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To EVERYONE: Here's the background and a slight correction! One of our newest CNJFO members broke the story on the Lacey Township Chatter Facebook page. I grabbed it (a screenshot of the offending RULE) and added a file photo of two girls in hunter orange being supervised by one of their Dads as they take turns shooting clays at Clinton WMA. We printed a disclaimer that the girls weren't the subject of the story, which some "phone people" overlooked before they shared the story. If we had a photo of the boys in the story we would have used it, but since the family of one boy was fearful of its' usage we couldn't find it before "going to Press". Using a file photo to illustrate a story is "fair practice" as long as the disclaimer is part of it, and news agencies do this all of the time. Seems the hunter orange got folks' attention (as I hoped it would!), and it went viral, so "Black Wire Media" & CNJFO got some real attention, which is great! Since the young ladies weren't the subject of the Lacey incident, they weren't named in the photo and neither was I (I'm the fugly guy with the brown CNJFO Lehigh Sporting Clays Tournament sweatshirt that wants to "remain in the background" since I want CNJFO to outlive ME, lol). FYI, the image was captured by one of the girl's Dads during or immediately after a NJGF Meet-Up at Clinton WMA! The timing of the story couldn't have been better since the one month anniversary of Parkland incident was on the same day my story went around the world. We vetted the story several ways, using the Lacey Chatter page, as well as actual accounts of OTHER parents who's sons were told they'd face suspension if they didn't take 2A & other firearm-related stickers off their vehicles they drive to school. One such kid MAY GO PUBLIC TODAY at the urging of our Communications Director Theresa Inacker. So far we've been bombarded with media requests for additional info and interviews, so I've directed Theresa to handle all of this for us (you'll see her name quoted instead of mine, and THAT's what I want since the STORY isn't about ME!). This story is REAL! There are TWO sets of RULES: One for public consumption off the School's website and the original handbook distributed TO THE STUDENTS which contains the UNCONSTITUTIONAL wording of "ON OR OFF SCHOOL GROUNDS". One of the Lacey students in question is alleged to have tendered an application to Annapolis (US Naval Academy), and is fearful that this publicity will harm his chances. We're also working that angle. Additionally, we've been in contact with several sets of parents who have Lacey HS offspring, and have put them in-touch with lead counsel Daniel Schmutter from ANJR&PC. This ongoing story will have further developments I'm sure. Hat Tip to NJ Concealment Furniture's Dan Ingram of hampton, NJ for posting the link to the Lacey Facebook page where the SH!TSTORM originally went down! Dan is a personal friend as well as a CNJFO sponsor & Clays Tournament participant. If anyone would like to support or join us in the fight, we'd welcome the help! Thanks for your kind attention! Dave "Rosey" Rosenthal, VP http://www.cnjfo.com

Two students from Lacey Twp. High School were given 5 days in-school suspension because they posted pictures of themselves on Facebook with/near GUNS! You read that right! Lacey Township High School placed the pair on 5 days of detention for posting pictures of themselves taken at a RANGE onto social media that contained firearms with the caption of "fun day at the range" ANJRPC is on it

Keep them short and to the point. "Guns SAVE Lives" "The 2nd allows the 1st" "More Guns, Less Crime"

