Nick was fun cya on the 26th as well

Well that got way out of hand - cleaned up. Take it to PM's boys.

Don't use these things. I thought they would help me out, but now I can't insert mags into my Glock as I crushed the darn gun

Keep going! Your fingers will get used to it after a while. Get the 1.0 sooner than later. Once you start practicing with the 1.0, even if you can't close it all the way at first, you'll likely make more progress towards closing the 1.0 by practicing with the 1.0 than going bananas on the .5. I started on the T and moved to the 1.0 from there. Hold onto that .5 even after it gets "easy", you'll still need it to warm up.

Lets see if anyone who has used a conversion kit is happy long term. Everyone I have seen claim such has really converted an upper into a dedicated host with a 22lr specific barrel. I have a nordic .22 upper. My experience is that from a training standpoint there is fairly small area of use it covers that it really represents an economic savings compared to just shooting .223 or doing dry fire with your .223 rig. Manual of arms and weapon manipulation are not 100% the same. Feel under recoil is not remotely the same. If you set it up to come close in weight, transitions are meaningful practice. All the marksmanship skills up to breaking the shot are the same. Practicing positions, control manipulation, etc can be really close or even 100%, but so can dry fire or padding out live fire with dry fire runs. If you are shooting irons or a cheap optic and mount, it might be worth it. If you are shooting a quality optic, you may be better off just buying more ammo, coming up with a solid practice plan, and padding your live fire with dry drills to get reps in.

@Lakota and @fatty then your wives will add to Nics backups.... not good

I wish my wife got into it so I can more easily justify a bigger safe

lol i've used my allotment of the "wife's patience" for the time being. I have a transfer coming in on Wed (And yes she knows about it lol)... after that I need to "take a breather" ...... until my next batch of P2P's come in anyway .. then im on the clock again.

I'd love to go myself and get one but then id have to be all:

the simple solution to this would be to eliminate the POC system so that the nics check goes directly to nics, not through the state pd. they have no need to be involved in the process in the first place.

LOL, zero credibility! I'm not in this game for your approval of my credibility. I deal in FACTS. NJ NICS was never maintained to be able to be "instant" at anything, and that includes making Sanka brand "instant coffee"! I don't like the delays either! NJ still has thousands of residents in the dark. Like Hurricane Sandy DARK! I don't know where or how redundant NJSP servers are or how long they were w/o power or if any electrical equipment got damaged due to a surge. How credible would I look if we as a group sued the state of NJ & then they hire an expert to testify that the system was down due to a cascade effect? Can we count on YOU to pay for the law suit when we LOSE? Let's just agree to disagree ON THIS SINGLE ISSUE and look forward to marching in Trenton TOGETHER AS A UNIFIED ENTITY on Monday March 26th, OK? BTW, CNJFO is having an Executive Board meeting this Wednesday night. Members can sit-in and hear firsthand what we're doing (can't unzip our fly's in public HERE). Are YOU a MEMBER? What's your REAL NAME? Want a seat at the table? Email me! Dave Rosenthal, VP http://www.cnjfo.com [email protected]

Can we please stop squabbling? @Indianajonze... You may not agree with Rosey's point, but lawsuits DO, in fact, cost money and these 2A orgs - (now that we're in the Murphy era) - are no doubt considering several additional lawsuits. That said, they're going to have to choose the issues that provide the most "bang for the buck" to spend money wisely (as members should want them to). Looking at the WALL of anti-2A legislation/issues ahead of us, not to mention all the problems we normally deal with, how does this issue compare to: gun seizures without due process? magazine limits? outlawing certain types of guns? permits that take 6 mos or more? Would you rank this latest NICS delay at the top or the bottom of that list? Rosey merely offered an opinion. Why give such a heated response? As a group, we really need to stop "shooting the messenger". We whine that the 2A groups won't post on here... but then when they do post, we go into insult & attack mode. I know these issues are frustrating... I get that, I really do!... but the personal attacks are just so damn counterproductive.

Savage points, 2

Just read that DJT is backing off raising age to 21. The white house proposal, published today, addressing gun violence and school safety does not have any age restrictions. Trump dangled it to shut up some people then said "PSYCH!"

This thread 16 replies. Florida raises age to 21 thread, 108 replies. njgf seems to be all bark and no bite. This rally will separate the sheepdogs from the miniature poodles.

There's a reason why the tried & true are tried & true. CrossBreed, Alien Gear, Remora, etc.

infamous...when you bought your upper did you find one without a flash hider or did you have the shop swipe it out for a break? I have slower that’s sitting all alone and have been searching for a complete upper but always get “iffy” that they’ll send me a non compliant one

Because a rso shot the lights with it

Skittles They’re also useful when your blood sugar starts getting low late in the afternoon.