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I went to a gun auction yesterday at Brown Bothers Auction House in Buckingham, PA. This was my second one there and the second time I came away happy - yesterday was more ecstatic, rather than happy. My father bought a Winchester Model 71 in 1956 from a PA state trooper. I always loved that gun and in the late 80's when Browning reissued 71's made by Miroku in Japan, I headed right to my LGS and put my name on the wait list. Money was tight then, but I knew I'd find a way. My folks were visiting for Thanksgiving that year and I told my dad what I'd done. He showed little reaction, but he was never a very demonstrative type guy. Imagine my surprise when at Christmas time, he presented me with his model 71, saying that now I wouldn't have to spend all that money. Probably one of the fondest memories I have of my dad. I should interject here that his 71 wasn't just any old 71, this was a Model 71 Deluxe with a three-digit serial number. I know that there is at least one person on the forum that also has a 71, but for the uninformed, the 71 is the finest lever-action rifle ever made. It was derived from the Model 1886 and was meant to be a gun that was capable of taking any North American game. It was chambered in a new cartridge, the .348 Winchester the mission of which was to replace numerous other cartridges used in Winchester's lever guns back into the black powder era, and to have ballistics comparable to the .30-06. It was/is the only production gun ever chambered in .348. So I was overjoyed to find a Model 71 in the auction listings. This was one of the Miroku 71's but it wasn't until I looked at the picture with the listing that I realized this was a Model 71 High Grade and it was ANIB. These had a silver engraved receiver with some gold inlay and used AAA walnut for the stock. Given the rest of the goods up for auction (a lot of milsurp - but a smattering of everything) I hoped that the crowd would not be the type to go for the embellished Winchester, and that I could "steal it". Though being an auction, it only takes one person that wants it as bad as you to derail your plans. I set a limit for myself and the bidding started. One other guy. We went back & forth in $50 increments. We got to my limit, but I sensed he was slowing (must have been his limit too), so pushed on. I went to $100 over my limit and he raised it by $50 at which time I bowed out. The auctioneer cajoled me, saying how much I'd regret it if I didn't bid one more time - and he was right. I bit the bullet (figuratively, of course) and bid one last time - $200 over my limit. But my opponent stayed silent and I won the gun. I didn't "steal" it but I did get it for $300 to $600 under market, so I was happy. There were some deals to be had there - a 6" Python from 1976 went for $2K. Another gun, on which I had intended to bid, but didn't after I went over limit, went for a bargain $375 - it was an NRA Centennial Winchester Model 94 Musket (I have the rifle). I also bid on a Model 12-2 S&W, 2" barrel round butt (impossible to find), but dropped out when it went too high. At any rate, here are some pics... Butt stock... Original 71 Deluxe and the "new" 71 High Grade (they are the same size - it's just the perspective)... Thanks for reading. Adios, Pizza Bob