Posting this in its own thread as it seems timely. Why are we allowing the liberal left to determine the narrative and course of action in protecting our children? We clearly accept armed protection in many facets of our society. We pay men to carry guns to protect pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters being transported from stores to banks as well as deposits. We accept armed guards in banks. We accept armed guards to protect famous people and politicians. We accept high police presence in major events. We accept armed security in jewelry stores. Yet public schools that are clearly suffering from being targeted remain largely unprotected. Why is that? I have had a number of police officers relay stories to me on how they were picking up or dropping off their kids to school in uniform and were in some cases asked, in others told, they were not welcome on school grounds while in uniform and carrying a weapon as it made some staff members uncomfortable. Add all the gun free school zone rhetoric and all the resistance to police and armed security in schools and it becomes clear that the liberal left bias is what is keeping our schools from being properly protected. Why are we tolerating the least qualified group to assess and mitigate the risk to our children? My lawyer doesn’t prescribe me medication and I don’t ask my doctor to do my taxes! Is it better if our kids are stabbed to death or blown up instead of being shot? Countries like Japan and China have suffered school killing sprees at the hands of evil men with knives that rival the number dead in American school shootings. Many are completely unaware that Columbine was planned as a bombing. Those two perpetrators had planned to bomb the cafeteria at lunch and then detonate a line of explosives out front specifically directed at the police, fire and ems first responders. So that would indicate to me that focusing all this energy on gun control is a complete waste of time and effort. Not to mention that Columbine was perpetrated with pistols, shotguns and a pistol caliber carbine. See something say something? Clearly that isn’t working either! Case after case reveals everyone said something to include to the top Law Enforcement agency in the country! The evidence is already in front of everyone. People and systems will fail. Other people will never trigger the system to begin with! Look up John David LaDue for a case study of a threat that could have easily went undetected if it weren’t for a timely glance out of a window. Is arming teachers and faculty the answer? In my opinion it is not. To me it is a half measure. I believe that people should have the right to defend themselves. However, armed faculty are not going to have a duty to run towards the sound of gunfire! There may be a few that think that way but I don’t think that will be the vast majority. Why are we exploring half measures instead of embracing the fact that the only way to protect unarmed people is with armed people assigned to their protection! This is evident everywhere else in our society. I would think that every town in America has the ability to add to its police force and assign them to their schools. This might actually help with the drug problems that seem to be affecting just about every school in America as well. But Im not talking about adding 1 person for 3700 students. Clearly no risk and response analysis went on there! But this would cost money. Is that an issue? Are we going to spend money to protect money and valuables but we as a society are unwilling to spend money to protect children? I don’t think that’s the case. My conclusion is that we have fallen short of putting the correct response in place because we cant get past hurting the feelings of the liberal left that have infested the school systems. I don’t want to hear their cries about creating a police state in schools. I don’t want to hear one more stupid plan to have all the kids throw books or soup cans at an assailant! I don’t want to hear about teachers having a session in school with nerf guns to work out their own strategies. I hate to inform the faculty but the fact of the matter is that every kid with an X-Box has more tactical prowess than the vast majority of teachers at any school. I want to hear from experts that have a proven track record of providing actual security. Does it sit right with everyone that all of congress operates in an armed, protected environment but it’s unthinkable by many of these politicians to provide any armed security for our children? In my opinion, this is why NOTHING has changed. The evidence is overwhelming that banning anything never solves anything or actually protects anyone. Banning only insures that the bad guys are better armed than the law abiding good guys. Lets not forget that a good guy with an AR15 stopped the church shooter in Texas. You CAN’T ban evil determination. I will be just as heartbroken for every child killed by a gun, a bomb, a knife, a sword, or a gallon of gas. I want them protected from as many threats as possible with someone capable of providing that protection. The time for allowing the liberal left to determine the protection for everyone’s children needs to end! We need to counter the bleating of the liberal left with a solid loud voice of logic, reason and something that will certainly be more effective. The much vilified NRA is the only organization Im aware of that actually studied the security issue and submitted professionally derived plans against such tragedies. Im not aware of any effort put forth by organizations like the Brady Campaign or any similar organization.

I had every intention of attending any and all of these rallys. However, I will be traveling to Atlanta on business for the final week of my project there. In lieue of attending the rally I will be making an additional round of contributions to all of the 2A organizations I am a member of(see my signature). If my travel plans change, then I will be there. In any event, hoping the weather is good that day for everyone.

Wow, just unbelievable! Are they suspending kids who have pictures on social media holding baseball bats? Those are weapons as well. How about gold clubs? Pics of kids practicing MMA? Ya, know, just to be safe. If those were my kids my first call would to be a lawyer then the school. Sue them for everything possible. Emotional trauma, damage to reputation, etc,etc. They would be renaming the school my kids name by time I was done.

Think of all the children that have been saved because we can't have a pistol grip on a semiautomatic shotgun!!!

Saw this from Lacey Township Chatter on F.B. It's from one of the kids involved.

