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.223 and 5.56 use the same bullets, both are actually .224"diameter, it's the cartridge spec that's different. NATO spec ammo is not known for precision. But, as they say, it's good 'nuff for government work. Good accuracy comes about as a result of a combination of several things, bullet weight, profile, barrel twist rate, velocity, barrel quality. even the powder burn rate can affect accuracy. Finding good ammo is not difficult but finding the ammo that shoots best in your particular rifle is all trial and error.

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Smith 460 Bone Collector...awesome revolver...fires 45 Cowboy Special, 45 Schofield, 45 Long Colt, 454 Casull, 460 Smith & Wesson, 410 shotshell...luvs to reach out and touch its target at 50 to 100yds;)

As a service to NJGF members, I am offering a program which will allow you to comply with certain currently non-existent laws. I will take your 11-15 round magazines off your hands so you don't have to worry about compliance. For this service, I will have to charge you a small fee of $1 per magazine, or $20 flat fee if you would like to dispose of a large box of 11-15 round magazines. I will also accept firearms, again for a small fee from you of $25 per item (and COEs filled out). If I must travel over 25 miles to pick up your item, additional fees may also apply. I may opt to not charge any extra fees for certain collections on a case by case basis. Rate may vary if certain legislation passes. Please take advantage of my offer early and often, as the peace of mind of being compliant with laws that aren't even laws yet is priceless!

Might as well just sell all your guns so you can stockpile more of your beloved money.

Such BULLSH!T! It's SO easy shit-talkin' on a forum, ain't it? I would love to fix the problem & simply go-away, back to being myself: a mentor, a student of weapons craft, an IDPA and USPSA action shooter, a black powder competition winner, a BSA Shooting Sports Merit Badge Counselor, etc., etc. I gave up all of those things so I can be here being insulted by the likes of YOU, lol!

When would you sell them? After they are illegal? Who would by them? I got a bunch too but I’m getting out of NJ hopefully real soon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Colorado grandfathered the ownership of over 15 round magazines that were possessed prior to the bill. So people in Colorado keeping theirs were not breaking any law. In New York, an over-10 round magazine is a misdemeanor, and there are provisions that get you out of trouble under certain circumstances if you can convince them you didn't know the law changed. In New Jersey, an overcapacity magazine is a full blown felony, period. If you are going to be keeping the ones you have, the smart advice is to not post it on a public forum.

Anyone considering having more then 1 wife should definitely first consider a visit to a very good psychiatrist. My wife ask if we can renew our vows for our 20th anniversary. I responded with "I ain't making the same mistake twice"

Watch out!!! Some here may have pallets of mags. You may run out of space.

My rights don't have a monetary value. If all of us tax payers who are making the money that supports the Dems takers stick together they can't afford to put us in prison. Especially business owners. I go to prison my employees are out of work. That is even less tax dollars for their constituents food, housing, medical care, utilities, and Obama phones. Plus they would have to build new prisons to house us. Feds probably wouldn't be too happy either with all the lost tax revenue. Though I digress because too many look at the small picture and are only out for number one. Edit For the Record Shawn has the best idea on another thread but last I checked only 6 of us would commit to it.

Requiring a background check to buy ammo is like requiring a drivers test every time you buy gas...

Good video:

Typical distributor deal: Buy 5 of the same gun and get 1 free. Sell those 5 at cost and reap 100% profit on the 6th one.

Not all Pmags have the base epoxied on. The Bill addresses ALL >10 mags, not just AR mags, or all ready neutered ones. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

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I'm shocked to see many "Patriots" on this forum and a few other nj gun related forums selling off their 15 round mags before they are even illegal. All of you should take a lesson from the real patroits in states like Colorado and New York where very few people comply.

No matter what it is I’d find something to do to it. I’ll get a CZ someday, maybe.

Yes, and 11 Move members, including 5 kids entered the hereafter.

This, my dear, is how the city of Philadelphia has always rolled. And with white socialist Jim Kenney in City Hall, why would you expect anything different than what it was like under the black socialists like Nutter, Street and Goode the Bomber?

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There prices are very low. I think they have so many customer and sell so much stuff, that they purchase in bulk and can pass the savings to us (like Costco).

He does.