3 YRS & 44 DAYS AGO SHE WENT FOR A GUN PERMIT! HER NEWLY-INSTALLED CCTV CAPTURED HER MURDER! by Black Wire Media Monday June 4, 2018 www.cnjfo.com Carol "Cazzie" Bowne, age 39, was stabbed to death in her own driveway in Berlin, NJ three years ago yesterday as her newly-installed closed circuit video surveillance system captured her homicide. Her estranged boyfriend, who later hung himself, also died. This didn't have to be. It was entirely PREVENTABLE, and just one more notch in the Anti-Gunner's long list of sacrifices at the Altar of GUN CONTROL! 3 years & 44 days ago Bowne feared for her life enough to go apply for a hand gun purchase permit. She was at her wit's end! The permanent Restraining Order had already been granted, the closed circuit surveillance system already bought & installed, and yet the threats & intimidation continued relentlessly. Day AND night. At work, at home, everywhere. Bowne was powerless to stop the onslaught of verbal & emotional encounters. That piece of paper didn't mean a thing to her Ex! She complained to the Berlin, NJ Police on MANY occasions! They STOPPED LISTENING like in the story of "The Boy who cried Wolf"! Bowne needed not only a firearm, she needed THE Unicorn of Unicorns, that small laminated piece of paper known far & wide to law-abiding gun owners in New Jersey as a "Permit To Carry"! Why you ask? Because even IF she was granted the purchase permit on Day #1 when she applied, she'd still be DEAD, and New Jersey gun law would still have had a hand in her death! How you ask? Well, it turns out that gun owners in New Jersey aren't considered worthy enough for self-protection with a concealed OR open-carried hand gun, and in fact just over 1,300 permits for CCW are currently active in a state with well over 9 MILLION residents! Most of them are issued to retired Police, and the balance to private security, bank guards and the connected elites. So even IF she would have been granted her purchase permit prior to her murder, IF she chose to FOLLOW NJ GUN LAW instead of risking arrest & imprisonment for 7 YEARS by keeping her equalizer WITH HER, the gun would be locked-away in her residence during her homicide because even domestic violence victims have NO RIGHT OF SELF-PROTECTION and therefore can't keep a loaded firearm with them in a vehicle! Bowne was stabbed to death in her driveway, as she was exiting her vehicle. So she needed a gun WITH HER IN THE VEHICLE, right? Why is New Jersey so ass-backwards when it comes to women's' rights? Worse yet, in a deplorable show of anti-gun showmanship, and at a Press Conference with his new "sidekick" Attorney General, Gov. Murphy reversed an Executive Order enabling a streamlining of the time-consuming purchasing process "hoops" that need jumped-through in order to legally purchase a firearm in this state! So all of the tears, the letters that the Bowne family wrote to Gov. Christie, especially her mom's that got published in the daily newspaper of record, the Burlington County Times, they all fell on deaf ears with an AGENDA to disarm New Jerseyians instead of putting domestic violence abusers in jail where they belong and providing for victims' pursuit of self-defense! You want to know why "the gun community" is riled-up this week? It's because more stupid sh!t laws are on the way! And we as a community are fed-up and NEED YOUR HELP! So whether or not you own a gun, write some letters to the Legislature and do it for Cazzie! There's half a dozen coming down the pike, so pick one OR really get involved and do them all! She didn't have to DIE! How many more Cazzie's will it take for NJ residents to stop being sheep?

If I only had one handgun? Going to give you the standard Griz answer. You can do just about anything with a 4" 357 magnum. Some details: Ammo- there's a wide range of power loadings avaliable OTC. From target wadcutters, std 38s, +P, +P+, to full magnums. With a semi auto you pretty much have to start with std loads as they are needed to have the gun function. A std 124 gr 9mm at 1100 fps gives you 333 ft/lbs of energy. A 125 gr 357 at 1400 fps gives you 543 ft/lbs of energy. You can pretty much get the power of a 9mm in a 38 +P. You can work up thru the power levels with a 357 until you can handle full magnums. Size- a 4" 357 is big enough to shoot well. It's not that hard to conceal. DO NOT BUY A J FRAME 357!!! AFAIC J frame 357s are there just to show they can be made. Not fun to shoot. Get at least a K frame size gun or better yet a L or N frame size gun. The Ruger GP100 is a fine revolver and usually a bit less expensive than a comparable S&W L frame. Flame suit ready...I like Taurus revolvers. More on that later. Reliability- semiautomatics have come light years in this category over the past 30 years or so. I've been a firearms instructor for over 40 years. Yes a revolver can have malfunctions. Over the 1000s of guns I've seen firing and millions of rounds I've seen more with semiautomatics malfunction. Over the past 25 years or so most of those malfunctions with semis are ammo and magazine related. Revolvers are not ammo sensitive and as long as the bullet gets out of the barrel that's all the power needed. I've seen 357s go 20,000 rds in trials with zero malfunctions. My 30 year old Taurus 669 lost the rear sight because the screw came loose after over 10,000 rds of full magnums. That's my fault not the gun's. The gun would still shoot. Taurus replaced it free with a 2 week turnaround. Other than that zero problems. I'll say something against what most people suggest. YOU DON'T NEED AN ACTION JOB AND LIGHTER SPRINGS ON A REVOLVER. If you decide to shoot USPSA or something like that those things help. You'll also only use that revolver for games. Smooth is most important than light. A DA revolver is harder to learn how to shoot vs a striker fired or SA auto. However if you learn to shoot a DA revolver well everything else is easy. S&W and Ruger comes with a pretty smooth trigger from the factory. Taurus not as smooth but will improve with use. Easiest way to smooth up a DA revolver is to dry fire a couple of thousand times. It will also build up the muscles in your hand and fingers so that "long, heavy DA pull" so many complain about isn't so long and heavy. If you're willing to come down to Ocean County I'll host you at my range and help you decide what you want. PM me.