All you need to do to verify this is read some of the UK trap, skeet and sporting clays or hunting boards. There are all kinds of restrictions still being pushed against sporting gun owners by the grabbers there and they took most weapon ownership away from the citizens already. It will not end with “assault weapons”, it won’t end with semi auto weapons, it won’t end with capacity limits or large caliber bans. The UK and EU are showing us exactly what the grabbers wasn’t here. There is no compromise great enough to stop them, it’s like trying to negotiate with a bunch of sharks to let them eat your arm. Eventually they circle back to take a leg, then another arm. The end result is the same. JMHO -Jim

My gun safe is my Safe Space. Lose the 2nd, and you'll lose the rest I am my family's armed guard Legal Firearm owners don't deserve to be turned into criminals Give me back my right to not be a victim

LMFAO.

I'll answer your 5 questions 3 sir! I'll answer your 3 questions. Magazines are different. The sp2022 mags are slightly thicker and wont fit at all into the 226, and while the 226 mag fits into the 2022, the mag release cut is in a different spot and locks in place too low to feed. Never tried a 229 mag, but I assume they are like the 228, which (some?) can take 226 mags. Woulda been nice. Controls are similar, not quite exactly the same, but close enough most sig users wouldn't/shouldn't have any problems. 2022 controlls are more ramped and give a slightly better purchase, but also sit slightly lower and a poor grip might engage the slide stop easier on the 2022. Can't say I have had a problem on a classic or a plastic sig i've handled yet though. A generic enough holster is compatible, like the sig branded OWB one that fits from Mosquito through p22x models. From memory, the 2022 is slightly thicker on the slide. I haven't really tested anything beyond a serpa, and I don't recall the two working well in the other's holster. Parts, only rail mounted stuff, maybe sights, and possibly certain internals (like springs) could be common between the two. Seems like Sig wanted something different from the classic P22x line for their first polymer pistol, but I kinda wish they had figured how to make a polymer p229(ish) - woulda been nice to share mags, holsters, etc., and tap into existing owners and parts. That said, 2022 stands perfectly fine on its own as a distinct pistol.

"Zeke for mod"

Math isn’t your strong suit is it bud?

maybe if they wore hitler youth armbands like that little nazi pos from florida they wouldn't have been suspended?

Semi auto shotguns with pistol grips aren't legal in NJ

You have no revolver

Will be there.....ordered a shirt

Not sure what you have but if you don't have a revolver, I'd always recommend one. From your list, I'd get the 1911. @Purple Patrick had one for sale a while ago, not sure if that went. Good luck.

Can we please stop squabbling? @Indianajonze... You may not agree with Rosey's point, but lawsuits DO, in fact, cost money and these 2A orgs - (now that we're in the Murphy era) - are no doubt considering several additional lawsuits. That said, they're going to have to choose the issues that provide the most "bang for the buck" to spend money wisely (as members should want them to). Looking at the WALL of anti-2A legislation/issues ahead of us, not to mention all the problems we normally deal with, how does this issue compare to: gun seizures without due process? magazine limits? outlawing certain types of guns? permits that take 6 mos or more? Would you rank this latest NICS delay at the top or the bottom of that list? Rosey merely offered an opinion. Why give such a heated response? As a group, we really need to stop "shooting the messenger". We whine that the 2A groups won't post on here... but then when they do post, we go into insult & attack mode. I know these issues are frustrating... I get that, I really do!... but the personal attacks are just so damn counterproductive.

Pappy and Baby Extremes... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

School Board Meeting is scheduled for this Monday. Open to the public. Everyone gets a chance to speak. https://www.laceyschools.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=9797&dataid=14885&FileName=LTBOE 2018 NOTICE OF MEETINGS Revised 03.18.pdf

They have been around for a few years... heard both good and bad reviews of them. But that isn’t a bad price. Personally, if I want a non-hollow point for a specific reason, I look at Hornady loads with their FTX bullet (from the Critical Defense/Duty line). My go to ammo choice for my LCP.

"Remember your Oath"

How's this.

Now how would that help to further the agenda of repealing the 2A and confiscating all guns from the citizens?

