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I went to a gun auction yesterday at Brown Bothers Auction House in Buckingham, PA. This was my second one there and the second time I came away happy - yesterday was more ecstatic, rather than happy. My father bought a Winchester Model 71 in 1956 from a PA state trooper. I always loved that gun and in the late 80's when Browning reissued 71's made by Miroku in Japan, I headed right to my LGS and put my name on the wait list. Money was tight then, but I knew I'd find a way. My folks were visiting for Thanksgiving that year and I told my dad what I'd done. He showed little reaction, but he was never a very demonstrative type guy. Imagine my surprise when at Christmas time, he presented me with his model 71, saying that now I wouldn't have to spend all that money. Probably one of the fondest memories I have of my dad. I should interject here that his 71 wasn't just any old 71, this was a Model 71 Deluxe with a three-digit serial number. I know that there is at least one person on the forum that also has a 71, but for the uninformed, the 71 is the finest lever-action rifle ever made. It was derived from the Model 1886 and was meant to be a gun that was capable of taking any North American game. It was chambered in a new cartridge, the .348 Winchester the mission of which was to replace numerous other cartridges used in Winchester's lever guns back into the black powder era, and to have ballistics comparable to the .30-06. It was/is the only production gun ever chambered in .348. So I was overjoyed to find a Model 71 in the auction listings. This was one of the Miroku 71's but it wasn't until I looked at the picture with the listing that I realized this was a Model 71 High Grade and it was ANIB. These had a silver engraved receiver with some gold inlay and used AAA walnut for the stock. Given the rest of the goods up for auction (a lot of milsurp - but a smattering of everything) I hoped that the crowd would not be the type to go for the embellished Winchester, and that I could "steal it". Though being an auction, it only takes one person that wants it as bad as you to derail your plans. I set a limit for myself and the bidding started. One other guy. We went back & forth in $50 increments. We got to my limit, but I sensed he was slowing (must have been his limit too), so pushed on. I went to $100 over my limit and he raised it by $50 at which time I bowed out. The auctioneer cajoled me, saying how much I'd regret it if I didn't bid one more time - and he was right. I bit the bullet (figuratively, of course) and bid one last time - $200 over my limit. But my opponent stayed silent and I won the gun. I didn't "steal" it but I did get it for $300 to $600 under market, so I was happy. There were some deals to be had there - a 6" Python from 1976 went for $2K. Another gun, on which I had intended to bid, but didn't after I went over limit, went for a bargain $375 - it was an NRA Centennial Winchester Model 94 Musket (I have the rifle). I also bid on a Model 12-2 S&W, 2" barrel round butt (impossible to find), but dropped out when it went too high. At any rate, here are some pics... Butt stock... Original 71 Deluxe and the "new" 71 High Grade (they are the same size - it's just the perspective)... Thanks for reading. Adios, Pizza Bob

The difference a woman makes!!! Both men are 71 years of age! Any questions?

Peel would never abuse her mod privileges. They have the poor lad bound and gagged in the basement and have probably waterboarded him several times.