Over the past year, I have attended two “shotgun shoot outs” with other NJGF members and have enjoyed meeting and chatting with a number of members, putting faces to screen names, and realizing that in the flesh, we all are more compatible and agreeable than we are when we are just typing our thoughts online. Is there any interest in possibly seeing who might want to meet at one of the various indoor or outdoor ranges where those who are interested could meet each other, try shooting our various handguns, rifles and/or shotguns? I appreciate the sane fun and camaraderie that these types of get-togethers' foster. Cherry Ridge is one obvious option and I am sure there are others around NJ that would also be a possibility. Just curious… If anyone is interested, maybe one of our moderators, @Mrs. Peel, could start a new thread about it….. AVB-AMG

Got a Bluetooth obdII reader on amazon for $10 and the torq app for $5. Best code reader ever. Likely cracked the shell on the pad wear sensor when pounding away. They cost almost nothing. 10-20. I think most of the big box auto parts stores read codes for free also. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Send him my way. I still have mine as a reminder of my incarceration. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

This is New Jerkey. !!

I can't imagine anyone ever being prosecuted for that.

Range-14 is probably the best bet, but it's a haul for many people. I live in Monmouth, by the shore, and it's almost an hour ride for me. In spite of that, R-14 is very doable. We have several members here, including myself. All we need to do is get there early and claim two or three tables. If we are first on line, then we can get tables next to each other but we cant just walk from table to table with uncased firearms. It's not as relaxed as the WMA's are. Each member is allowed three guests, for a total of four on a lane at one time. Let's say I get a lane for four hours. Each +1 can tag in and out, just as long as there are never more than four at a table. Newly arrived shooters may tag in at any time if there are less than four on the lane.. R-14 has just this year implemented a day pass. So, instead of signing up as a full member, just one person has to get the pass. It costs $20 for the pass, and $4/hr per shooter. So, if a party of four want to shoot for two hours, it's 20/4 + 4*2. So that'd be $13 for each person in the group. We can absolutely do a R-14 day, but it will require a bit more planning, firm commitment by attendees and more discipline on the firing line.

@jm1827: I will echo the advice above provided by @Parker, who also provided me with some very informative and valuable insights when I had just started my search for an O/U shotgun several years ago, (as did both @lunker and @Rob0115). Here are several additional links to some web articles on affordable O/U shotguns: https://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/guns/shotguns/double-guns/2012/11/best-over-under-shotguns-less-1000 https://gundigest.com/reviews/shotguns/affordable-overunder-shotguns https://www.range365.com/top-10-clay-guns For what it is worth, I have been very impressed with the Griffin & Howe Shooting School at Hudson Farm in Andover, NJ. While it is expensive, it really is a first-class operation and their sporting clay set up is like a top-notch golf club, but for shotguns / sporting clays. I have taken a number of sporting clay lessons there, where I was able to "test drive" a number of shotguns from their wide selection. Shooting there in the fall season with the trees leaves changing colors, is a spectacular background in temperate weather conditions, complimenting the very helpful one-on-one instruction that I really benefited from. I have learned much from them. Based on this experience, as well as some here have suggested, I decided to splurge, going beyond my original budget for a shotgun to purchase a high-quality gun and ended up buying a new: Beretta 692 Sporting O/U 12-gauge shotgun (30" barrel). It has a light natural stained Turkish walnut stock and fore end. I am very pleased with this choice. Prior to deciding on this O/U shotgun, I shot some other beautiful, low production, finely crafted shotguns in the same price range but decided that the Beretta fit me the best. While it is an expensive gun I did get what I consider a good deal. I found the lowest price for this O/U online and as a member of RTSP range, after checking with their Beretta Distributor, they agreed to match that price so I could purchase it from them. Here is a link to this model featured on the Beretta web site: http://www.beretta.com/en-us/692/#Main This was an early Christmas present to myself back in 2015. I realized that I would be using this shotgun approximately 80% of the time for sporting clays and 10% for Trap and 10% for Skeet. Most importantly, as determined by others more proficient and knowledgeable about these things than me, I felt that this gun fit me the best, for the most part, of all the others I tried. In the spring of 2016, I took the next step and had my shotgun professionally fitted at G&H/Hudson Farm, as well has taking additional lessons. Yes, it was expensive, more than I had anticipated, but I feel it was well worth it, along with the valuable one-on-one instruction of the important fundamentals that I now practice on my own, as well as enjoying the beautiful natural setting and manicured landscaping of Hudson Farm. The fitting involved going through the process of measurements and shooting at a pattern board, then using some interested almost antique tools and devices, were able to make very precise measurements of what modifications should be made to the gun to result in more accurate shooting. Subsequently, their gunsmith steamed and gently permanently bent my stock slightly, as well as added a 1/4" thick rubber pad to the recoil pad on the butt of the stock. The final result was an immediate noticeable and positive difference in my consistent accuracy of breaking clays. Good luck in whatever you decide to chose and I hope it brings you many satisfying years of shooting.... AVB-AMG

