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First things first. We need a new forum area called: NJ and Less I am so pist about politics in general but even more pist that our Rhino Republican, lying conservatives have done squat. So, in lieu of some posts on other areas combined into the political threads are the talks of leaving this effing state. So please stay on topic, no politics, no arguing and follow my lead starting with this sentence. (Consider it helping each other with an exit strategy)... I have a guideline. I’m not just looking for any old state that isn’t NJ. Here are my criteria’s, not in any particular order. 1) Is it 2A friendly. Guns and Ammo put out a list every year depicting a rating system based on that years trends. Here is the link: http://www.gunsandammo.com/second-amendment/best-states-for-gun-owners-2017/ 2) Amenities. We have to move where there is high speed internet. We can move anywhere in the country but wife will work from home and her company requires it. 3) At least an acre of land. I don’t want neighbors any closer than an acre. I’m not moving just to have neighbors close enough to hear me fart. 4) No HOA. If I want to hang a flag or paint my house purple, I want the freedom to do so. 5) At least 3 Bedrooms and 2 Baths. I can eliminate a bedroom and just put high speed internet in the bathroom beings she lives in it anyway. [emoji6] 6) Look at the towns crime stats. There are 2 decent ones via google. Area Vibes and Neighborhood Scout. I’m not sure they are perfectly accurate but if stats of the town is a 1 or an F, you don’t want it. The weird thing is my town comes in at a 34 which is kind of low because we don’t have much going on around here regarding crime. It might take a hit in points because we are next to the Paterson crap hole. 7) Watch for flood zones. Bring up a Fema flood plan of the town you are looking into. 8) How old are you? I don’t want to know but its a point. If you are handicapped or just a broken bastard like me, you don’t want to be trying to take care of acres of land plus your home. Which brings me to age vs injuries vs style of home. My knees are shot. I’m not getting any younger, so I prefer a ranch style home over the colonial I’m currently in now. That’s pretty much it for me. I have started a spreadsheet of criteria. It contains most of the criteria above. Right now we are concentrating on Tennessee. Anywhere east of Nashville. You can buy a new home for $230k or less. I say east of Nashville because we want no part of Tornado Alley. If you are very serious in moving, you need to stay motivated. If you don’t, you’ll never leave. Keep a binder with all your data and interests. Use it to keep going forward. Add and update as necessary. Keep it handy like on the coffee table so it stares at you. BTW, use Zillow. Much better than Realtor.com or Trulia.They also have an app that is fantastic. Make sure you sign up for free account. Also, put your current home in, claim it and edit its info to correct any missing data. They will also email you trends of your homes worth. Good luck! Front of binder: Back of binder: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

May be a little off topic but I just read this on facebook..... So.....legal mags are being made illegal and illegal drugs are being made legal? WTF! Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

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I want this ready yesterday. Where's the guesstimate of costs to prep and file from both organizations, and the link to donate to this in a dedicated manner? Not looking for gun giveaways, not looking for spirited talks. I'm looking for a project plan, staffing plan, and costs. Run this like a program in a successful company. With a sense of urgency and a transparency to ensure traceability and execution.

Inspection by both NJSP & ATF involve inspection of on hand firearms that are in the business's name (In the A&D book)

Tennessee or Texas. Pa is getting ruined by liberals from NJ

The stupidity that is liberal progressive NJ ! And they wonder why normal people are fleeing

Whenever I tell people that I'm moving I often get something along the lines of "oh you just want to keep your guns." Every day during my hour long (at least) 25 mile drive to work, I can feel my blood pressure going up. This state is designed to kill people. I'm leaving for a better life for my kids, a better life for my wife, a better life for me...and I won't complain about the 30 round mags.

I'm with you on leaving. But we sure as hell have to give a damn what happens. This disease is only spreading. No matter how far you run, it's going to catch up with us if we just ignore it.

This is the real push - do not be fooled - the real push is coming from the NE to SE states - " to do something " etc. And isn't it refreshing to make laws that do nothing and they actually admit it ? The sole and only goal is that they want ALL THE GUNS FROM ALL PRIVATE HANDS - *** ALL OF THEM *** - make no mistake about it - and frankly- I kinda hope it all starts on our watch (as much as it pains me to say ) - that way *maybe* just maybe our grandchildren can still be free men/Women in America. If you get out on the web and even if you take out the internet commandos and whack a doodles - there is a large segment of the population that I sear to God is just waiting to get it on and plunge this nation into chaos. This is both sides - they are forever pushing the other to "do something" and I never thought I would say it - I can and do possibly see civil war and secession over this issue

@Greenday My suggestion for you is to contact your hero, Bernie Sanders, and ask for compensation. I'm sure he can find some "rich" people to steal money from to help you.