If I only had one handgun? Going to give you the standard Griz answer. You can do just about anything with a 4" 357 magnum. Some details: Ammo- there's a wide range of power loadings avaliable OTC. From target wadcutters, std 38s, +P, +P+, to full magnums. With a semi auto you pretty much have to start with std loads as they are needed to have the gun function. A std 124 gr 9mm at 1100 fps gives you 333 ft/lbs of energy. A 125 gr 357 at 1400 fps gives you 543 ft/lbs of energy. You can pretty much get the power of a 9mm in a 38 +P. You can work up thru the power levels with a 357 until you can handle full magnums. Size- a 4" 357 is big enough to shoot well. It's not that hard to conceal. DO NOT BUY A J FRAME 357!!! AFAIC J frame 357s are there just to show they can be made. Not fun to shoot. Get at least a K frame size gun or better yet a L or N frame size gun. The Ruger GP100 is a fine revolver and usually a bit less expensive than a comparable S&W L frame. Flame suit ready...I like Taurus revolvers. More on that later. Reliability- semiautomatics have come light years in this category over the past 30 years or so. I've been a firearms instructor for over 40 years. Yes a revolver can have malfunctions. Over the 1000s of guns I've seen firing and millions of rounds I've seen more with semiautomatics malfunction. Over the past 25 years or so most of those malfunctions with semis are ammo and magazine related. Revolvers are not ammo sensitive and as long as the bullet gets out of the barrel that's all the power needed. I've seen 357s go 20,000 rds in trials with zero malfunctions. My 30 year old Taurus 669 lost the rear sight because the screw came loose after over 10,000 rds of full magnums. That's my fault not the gun's. The gun would still shoot. Taurus replaced it free with a 2 week turnaround. Other than that zero problems. I'll say something against what most people suggest. YOU DON'T NEED AN ACTION JOB AND LIGHTER SPRINGS ON A REVOLVER. If you decide to shoot USPSA or something like that those things help. You'll also only use that revolver for games. Smooth is most important than light. A DA revolver is harder to learn how to shoot vs a striker fired or SA auto. However if you learn to shoot a DA revolver well everything else is easy. S&W and Ruger comes with a pretty smooth trigger from the factory. Taurus not as smooth but will improve with use. Easiest way to smooth up a DA revolver is to dry fire a couple of thousand times. It will also build up the muscles in your hand and fingers so that "long, heavy DA pull" so many complain about isn't so long and heavy. If you're willing to come down to Ocean County I'll host you at my range and help you decide what you want. PM me.

My bet is he'll crack and be singing like a canary in under 30 seconds. Ummm....not that I know anything about that kind of thing...

Here she is as she was after I removed that horrid frame. I put the light on my Sig P226 instead!

Deep Woods Off. The higher the DEET level the better!

This topic has 50 posts and the Greenday bashing one about generations has 305. Just saying....,

If you’re getting a beretta get a Wilson combat version.

I’m not a big Beretta guy, but I got to mess with @shooter28’s Wilson Beretta at a Sights&Triggers class a couple weeks ago. It was the nicest DA/SA gun I have ever touched.

From the context of his posts, I'm going to assume that the OP is new to guns and shooting. NJGF had some of the best answers/advice, but I'll add that everybody should own at least one revolver (some of us own a few more than that). Adios, Pizza Bob

Oh yeah a chicken would probably be best, but there are too many predators by me and I don't have a fence yet. Looking for any feedback on what products work, and which don't.

This week on GunForHire Radio #366 Sivin joins us at the Blade Show in Atlanta. We discuss operation mag ban and address Progressive Personality Disorder https://gunforhire.com/blog/2018/06/03/the-gun-for-hire-radio-broadcast-episode-366/

Check any of your local clubs that have a 5 Stand shoots

I couldn’t agree more with the two previous answers. Removing power and reloading time from the equation, your decision should be based on how well you shoot the caliber and specifically the firearm. Personally I love my Sig P226 and shoot it significantly more accurate than than my S&W M&P. Both are 9mm, hold the ame amount of Ammo yet to me the “feel” is different based on the natural point of the firearm. In the end, accuracy and comfort should be what’s used when determining what to buy. You’re investing in your protection, spend the extra few bucks and rent a several options see what “fits” you best. Then make your purchase.