I always enjoy interacting with NJGF member in real life. I've been to a number of shooting events, social events, and legislative rallies. Cherry Ridge would be really easy for me, but I would be open to anywhere else as well.

Actually, I'm going to defer to @Krdshrk - because he has more experience/history with this stuff than me. I think it's a GREAT idea... but I have a vague recollection of hearing it's been somewhat difficult to accomplish at private ranges like Cherry Ridge - because non-members had to be guested in - and that all gets rather complicated...? I could be wrong. Again, I'll let him weigh in.. he call tell us more. I personally (for purely self-indulgent reasons, LOL) would love to see a NJGF Rifle Shootout (either light or high-powered). I could even see some "roving shootouts" - moving to different ranges in NJ to give different faces an opportunity to attend. I'm spoiled by being a mere 10 min from Clinton WMA, where the Shotgun Shootouts have traditionally been held. But I realize it isn't so nice and close for everyone.

I'm NOT putting this in the 1A Lounge... so... mind your manners, pls, and your language! This is a REALLY chilling article about the influence of Columbine even on today's school shooters. It's about how that event lives on as almost a tantalizing goal for a small handful of angry, vengeful students: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/for-‘columbiners’-school-shootings-have-a-deadly-allure/ar-AAy0NKX?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz It's once again talking about the copycat or contagion effect of these crimes... and saying that the media is (inadvertently?) spurring more of them by the way that they report these stories. Many years ago, a large number of experts in the field of criminology, forensic psychology, etc. signed a letter asking the media to change their M.O. on reporting these stories - mainly, to STOP reporting the killer's name, STOP hyping the body count, etc. It feel on deaf ears. I do recall seeing the NRA call the press out on this in the past. Interestingly, David Hogg tweeted something the other day that I actually agreed with 100% - he also called out the media for their role in pumping up the popularity of these mass killers. Honestly... it seems there's a rare, overlapping point of agreement between opposing factions. I think the media has managed to skate on their own complicity for far too long. Their excited, breathless reporting... continually hyping the number killed... well, it's not only unseemly (ghastly, in fact) but experts seem to agree it exacerbates the problem. So, on the one hand, they feed the problem... then they turn around and argue why there should be more gun control! I'm wondering if we're nearing a tipping point where both sides will start turning on the media... and asking them to develop and comply with a new set of reporting standards?

i've gottan a couple auto-responses, and one that sounded promising......

Thanks guys. I have new rear abs sensors on the way.

There's a big difference in frame sizes between 12 & 20 gauges, in particular some Browning's, both in the Superposed line and Citori line, although the Cynergy line and the new 725 chambered in 12 ga. have lower profiles. Beretta 68X's have a lower profile compared to the Browning's. A 12 ga. Beretta is slimmer than a 12 ga. Superposed or standard Citori. SxS's (the original double) have the lowest profile, but not many are fans of these and most are thrown off by a pair of barrels that are sideways. Many makers tried to overcome this 'obstacle' with different style ribs, but you won't find them on a $600 SxS

http://www.wistv.com/story/38330717/homeowner-shoots-kills-2-burglars-with-ak-47

I dunno, I'd think he'd be good for lots of one word non-answers... (Sorry Zeke)

I've figured a few things. The shockwave is legal because it is not a modified shotgun, and doesnt meet the criteria of a rifle pistol or shotgun. Those firearms with short barrels are not sbr's, even with stocks, because they lack rifling. The firarms with pistol braces, are not rifles, with vfg are not pistol, and They exceed 26" not NFA NJ requires that they cannot originate as rifles, or shotguns, else they be considered a sawed off. However, nothing says, that I can find, that you cannot modify a pistol into a non nfa. Unless that falls under a manufacturing restriction. So this could very well be legal if it originated as a pistol, with a P2P. Or you could convince your FFL to sell the recieved as a "firearm".(edit, they are sold as "other", reciever, not rifle)

Fish nut - That's called auditory exclusion

I agree. While ive never had to fire a .357mag without hearing protection I doors I'd imagine if in a self defence situation with the adrenaline pumping one would probably not even hear the shots. Yea you will still have some hearing damage but like griz said better say "what" more often than be dead. Ask most hunters just after they have shot a bird or deer or another game animal if they heard their gun shot. I've shot allot of pheasants and I cant recall ever hearing my shot. The adrenaline would be pumping allot more in a self defence situation than with hunting. I've said it before and I say it again adrenaline is a crazy drug.

WoW! They are both real beauties! Would you mind my asking what #2 wound up costing you?

Another thing, practice with speed loaders and you can reload faster than most do with magazines.

Aluminum. I have a M9A3. Love the VERTEC style grips - fits great in my hands. They just announced the Black version but none are at retailers/distributors yet AFAIK.

From the context of his posts, I'm going to assume that the OP is new to guns and shooting. NJGF had some of the best answers/advice, but I'll add that everybody should own at least one revolver (some of us own a few more than that). Adios, Pizza Bob

Whichever you choose try and feel a 12ga gun versus a 20ga gun. Frames are different. One may swing better for you.

The difference a woman makes!!! Both men are 71 years of age! Any questions?

Save your money for a quality O/U if that's your preference, and buy a used one if possible. Often you can find good deals on them as others have mentioned. You don't need a 12 ga. for pheasant, but it is the most versatile gauge and offers lots of different loads if you prefer store-bought ammo. Over a pointing dog for pheasant, 12 ga. is overkill, however it is the preferred gauge for any of the clay games. I like 12's for hunting only if they are light, balanced and handy afield, and I will pick a 20 ga. or 16 ga. for upland over a 12 ga. every time. The difference between a 12 ga. with a heavy load and a 20 ga. with a heavy load gives the 12 ga. almost a 20% advantage in pattern density. The trade-off is often heavier weight to lug around and stiffer recoil with the 12. A good read: https://www.range365.com/why-choose-and-over-under-shotgun#page-2

I thought this was a pretty good article about Memorial Day and what it was Vs. what it has become. Personally, I find it distasteful when people say “Happy Memorial Day”. You may have fun spending time with family and remembering comrades but it’s certainly not a “happy” holiday. That being said, I’m sure if those we have lost were here, they would be making an effort to enjoy themselves right next to us. And, if they knew we were moping around over our lost loved ones, selfishly remembering what we lost, instead of selflessly remembering who they were in life through stories and memories, they’d be laughing at us and think us fools. The key to Memorial Day, to me, is to remember WHY you're out there enjoying a day off of work. To make an effort to spend it with family and friends. To remember loved ones lost and revel in honor of their lives and the sacrifices they made for us and our country. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/05/25/the_democratic_holiday_137097.html The Democratic Holiday COMMENTARY By Robert R. Garnett May 25, 2018 Chiefly observed as summer’s kickoff, a weekend of auto racing, shopping, American flags, and grilling out – Memorial Day was originally dedicated to solemn remembrance of the nation’s war dead. That’s still the holiday’s nominal purpose. It honors all kinds – well-to-do and hardscrabble, bright and dim, genteel and loutish. The only requirement, but a stern one, is dying in defense of the homeland. The discovery of the sunken wreckage of World War II casualty USS Juneau two months ago, far below the blue swells of the Coral Sea, offers poignant testimony to the rich democracy of Memorial Day. Best known of the light cruiser’s crew were the five Sullivan brothers of Waterloo, Iowa. A little rough, sometimes rowdy, they were seldom in serious trouble back home, but seldom up to much good, either. None graduated from high school, only one advancing past ninth grade. Father Piontkowski at St. Mary’s saw less of them than the Tic Toc Tap on Sycamore Street, near the town’s big meatpacking plant where all five at one time or another held low-level jobs. For those lacking skills and schooling, jobs were scarce in the 1930s. The two oldest Sullivans, George and Frank, served four-year hitches in the Navy. The middle brother, Joe (known as “Red”), worked at Schultz’s Sunoco for a time, learned how to change a spark plug, developed a passion for motorcycles, joined the Black Hawks motorcycle club, hung out at the Tic Toc, bought a Harley, and roared about town and country. His Black Hawk nickname was “Crash.” His brothers, too, became Black Hawks. Then came Pearl Harbor. All five promptly enlisted in the Navy, George and Frank for a second time. “I have four brothers and 2 buddies from my Motorcycle club,” George petitioned the Navy Department. “Otherwise, anyone of our brothers which there are five of us and our 2 buddies would like to stick together.” Honoring this request, the Navy assigned the five brothers to newly commissioned Juneau. More typical of the ship’s crew, perhaps, was 18-year-old William Meeker of Harrison, N.J. Just out of high school, Meeker was working at the local A&P when Pearl Harbor was attacked. He enlisted the next day. Soon he began writing to a neighbor back home, a girl he scarcely knew – Winnie. Meeker enjoyed Navy life. “Well,” he wrote Winnie from somewhere at sea in July 1942, “the fella next to me is writing to his girl back in Kearny [adjoining Harrison]. In fact quite a few fellas are writing home to their sweethearts. We’re all in the mess hall. Some are reading books for pleasure and some studying seamanship. Others just sitting and talking ... One fella playing solitaire and some of the other fellas just sitting daydreaming ... An evening on board. Kinda pleasant don’t you think?” While the Sullivans swapped motorcycle yarns on the mess decks, the sentimental Meeker worried about his mom and dad. He had a request for Winnie: Would she visit his parents? “I pray for them,” he added. Those feelings were reciprocated. When after four months the mail finally caught up with Juneau, he’d received 23 letters from his mother. Winnie had written, too, enclosing her photo, as requested. All Meeker’s longings began to center on the girl down the street, the one he hardly knew. He fancied them almost married, dreamed of a life together, of relaxing with “a pair of soft slippers, a nice big soft chair, and you,” adding: “I wonder if it will ever come true.” In early November, Juneau weighed anchor in New Caledonia, in the South Pacific, and set course for Guadalcanal. A few days later, past midnight, a dozen outgunned American ships, including Juneau,intercepted a Japanese armada approaching the island to bombard its critical airfield and the beleaguered U.S. Marines garrisoned there. With two dozen ships intermingled in the darkness, maneuvering blindly and exchanging salvos at close range – “a barroom brawl with the lights out,” one survivor described it – four American ships were sunk; a fifth was scuttled in the morning. Hundreds died, including two admirals. Badly damaged, Juneau survived the night only to be fatally torpedoed next morning, sinking in minutes. The earthy Sullivans, the romantic Meeker, and all but a handful of their 700 shipmates would perish – Annapolis grads and roughnecks; captain and humblest boot. Before the cruiser had sailed for the Pacific, Meeker had managed briefly to visit home – and Winnie. “If I were a little more impulsive I would have kissed you believe me I wanted to,” he lamented afterwards. The missed opportunity haunted him. Three months later, “I still can’t figure out why I didn’t obey my impulse to kiss you that day I was at your home,’” he wrote. “There won’t be any hesitation the next time.” The next time. How many young Americans in uniform have carried that wistful prospect to a grave far from home? For the Winnies they relinquished, for the never-realized homecomings and unlived summer days – all honor to them on this dawn-of-summer weekend, and as poet Thomas Gray put it, “the passing tribute of a sigh.” Robert Garnett is a professor of English literature at Gettysburg College.