I'm not concerned. F their Unconstitutional Laws. So much for the Super Top secret Sweeney Ace in the Hole. Giant waste of time sending emails. Thankfully it was copy paste and only wasted a couple minutes each day after spending 15 minutes figuring out app wouldn't work the first day. Is everyone now fully convinced that calling Dems and sending them emails isn't going to do anything? ANRPC and NRA if injunctive relief isn't filed for in both state and federal courts, and then lawsuits filed for every damn 2A violation this state has committed the last century, then you can piss up a rope next time you ask for money. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

*NO* magazine is worth the above - Granted the handgun is regg'd via paper but the long gun is not - so the above is not something that is tolerable - at least to me.

I used to carry an (unloaded) shotgun in my trunk at (almost) all times. When I was in an accident (some kid ran a red light at 10PM a few days before Labor Day, nowhere near a range for that matter), the cop asked me something about the rifle case once. He then proceeded to call it "THE ITEM" the entire rest of my interactions with him. No asking for FID. No asking to see it. No asking anything at all about it, honestly. He was more concerned with it being secured than anything else. Him constantly talking about THE ITEM was one of the only funny things about that night...

Not to take away from this thread, but for those of you that find you really enjoy yourself at this type of event, I'd suggest you check out IDPA or USPSA or both. If the bug bites you really badly you can shoot a match every weekend with only minor travel (<90 minutes). Just thought I'd throw this out there for your consideration. Adios, Pizza Bob

That's the thing. Its unenforceable..... *unless*.... You foolishly take them to the range, You have a domestic, You have a snitch, You have a kid with a big mouth or wife family member etc. You talk too loud and proud on a public forum, You have a house fire - You have a self defense shooting at home, Etc.... Other than that..... unenforeceable.

The Gov is going to France ( Paris ) I believe for some climate bullshit. I hope there isn't a muslim terrorist attack while he's there.

Well, knowing quite a few people from Turkey, I can tell you many are appalled by what is happening there. The Turkish people, by and large are friendly to Americans and until this current regime got into power a few years ago they were very much a partner with the US against extremism in the Middle East as a moderate Muslim majority country based on secular law. Many blame the US for allowing “Arab spring” and not speaking out when these exteremists took control in Turkey and Egypt. Egypt kicked them out but in Turkey they are dug in like ticks. I’m just saying, things change. Hopefully they change again there soon. Far as the 2022 goes, I have thought about those for a while. Well proven gun with police forces all around the world for a reasonable price using a similar design to the p226/220. Hard to go too far wrong with it. -Jim

Right...... that's the point. They cannot enforce this unless they are prepared to go door to door with warrants..... Or the other ways as examples show above. Someone said here it is not worth it to be a felon in NJ and lose your rights in free America if you plan to exit. If you plan to resist, you have to be very very smart about how you plan to. To me, as a person that is leaving, this is not worth it to resist further, here in NJ this far behind the lines with no relief column in sight I have seen it coming for over 4 years as we all have, and do not have one firearm that has a mag over ten. None of this assuaged the fact that it is BS, it needs to be fought legally and vigorously as long as it can be to the end .

Everyone and everything should almost cover it.

I'm sure we will hear shortly from Scott Bach and the ANJRPC what a great job they did. If they weren't such superheros, it would be much worse. They suck. The NRA...again, if they were involved behind the scenes, then they are equally inept and have not earned our money nor support. I'm tired of being told we have people working for us in Trenton. Really?

Every time you eat a waffle, kittens and puppies die. Since this isn't in 1A, I can't even tell you what happens if you eat french toast.

Lets' back off on the sarcastic personal attacks on the main forum area....

-----uuuummmmmmmmmmmmm---- Ok - I am not sure whom you think is running the show in this state - but i do not think you are going to get what you want.... Unless you are just starting to pay attention there are two schools of thought - 1) There are those that 100% think that certain folks are frothing and fomenting over all this to keep their pockets stuffed full of money 2) There are those that 100% think that the state organizations are working to all our best interests There is no middle ground....... I accept your point and it is well taken and not something that is out of the clear blue crazy to expect. But one thing in for sure - if the state organizations do NOT sue and do NOT bring massive force to play from national organizations, the traction they may have in state - is all but gone and washed away. *IF* the state organizations *WITH* national assistance do not take the state to task in court - this is only the beginning of the shafting the good people of this state will be taking. Lastly, life is way to short to deal with this drivel - if you can get out - you should. That is my recommendation to my children and what my ultimate plan is - yeah you can only run so far - but running to somewhere else with at least a chance is better that what is apparent in this state so far. I however *AM* hopefully optimistic that their will be an epiphany of support to see this difficult task through

Lecturers who use um, aah or similar noises when they are supposed to be presenting something they should know enough about to speak on. I stop listening and keep an “um count” on a notepad.

Ugh..... bs..... [emoji35] Stepping up my exit plan from this sh•thole! Geeze... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Nah, handyman misses his piñata.

I don't speak for either organisation so I can't tell you what has been done already. What I do know is in legal battles like this you play your hand as close to your chest as possible and let the timer run as long as possible before showing your next play. There is no gain in filing sooner and lots to gain by letting the 180 days almost run out before stopping the clock. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

2nd Amendment rights have been on a simmer since 1934, went on medium heat with the Federal GCA of 1968, and Jim Florio turned up the gas considerably more in the early 80s. (I can't remember what year the original NJ 'all guns are banned' statute went into effect.) As for accepting the fact and succumbing, that is a choice you can freely make. There are other choices, unpalatable as they might be. Perhaps some of us should be thinking about where our 'red line' is. If we have one.

The frog reference for those who did not get it! If you tossed a frog into already-boiling water, it would leap out. But a frog placed into a pan of water with a low flame under it will slowly be boiled alive, the temperature change being too subtle for the frog to notice. This is exactly what is occurring today with the breakdown of moral values. The boiling bubbles are rising all around us, and few people realize what is taking place. The problem is that most here on NJGF are well aware of our 2nd Amendment rights being on a slow boil for years now! Many Fudds and freedom loving citizens are unaware of the ramifications of a disarmed people and an armed government! There comes a time when either the heat is forcibly turned off or we all accept the fact that it will boil one day and it will be too late to do anything but succumb to it's inevitability! They have two of three already! We don't have much time left!

French dressing? Don't believe everything you read. You're probably one of those Earth is round people! Lol

That shit head would sign it on his death bed.

Aww man, why did you call? You're supposed to pay $300 and sit in a seminar all day for Nappen to scare you!

Bigger doesn't always mean better. This is Harold's NY Deli's Pancake: I gotta say... Waffles look and taste SO Much better.

Who was this person at your meeting (presuming CJ?)? I'd like to get in contact with them and help him/her!

One can not be charged for violation of the administrative code. There is no penalty for not changing your address. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

Just because a lawyer (who wants to protect himself from getting sued), and a cop - many who are actually clueless about the law says something - does NOT make it so. None of these things are written into the law and none of these people have provided copy of case law to support what they say. My FFL has repeatedly been told incorrect information by the people at the state police firearms unit so it is likely the firearms officer at a local police department is equally wrong. Sure can't wait to get out of the socialist people's Republic of New Jermany.

Am I the only one who's had about enough of Evan Nappen? I've heard him speak before, and I have one of his books. But I started to question his opinions when he made the statement that a loaded magazine can somehow be construed as being a loaded gun. Hard to believe; and when asked to provide an example of where this has actually happened? Crickets.... Now he's found some means under NJ law where it can be construed that NJ will try and extradite you BACK to NJ if you don't tell them you've moved out of state and fail to -not cancel- but *change your address* on your NJ FID card! Uh huh....Pennsylvania's going to send you back to NJ because you didn't tell them where to forward your mail, now that you've left the state? Who's ever heard of this one before? Personally, I think its tied to his gun law seminars. I'm told they are interesting/entertaining; but they're also used to hawk for "US Law Shield"; a $10.95 a month 'legal service' that provides some sort of gun law 'coverage'...searching the internet, its hard to tell what they really cover, and the reviews for its services are somewhat mixed. I guess its for when NJ tries to haul you back after you've finally left the people's democratic republic of NJ for free america...

I dunno, I'd think he'd be good for lots of one word non-answers... (Sorry Zeke)

Pork Roll

While I agree with those who say, if the authorities are in your house, you have bigger problems! A gun safe is obviously going to be one of their first targets. Therefore it's the LAST place I would choose to store anything illegal! You are not going to be using them in the PRNJ anyway so find a better place to hide them! A good quality Food Saver food vacuum system is great for most anything including ammo that you want to store long term. It keeps out air and moisture and allows for storage virtually anywhere! Oh and you might as well get some 30s when they are on sale and tuck those away as well. It's not like you can break the law worse! High capacity is high capacity. If your choice is to not comply, you might as well do it right!

Well, that and the people who keep not voting. Bad politicians are elected by good people who don't vote.

Just more proof our elected officials are fools. They seem to not understand the 80/20 rule of life. If 20% of something causes 80% of your problems then that is what you spend money on and go after. In this case they are claiming that the gun crime problem is caused by 80% of more by guns from out of state. IF true, and it probably is, then you spend your limited resources going after that problem NOT going after legal gun owners with tighter laws that are already followed by legal honest people. Their approach is akin to passing tough new MPG regulations on small hybrid cars because they have a problem with over the road tractor trailers using too much fuel.

The real problem is the no good rotten democrats that run this shit state!

This ^

This is what the State is using to try to push neighboring states to change their laws. NJ and Murphy are blaming PA and other nearby states (as well as a few further away) for all of NJ's gun crime. Not realizing that it's not an inanimate object committing the crime, but NJ criminals.

Start with weight for your twist rate.

Thanks for coming out to them. Glad to hear you've enjoyed them.

Even if all 1,000,000 NJ gun owners showed up, the traitors in the State House would not give two shits. They would have voted yes either way. We are not the constituents they care to listen to.