Please inform us of what gives you more qualifications to determine legality than anyone who has posted on this thread. Remove my post? No questions about legality on a public forum? FYI legality is discussed many places on this and other forums. Yes, I know my post said "firearms" because that's what the amendment on registration says. Not semiautomatic or rifles. Time for you to man up. You should have read the law before commenting on it. You are one person out of thousands on this forum who have no respect for me. Is that supposed to bother me? Expecting everyone to like you is kind of grammar school socialization. I have the mutual respect of many on this forum. I really don't care if you respect me or consider me a friend. I have much more important things to concern me.

You heard correct. A fine gun store.

I'm jealous of most of his stuff. Dude has good taste!

Summabitch read right into that one.

...and won't be any more illegaler than 15 rounders if/when the bill goes through.

Yep and NO lube

My wife hates that place. Last time I stopped by for some ammo and came home with the ammo I went there for as well as another gun and ammo for it. Good thing I have a comfortable couch

Unless SA only. Are not DA revolvers semi automatic?

There might be some logic to that. It's not like you get charged by the number of rounds you are over the legal limit, so why not go all-in?

I'm wondering the same thing. The Senate hasn't passed it yet and Murphy hasn't signed it yet (although, he probably will). After it's signed into law, there is a 180 day (6 month) compliance window. Even if Murphy signs it in a week or two, that compliance takes us into October, so you guys have all Summer to use your 15 round mags. If, by chance, there is some legal intervention by a 2A group, that compliance window could be put on hold. Aren't you guys NRA members?? "Stand and Fight".

Legal firearm owners. There are many (probably too many) firearm owners in Trenton, Camden and Newark, and they are generally not conservatives. Losing the tax base should concern the politicians in Trenton. NJ's highest paying taxpayer moved his residence to Florida and it sent Trenton into a panic. https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2016/04/18/new-jerseys-revenue-instability-exposed-by-david-teppers-move-to-florida/#7e98f0767309 I'd be happy to trade seven round magazine limits for Florida's or Texas' tax rates, but it never works out that way. The low tax states are generally strongly pro Second Amendment, and high tax states -- with a few exceptions -- are strongly anti Second Amendment.

These additional "gun" laws are nothing more than political retribution. The new bills do nothing to keep the public safer - they are just punishing people that are not Democrats. From my observation the vast majority of firearms owners in NJ tend to be non-Democrat, not all but at least 90% plus. By punishing law abiding firearms owners (the opponent) they hope that some of them might decide to just leave NJ for more firearm friendly states - decreasing the number of those that might vote against them, therefore cementing political power. This whole magazine limit (especially with no grandfather clause) is political vindictiveness disguised as "public safety". Its all politically motivated, nothing more, nothing less.

No, let's not do that. Let's not give them a way to legitimize this chicanery.

Not to sound trollish, but your focusing on mags for rifles that you will not be able to take to a range to shoot..... :shrug:

UPHOLD. NOT INTERPRET.

Literacy test and voting is to _____ and the 2A Pole tax and voting is to ____ and 2A Voter ID laws is to _____

I want this in a frame

So it turns out Justice Stevens doesn't believe in the Second Amendment, therefore he ruled against it. Isn't it the job of SCOTUS justices to rule on what the Constitution actually says, not what they wish it said? (Please take note, Justices Ginsberg, Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer.)

Because they have no idea how to address issues in NJ such as property taxes, state pensions, teachers union, or the money that's been poured into school systems in failing urban cities. They pick on easy prey to show they've accomplished something. NJ is ranked 49th in desirable states to live in and are in the top 3 of states people are moving out of. Maybe that should be looked at damn frauds that they are.

This is what I am talking about. Is the NRA perfect? Not by a long shot. But, they were there today. Not the SAF or the GOA.

There is the message and then there is the messenger. Almost everyone here has said that your message is interesting and may have merit. The problem is you, as messenger, are losing everyone. You may have been doing this for years but this week you have come into a new community, this forum. You don’t have any history here. You cannot expect this community to drop everything and drink your koolaid. You have to establish yourself somewhat. Instead when you get pushback you get defensive, impatient, and condescending. You may be the smartest person in the room but frankly your ability to deliver your message to a new audience sucks. On the other hand: I’d like to see a Shootist vs AVB debate. The post length alone would crash the Internet.

- oh, for god's sakes! Don't be so petulant. You've been here for less than a week... and now you feel you need to pack up and go because you decided that readers didn't: drop everything... do immediate research... and then fawn over your brilliant idea (as quickly as you think they should have)? Cut the melodrama, pls. As others have pointed out, yours is a provocative idea that would undoubtedly generate a not inconsiderable backlash. You thought you were going to pitch that idea and win converts in 6 days on here, huh? Are you for real?