I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly. I don't understand why your average corporate campus has far more security than a comparably sized school district. We have really let the gun control side hijack the gun topic from ALL angles - school security is just one. In all fairness though, I think that's because the mainstream media is so obviously aligned with the gun control side... the media won't even publish other viewpoints. That's a real problem!

Well, here’s some detailing the current laws and some of the proposals. You’ll note they use the “common sense” phase there too... http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/start-shooting/do-you-want-to-get-into-shooting-32172 https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171215/uk-working-on-new-air-gun-restrictions https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/27/uk-gun-laws-law-commission-reform-public-consultation http://www.bbc.com/news/10220974 http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/tag/gun-laws

Something in .22, or a centerfire revolver

...on his bold spot.

Just bought a new pistola at RTSP around 1:30 this afternoon. Rec'd e-mail from RTSP at 3:30 that NICs cleared. Looks like they are back up.

NJ has a great competitive shooting tradition, and has produced some outstanding junior shooters, including national junior champions (both individual and team) in rifle and pistol events. They’ve set national junior records, they’ve been named to the national team, earned college scholarships for varsity shooting teams, been nominated to the military academies, etc. etc. Four-time Olympian Matt Emmons got his start as a junior shooter in Mt Holly. This, of course, requires that the schools don’t try to implement such friggin moronic, overreaching idiotic, brain-dead, totalitarian control over what their students do in their free time. This policy, if it’s really as described, won’t stand long. But I’m furious that a school thought they could get away with it

Based on some of his political speech i would debate that his mind was intact.

I have an original 80 Lumen TLR-1, and a 120 Lumen TLR-1S. Lens is broken on the TLR-1 but it still works. Still plenty bright enough at night in the dark.

One of the requirements of being a man is admitting you are wrong, and owning up to it.

You just covered a lot of apologies for a lot of things, Ray

The large caliber platforms are not standard. There is armalite ar10 and DPMS LR308. There is greater breadth of products for the LR format. I’ve done a bunch. OP for 6.5 C I’d get a 20 MOA mount. If you ever stretch it out you’ll quickly run out of adjustment.

Heres a statement that is so true across the board. Since im a nursery farmer. Here it goes. Farming is is easy. You only need to know 100 things. And you learn one every year.

That info goes into your file and if they ever get a call for service to your home depending on the nature of the call they will adjust their tactics accordingly. The less they know the better... there will never be a scenario where you will be thinking if I had only informed the police of my firearms I’d be better off... it only goes the other way... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

jp enterprise

I have the Nikon Prostaff 4-12x40 on my Ruger 10/22. It's a very nice optic for the price. I have it sighted in very well and it's lights out at 75 yards. 100 yards I am still on steel most of the time, past that it's hit or miss (or maybe it's just my aim). Definitely recommend either the 3-9 or the 4-12. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If the cops come to your house with a search warrant you have bigger things to worry about then illegal mags. Don't ask don't tell...INCLUDING here.

CONSTRUCTIVE INTENT

Don't be so naive about that. I remember at Range 14 there was a RO going around with a stick to check mag limits on AR mags. I've gotten questioned about my mags before.

Are RO's going to round check mags to see if they are 10/30 or 15/30? No. I purchased them legally. The law is supremely stupid and will likely be struck down in court (since a lot of people will have been "harmed" by it) especially seeing how NY's mag ban got struck down for being arbitrary.

I have *slightly* more respect for certain persons here, than I did mere minutes ago.

Keep them... I bought them legally, they get nada! As I said before. My Rules: Want my shit? Fine...you can have it. - I want MSRP at time of purchase for everything you want plus 10% for my trouble. - I will take money, move, (which I am already), and re-purchase un-demented, un-retarded, un-butchered new guns as they are meant to be. So essentially? If not? I extend the American wave....

It is a personal decision.... But I see no scenario where I can be arrested for having the magazines in my house. They would need a warrant to search, and for what reason would they get such warrant? And as far as a HD scenario..... I would have NO issue facing the charges for the 15rd mags if it meant saving my and/or my wife's life.... I seriously doubt the prosecutor would follow through on the charges on a clean HD shoot....