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Bought this beauty off 1563621 today. Apparently all original except the op rod is a National Match. Gauges 1 and 1 with a bright shiny bore. We have a date this Sunday at Range-14.

Yes, Aimpoint and Trijicon are expensive. No, they are not overpriced. As with most things, you get what you pay for - and no, I’m not referring to just the name stamped on the side. When shopping for anything, best value is the goal, not lowest price. And in my opinion, you get the most for your money with AP and Trijicon. You may pay more initially, but generally your money will go further before it all shakes out. I just traded an Aimpoint Pro for a Trijicon MRO. I’m excited to try it out. First impressions are positive - clear glass, no noticible magnification or distortion, crisp dot, uncluttered view, nice controls. Retail cost is between $370 and $430. That is pretty competitive with some of the “cheaper” Primary Arms Type optics. That being said, Holosun is growing on me. I bought a T1 clone (can’t rememebr the exact model number now and I’m not home to run down to the basement and check). I put it on my PCC 2 years ago and other than a slight issue when conducting an initial zeroing (the dot didn’t track - I had to bottom out the adjustment knobs for windage and elevation before the dot tracked with the clicks) I have been unable to break it. I am looking to get 2 more for other project guns. I am not at the duty/HD/SD level of trust yet, but I’m getting there. I will it’s that a few other guys that I know - and whose opinion I hold in high regard - are using them on duty and SD guns with no hesitation. In my line of work, that’s a clue.

This shows part of the strategy of gungrabbers. If they were to say WW2 small rifle that would be too broad a definition. That would probably include rifles such as the Carcano carbine and Enfield Jungle carbine both of which are about the same size and barrel length as the M1 carbine. The M1 carbine was easy to pick on. It was unique as few non-military rifles chambered for the cartridge. The only one I know of was the Marlin Levermatic. There were a lot of them around. IIRC 6,000,000 were made. It is not a popular hunting rifle as the cartridge is underpowered for that use. The M1 carbine was designed as a personal defense weapon and it works in that role well. Most of the shortcomings in this role are overcome by using a soft point or hollow point bullet. It also has a unique appearance. The AWB is a good example of a "feel good" law. Any of the calibers they are made in are no more effective in a semi-auto than a bolt action. All the evil features are just cosmetics. The fact long guns are not the weapon of choice in crime has nothing to do with it. The FBI UCR show exactly 1 homicide committed with a rifle in NJ in 2016. That's out of 372 homicides. Using stats from that year you were 29 times more likely to be murdered with a cutting instrument and 23 time more likely to be killed by physical force. I'll give you even odds that the one rifle homicide was not committed with an assault weapon, neutered or otherwise. The gungrabbers are already trying to take them all. The proposal to make "one evil feature" an assault weapon is proof of this.

I have several friends that still have theirs, complete with 30 round mags tapped together. A deceased friend, from Newark, was able to acquire a M2 from the riots way back when. He told me it was SELECT-FIRE, not full-auto ONLY. I never laid eyes on it. My friends all had them in the 80's (M-1 Carbines). Out to 200 yards it could do the job. Put that cartridge in a sixgun & it will light-up an indoor range that's for sure!

NJ will never go to 5 rounds.

SADLY.....and i hate to sound cynical.....there almost always is more to the story.

The AR-15 is listed as "Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 Series". The US Carbine is listed as "M1 Carbine Type". BIG Difference. LOL.

''This is not a test. This is your emergency broadcast system announcing the commencement of the Annual Purge sanctioned by the U.S. Government. Weapons of class 4 and lower have been authorized for use during the Purge. All other weapons are restricted. Government officials of ranking 10 have been granted immunity from the Purge and shall not be harmed. Commencing at the siren, any and all crime, including murder, will be legal for 12 continuous hours. Police, fire, and emergency medical services will be unavailable until tomorrow morning until 7 a.m., when The Purge concludes. Blessed be our New Founding Fathers and America, a nation reborn. May God be with you all.'' apparently it's a series on syfy. first episode on right now.