I shoot both and enjoy both. Revolvers can have malfunctions and when they do they can be catastrophic. If the cylinder wont rotate the firearm can be useless. Most malfunctions with a semi-automatic pistol can be more easily cleared (like a failure to eject the brass). Getting a revolver that can use moon clips (clips that contain a full load of cartridges for the firearm) makes reloading much easier and faster but still not as easy or as fast as a semi-automatic (don't tell Jerry Micalek that). As you said a semi-automatic magazine can hold more cartridges than a revolver which can be a big advantage. 9 mm is the least expensive centerfire cartridge. The difference in power is probably the least important. Getting your shots on target in a stressful situation is far more important. So if you shoot a less powerful caliber more accurately that would be better than a more powerful caliber that you often miss with. Everyone is different with this so renting and trying the guns you are interested can help you make a decision. fyi: I like Glocks. They are very reliable and easy to maintain. My bedside firearm is a Glock 21 (.45 ACP). For carry a Glock 19 is perfect or a Glock 43 for a smaller lighter firearm. If I could have only one it would be a Glock 19. Everyone is going to have their favorites though.

Strange, the day he started this thread was the last day he posted here! You know how the girls stick together.....I'll bet Mrs.Peel banned Zeek at the request of Mrs. Zeke!

Bens 99 percent deet. Kills ticks. And will cause cancer. Its a toss up.

Hopefully, that's all she cut off.

Ill be there with my girl thursday. First time i shot trap was last Thursday there. We had fun. So were doing it again this Thursday. Say hi. I’ll probably not look like the rest. Probably shooting an mk3 or pump hd benelli. Youll know us cause shes the tall thin young blonde girl. If you’re there say hello. I don’t bite.

Just shave, then you'll look like all the rest. Be the gray man bro'.

Well that's a bit extreme....I never did put that ugly frame back on the gun. That Beretta will remain with the original grips forever since it was meant to be. Thanks again for setting me straight!

Dislike button pressed, and deleted the picture in my quote. Also unfriended @JohnnyB

I magically got all my contacts back. I think it was stored in my phone's google account and when I logged in to google it restored the list. Sorry guys, you are sill on my contact list.

Sent.....added the question.... Moreover.....why was it 'ok' for 15 a few years ago; now its 10? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE???

Can't go wrong with Frontline for the dog.

I was just about to do a "cluck-cluck, there-there Mother Hen" thing... and you made up all by yourselves... so proud! LOL!!! Seriously though, I think it's great that people are taking a few minutes on a sunny weekend to do this. I like to think they'll have a tidal wave of emails to pour through on Monday. Speaking of Monday, I'm going to step it up and start making some calls next week, too. This whole situation has me ticked off. Time and time again gun control has proven ineffective, whereas targeted programs that go directly to career criminals/gangbangers, etc. seem to work very well. The laws they've proposed are NONSENSE.

@Ray Ray yu'huh.

I got 4 responses. 2 auto from Dems and 2 addressed to me specifically from Republicans. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not a shotgunner - I've only shot trap once - never skeet, but the search for "mini-clays" jogged my memory. Probably for the older members here, but does anyone (other than me) remember Mo-Skeet? I think officially it was Mo-Skeet-O, but we always just called it Mo-Skeet. Small clay pigeons (maybe 3" - 3.5" in diameter and you shot them with a pump-action .22 LR loaded with shot shells. IIRC, Winchester even made a smooth-bore .22 just for this purpose. I think I encountered it at Boy Scouts (and yes that's what accounts for my stellar character today). Adios, Pizza Bob

Only place I have ever seen them offered for sale was Champions (orange) at Cabelas, expensive as well (upper twenties for 90). White Flyer makes minis (60mm) in orange or black or another type (PRO70 at 70mm) , same colors, but a little heavier for sporting clays. Maybe a clays range would sell you a box? These small targets are not "bio", could be a consideration where they get "wacked".

I just found this photo taken last week at Hudson.

. . . . . . Okay, this has to be some form of entrapment.

[emoji16] I was joking since they apparently discriminate against black synthetic stocks! Oh well, I'm probably exactly the type of riff raff they're trying to keep out. I barely wear pants while shooting. 🤣🤣🤣 Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

And expensive. Paper shell only and dumb dress code. Not my kind of place! They are not racist, just "classists" if you know what I mean.

Ah yeah I think that's break action only... Not Fuddy, just hoity toity... lol

That's racist. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk