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Why are you getting rid of your mags now? There may well be an injunction in the coming days and SCOTUS is looking great for us! Keep what you can as long as you can! I spoke with a local gun dealer who told me a crazy number of people in the PRNJ are selling off their guns because they are afraid of what Trenton will ban next. I for one am not willing to give up my magazines, my guns or my Constitutional rights that easily!

Cops want to keep the mags? Let them. Find their worth per mag, determine what it would cost you to replace them, send municipality an invoice certified mail. They either pay or return them. If there was no product or funds receive after a period of time, file a lien against them. Then wait till they need a loan for the town. [emoji849][emoji6] No ticky, no washy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Whatever the reason the guns and accessories were seized, the gear, most of it anyway, is being returned. The OP clearly stated that. So, whatever the event was that precipitated the seizure, it's a moot point. You're just being nosy. This person didn't come here to give us all their life story, they just want some specific information regarding the impending mag ban and why a seizure turned into a confiscation. sheesh. One thing has nothing to do with the other. But, I do admit, I am also curious. We are ALL curious, but it's not cool to just outright pry.

One show biz lawyers interpretation does not the law make.

Bullshit. Practice makes permanent, not perfect.

She’s like # 9 or # 10 dude

Nappen is wrong, in my opinion, in part, and has been wrong in the past. The new gun laws have created new ambiguities which will have to be resolved by the courts if not enjoined. While it is true, that until the end of the grace period, you can possess a mag you own that is in excess of 10 rounds, it is not clear if you can transport that mag in a vehicle. . In my opinion a construction of the law that you cannot during the grace period, is plain wrong, because you may need to transport to dispose of it if you do not or cannot modify it. The only basis on which the police during the grace period could justify not returning them to you is that the return to you somehow qualifies as a transfer and that even during the grace period a transfer not otherwise authorized by law is prohibited. Keep in mind that a magazine, detached from a firearm, is not a firearm although it may be considered contraband if in excess of 10 rounds, after the expiration of the grace period or if it is in excess of 15 rounds before the grace period expires. An interesting question is, if the court issues an injunction on the 10 round limit, will the 15 round limit be effective or no limit. The issue exists depending on how you look at the new law is it a repeal and replace of the 15 limit or a pure amendment to the 15 limit.

You are not allowed to see this pornography. Your AG wants to control what you see, so DON'T LOOK! You may get TWENTY YEARS!!! . . . . .. . . . . . 1944 Inland M1 Carbine, arsenal overhauled at Ogden at some point. Not shot it yet but looks good so far!

Take the advice of your attorney and nobody else. No offense to anyone on the forum, but we aren't attorneys. If your attorney said it's ok, please share the circumstances of how your guns came to be taken by law enforcement. With all the recent law changes, we are curious about the circumstances whenever someones guns are taken and even more curious about when they are returned. This state doesn't seem to be very good at admitting when they are wrong and don't seem to be in a hurry to hand anyone a gun, even if they were wrong to take it in the first place.

Practice permanent perfection positively @Mrs. Peel?

You are correct. Give me a break I'm old I use old sayings.

I was a Deputy Sheriff for 7 years in a full service Sheriff's Office where we answered 911 calls and patrolled streets (most Sheriff's in NJ don't answer calls or have a patrol division). I was in an area of about 100,000 locals with 2 million annual visiting tourists to Mt Rushmore every year and another 500,000 to 1 million bikers coming to the Sturgis Rally every August. We had every crime the major cities have, just not always as often as they have it, but I know what its like to be a cop. Job #1 is stay safe and go home at the end of the day. That does not mean you can't treat people with RESPECT. We had a good relationship with the community because the effort was made to be professional, even when tackling someone and had cuffing them. I've had people apologise for resisting because I pick them up, dust them off and continue calling them sir as I put them in the back seat for that trip to jail. With my experience and training in the profession (I'm no longer in LE, I'm back in the military) I would agree with most of you that the culture within the law enforcement community in NJ is bad. These cops have the perception as being assholes because they are robotic and impersonal and talk to people like they're 2nd class citizens. They really have a bad way of projecting themselves and they are either not aware of it or do not care. I suspect it's a bit of both. They probably don't care that people don't like them because they deal with 1% of society but that 1% is always the bad people. It's easy to get into your mind that "everyone is a criminal" because everyone you deal with is a criminal. After a while, if 100% of the people you deal with are criminals, you think 100% of society is that way and you start treating them that way. What they probably are not aware of is the fact that a lot of citizens already have a disdain for the government as a whole because we are over-taxed, over-regulated and are sick to death of crooked politicians at every level from local school boards all the way up to the Governor. Cops are part of the same government so their image is affected by that as well. I'll end this here since its really off topic for the thread title.

Union PD already has a private outdoor range a block away behind the Home Depot, but good to see they're excited anyway.

https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/08/murphy_makes_yet_another_move_to_combat_gun_violen.html Murphy wants to "name and shame" states that follow the constitution, Hey A-hole how about naming and shaming the judges, prosecutors, and AG's who constantly release and plea criminals out. How about naming the criminals who commit these gun crimes and tell us how many PRIOR felonies they have as well as the JUDGES who keep letting them out to prey on us.

I came to this forum looking for some friendly advice. I’m about to inherit a large amount of ammo (to get it home I’ll probably have to fill up my truck 2 or 3 times) in calibers and quantities that I don’t really need. I was looking into renting a table at a PA or NY gun show but see on the application that I have to obtain a tax ID number for that state. I’m a little leary of getting an out of state tax ID number and any problems or headaches that might occur after registering a company that sells small arms ammunition. Has anyone done this recently and was there anything in the process that made it a problem or impossible? Does anyone know of any companies that would buy a large quantity of ammo and basically resell it? I know I’d be getting pennies on the dollar for it but I really don’t have the time or freedom with my work schedule to drive all over the state selling a few boxes of ammo at a time. Any advice on how to unload while making a little money would be appreciated.

I haven’t been going as much as I’d like due to travel and family responsibilities. I got there today before heading to the beach and starting my holiday drinking. Btw made a killer brisket. Well I brought a few things but couldn’t put this down. I SBR’d this and liberty made a custom mount for my mystic can. It was just great and I never got to my sp5.

this was EXTREMELY helpful thats for all the info.. looking at it like a big triangle made it substantially easier to understand..

Dude... he went to a range today. The range is where you shoot guns. Try and keep up short bus.

30 rounds mags on this. They make a 60.

People getting "dibs"... others watching from the sidelines. It's like someone threw chum in the water and the ammo sharks are circling! Sooo… ummm. when did you say that ad's going up?

It's going to take me two weeks or so to compile an inventory but I'll get it done and list in the classifieds - thanks.

Hi. #5 here...... and interested to hear what you have to sell!

I’m more the science nerd, but I think RichP has it right, it’s only the horizontal distance that matters...though that can be hard to determine. It’s hard to know two legs of the triangle, but in the case described here they are known.

We buy by the case... Or multiple cases... lol. If the price is right and ur local... I'm sure you could easily unload a bunch right on here.

pythagorean theorem there are a ton of calculators for it online. I used this one https://www.miniwebtool.com/pythagorean-theorem-calculator/

Welcome to the forum.. hit the introduction section and introduce yourself!

So if the Adirondacks are way up north in the snow, why do they name beach chairs after it?

Thank you to everyone who replied. It seems however that a few of you are becoming angry for not knowing every last detail about the original seizure- which was not the point of my seeking opinions. I was asking only abut the return of the magazines so that I could alter them myself. Comments from members (i.e. Sniper 22) questioning my motives are inappropriate and distracting. FYI - While I didn't agree with the original seizure over a family dispute I am not fighting the actions (inappropriate as they may have been) taken by law enforcement. There's no grand conspiracy or elaborate back story. We're a family of professionals - no criminals or drug dealing or violent histories - just a family dispute over estate issues. I'm sure more than one of you have had family problems! . I'm getting the weapons returned and don't need to take up a pissing match with the local idiot cops and be in court forever. LIFE IS TOO SHORT!! Again- thank you for the opinions and possible explanations behind the ambiguity of the subject. To those of you who question my motives- get over yourselves! Not everything is a conspiracy against you!!!!

Bullet drop is affected by horizontal distance only. Your making me use a calculator! so, if you have 84 ft of elevation and a measured distance of 876 ft (292 yds.) then your horizontal distance would be 872 ft. Therefore, you adjust for 290 yards and fire away. BTW - you do the same for downhill shots.

You can get a angle compensating rangefinder to give you the horizontal distance to the target, but as stated above, your shot will be slightly higher as the distance will be closer than 292 yards. To be clear, when I say slightly, we're talking about less than an inch at that distance.

I beleive you should expect the impact point to be slightly higher than normal(level). A bit more on that. http://www.rifleshootermag.com/network-topics/tips-tactics-network/hitting-a-high-or-low-angle-shot/

It ends up being 40% ish... a lot ish. Been saying it here ad nauseam .. surcharge is fancy word for tax

Enjoy your vaycay. I snowmobile up in old forge in the adirondacks. Never seen it in the summer, but in the winter its an awesome place! Ill post an awesome pic or two i have later. If anyone wants an awesome weekend trip, that place is it! Oh, and far as the tax thing goes, no fkin surprise. The initial gas tax hike along with the natural seasonal climb hit us hard. Between moving the house and business we put thousands of miles on our van, truck and trailer, each getting the usual crappy mileage (anywhere from around 7 or 8 loaded and hauling to 12 unloaded and no trailer and god knows what on the new van). Then the cars going up and down.. damn gas tax alone probably took nearly a grand out of our pockets between us.. lol... talking about just under 2 hours each way.... and for the house about an hr 20.... adds up when you do a trip a day. Dont even take the pickup up and down anymore, we put a hitch and brake controller on our new transit 250 just to haul as much as humanly possible with each trip. Never knew so much crap fit into our warehouse til we had to move it.. and we still arent done..

Practice perfection

Thanks! So they were right about it all along? And thanks to everybody who chimed in, a little bit more confident to ship these mags out(for now), unfortunate as the situation may be.

Anyone can use USPS for long guns. You must be a dealer to use USPS for handguns. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

I actually forgot to post the step by step pics I took!!! They're here - https://imgur.com/a/B7F2CCF I put the album together for my son who went away to college and missed the fun. The side by side pic is with a Ruger Mini-14, the girl is my daughter (very good shot for her age) and target from 50 yards when she tried it for the first time.

You can mail any gun part except a frame or receiver.

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Sorry to hear about your seizure. I'd recommend taking any advice you get from the forum with a grain of salt and consulting ith your attorney before taking any action. That said, I tend to agree with those who have said they magazines are yours to alter or dispose of and NOT the property of the police department. Unless they reimburse you for the full retail cost, I'd say you should demand them back. At a minumum you could sell them or trade them for different magazines. Good luck

Sorry folks, Stevie Wonder could see this coming. Notice how they structured the gas tax increase last time? They don't need to vote for an increase ever again. Al that has to happen is have the Gov certify that revenue doesn't meet the required level and - poof - the gas tax goes up. Get ready for it - tomorrow they all start claiming they don't support this new increase but it's out of their hands.

1) any of you that are surprised by this weren't paying attention. it was written in to the bill that they forced down christies throat. 2)avb….as usual, you're making excuses for them. if they'd been spending our money properly all along, then they wouldn't need this tax increase. in fact, from my undertstanding, the money collected on the increase isn't even going to fixing things, but rather to paying back loans......and this next increase will do the same. and they'll keep borrowing. against this increase. and they'll "need" another increase to pay it back.

There were four sophomores taking chemistry and all of them had an 'A' so far. These four friends were so confident that the weekend before finals, they decided to visit some friends and have a big party. They had a great time but, after all the hearty partying, they slept all day Sunday and didn't make it back to Penn State until early Monday morning. Rather than taking the final then, they decided that after the final they would explain to their professor why they missed it. They said that they visited friends but on the way back they had a flat tire. As a result, they missed the final. The professor agreed they could make up the final the next day. The guys were excited and relieved. They studied that night for the exam. The next day the Professor placed them in separate rooms and gave them a test booklet. They quickly answered the first problem worth 5 points. Cool, they thought! Each one in separate rooms, thought this was going to be easy... then they turned the page. On the second page was written... ......... .................... ..................... For 95 points: Which Tire? _________

No quotes... actual action

okay thanks for the clarification. So okay thanks for the clarification. So then with a long gun, I can leave that in my car even if I stopped to get something to eat Voice recognition doubles up for some reason

All my mags get loaded prior to the range. Especially if I’m paying by the hour. Neener neener! [emoji6] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

By the way, who wouldn't want a shotgun in their trunk? I never got around to it when I was still in NJ, but I seriously considered keeping an 18-20" Mossberg 590A1 in my trunk. In fact, I might still do that at some point...just need to work out the best way to secure it.

Nothing needs to be separate within the state. Just needs to be unloaded. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

Thank you. I'll take that under consideration. I was (and still am) pretty pissed and quite wary.