Welcome to the Garand Owners Group. Don't forget to "Grease the Weaser" to avoid light primer hits (white lithium grease stored in butt-stock that goes on Op Rod)! And don't baby it when loading a clip. Slap that bitch in the Op Rod so the extractor goes all of the way home! Good luck on Sunday. Wish I could be there with ya, but I got some NRA Board meeting bidness to take care of this weekend. Lemme know if ya need some extra clips as I probably got more than I can use. Rosey

Do I have to swipe my credit card before choosing

The stack of optics that were supposed to be "just as good as" is about the height of Mt. Fuji. They are always touted as "just as good as" until they inevitably show that they aren't. Im told that the failed return rate on PA and Holosun is a bit high. But the warranties are good. So are they "just as good as" in the context of range fun? Id say that is probably true because its just an inconvenience. But if the criticality was more significant such as a match that had a lot of time and money invested in it or the next level up from there, duty/HD, then Im sure we all agree its time to step up to a unit that is proven in theater worldwide. Can an aimpoint fail? Yes. Is it less likely? Yes. If I put you in a pit and told you behind the door was a crazed axe murderer and I was opening the door to let him in in 2 minutes. On the table is a custom Wilson 1911 and a RIA 1911. You can pick only 1. Who is picking the RIA based on the premise "its just as good as"?

I have a Primary Arms scope on my 308 AR, and a Trijicon on my 14in 5.56 AR.. the Primary Arms scope IS really nice.. or I would replace it.. but I personally do not think the quality is equal.. now as to if it is worth the substantial price difference? I don't know thats really a personal preference.. I think there are a lot of really good cost conscious optics.. but I don't think they completely replace top tier optics

I often raise this issue of quick and reliable electronic service because people often praise and have faith in their systems of choice like bank accounts and data plans, but then are quick to use false logic to claim that criminal check systems somehow can not be as quick, speedy, and accurate as the other things they approve of. I say what works quickly and well for one medium, works quickly and well for others, regardless of one's bias.

I have one question. Why would they want to kill Taxpaying citizens. ?

I have been to Colliers Mills shotgun range my boys are not really into it though. I primarily bow hunt deer, sat looking for turkeys a couple of times need to get into pheasant and waterfowl this year. I usually hunt the Monmouth County parks, Colliers Mills and Turkey Swamp. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

All valid points, and I own an Aimpoint T-1 that sits on my primary AR. BUT, like glock of 2004, the industry has caught up. I am not saying that these budget optics will replace the big names, as they won't. But what they do offer is a product that is reliable, durable, cost effective, laden with options, easy to mount and use. The bottom line is would I use a Holosun or Primary Arms optic on a firearm designated for defensive use? Yes. I have made that step with a 1x8 PA scope. 4 years ago, I would have said no. Get an Aimpoint PRO if money is an issue. Times, have changed.

I can say almost the same about an optic that has only been out for a month... because in truth, that Primary Arms one only started getting in people’s hands at the end of July. Aimpoints have been going strong for years (even in my inventory for that length of time; think my first PRO was picked up over five years ago). That is worth a “C-Note” to me... if not more. I’ll also add, and if you want to confirm it with the Primary Arms thread in their Industry section on AR15.com, the lower cost also is due to lesser grade aluminum being used (page six, if the posts per page line up with mine). One person asked, was told 6061... and Primary Arms said for $250, you aren’t getting 7075. He also said they sell optics made with 7075... and linked a picture of an ACOG (saying for $900). Kind of shoots down your claim when that comes straight from the people selling them. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/1x-Prism-scope-/325-285110/ Don’t think the cat is out of the bag now, as Holosun has been on scene for over two years. Hey, if you want to invest $240 in an optic... that is all good. Nice part about living in a capitalist country. But same token, you aren’t going to see people using Primary Arms because it is better than Aimpoint at this point in time (again, capitalism). It is being purchased strictly due to price. I predict you likely are going to have another two years or so before QC gets them squared away to a point where that original claim can be considered. Money can be saved in a multitude of ways. Can physically save money for a purchase, as setting it aside until you accumulate enough. You can also do that at a lesser rate, and buy a mid-grade product. And lastly, you can go extremely cheap. As you move down in price, chances for problems increase... not a terrible thing, but something that needs to be accepted. Primary Arms is in that middle grade, and flea market junk is in that lower one. What needs to be figured out is what part of that section it fits in, and further more, does the buyer feel comfortable putting their money towards it. If you are just going to the range, your needs are very different than someone mounting it on a duty rifle. You also don’t normally see the competition world using them, as they go with equipment that lasts. That isn’t a knock at Primary Arms, but it is keeping it in perspective.

You are looking for reason where there is none. There is a variety of guns that can be converted to full auto with minimal work. Prior to 1981 there were "drop in auto sears" available with which you could convert any AR to full auto in minutes. Parts to convert a carbine to a M2 were readily available. You could find them in firearms journals like the "Shotgun News" (how people bought and sold guns before the Internet). One place that sold all M2 parts except the sear and another on the next page someone selling all the parts except the selector. I don't think this had anything to do with "M1 Carbine type" making the list. That would infer there was some knowledge of firearms amongst the people who wrote the law. My "favorite" evil feature is the bayonet stud. Was this added to the evil feature list because of the rash of drive by bayonetings in Newark and Camden. However, a bayonet on a bolt action Mauser, Enfield, or Mosin is much safer? An analogy I often use is the NJ AWB is like a group of firearms enthusiasts writing a law on brain surgery. Neither makes much sense.

I just wrapped my first season of F-Class shooting up. I’m pretty hooked. My season was abbreviated with the first match cancelled, the second match I had work and I will miss the last match as I’ll be traveling with the wife. I did well (I think) with learning and improvements in every match. My scores got better with my final relay being a 196/4X. I am shooting a 223 in FTR and running the 80’s @ 2950. I may try the 90’s in the “off season” and see what I can develop. New rifle will hopefully be done by the start of the next season. Barreled action will be for sure. I may just be waiting on the stock to show up. It’s all good, I’ll put in in my current stock for load development. Thanks for reading.

Not sure why. If your dealer has a hard time getting one, let me know. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

I had a transferable M2 Kit installed in an Inland M1 Carbine from Miltech Arms. It was a beauty and fun to shoot, but uncontrollable. I am sorry I sold it. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

There were less than 400 M1 Carbines, M1As, and AR15s registered at the time of the AWB. IIRC the law states you can use "standard" magazines if the rifle is used for competition. I know a few people that have registered AWs in NJ. M2s were all selective fire, full auto or semi, not full auto only. Selector lever is on the left front of the receiver. There had to be a slot in the stock so the lever could reach the trigger group. Accuracy was not a strong point of the M1 Carbine but they were not designed as sniper rifles. Most of them shot 3-4" @ 100 yds. 5-6" were acceptable IIRC. However at 300 yds (the maximum range on the later windage adjustable sight) that 3-4" accuracy works out to 9-12". At 300 yds the bullet still has about 400 ft/lbs of energy so whatever it impacts will feel it. Also, the bullet has slowed down a bit so it's more likely to tumble causing more damage.

in the purge: election year, they took away that immunity. mom was scrolling the tv listings, saw that, and read the description. for a second, I think she thought it was serious, as she goes …..that's not legal, is it? so I had to explain the movie to her. and I explained that higher up politicians were immune. her response? the politicians are the ones that need to be purged. I was both shocked and impressed, lololol

Actually, the movie was awesome. But, what the heck with immunity for government officials? Isn't everyone fair game?

The thing about sights is that if you buy right, you cant lose. So yeah, an acog might be 700-800$ but imo they are clearer than any other optic ive had and i know that if i cared to i could put them on eBay and get my money back. Thats the beauty of this hobby... other than ammo which is obviously a disposable, if you buy right its hard to lose.

When you are ready, hit me up. I know a guy.

sweet, i need one.

Nice !

Came with orig. box and paperwork! Enjoy

Enjoy it! Make sure you use Garand safe ammo.

Very Nice! Definitely on my list...

I’ve done the exemption s few times when my being held inventory was getting to large. I took home a dozen pistols one time and 8 or 9 one other. You need to have all the serial numbers before you fill out the forms.

Of all the firearms I own, this is the one I've wanted for the longest time. I don't know why I didn't do this sooner.

Nice!

congratulations on the new member of the family! She looks great! I always wanted one myself

Yeah I don't see why cops need to carry strange, unusual and inherently dangerous weapons of war. We don't need that in our communities. Police should be limited to the same safe magazine limits as us, and also their rifles and shotguns should comply with all of our common sense gun safety laws. This can easily be done and they can even have a six month grace period to modify, dispose of, or transfer out of state any such firearms and magazines. Also they should not be carrying dangerous hollow point ammunition as it is illegal to do so in the Garden State.

I was a Deputy Sheriff for 7 years in a full service Sheriff's Office where we answered 911 calls and patrolled streets (most Sheriff's in NJ don't answer calls or have a patrol division). I was in an area of about 100,000 locals with 2 million annual visiting tourists to Mt Rushmore every year and another 500,000 to 1 million bikers coming to the Sturgis Rally every August. We had every crime the major cities have, just not always as often as they have it, but I know what its like to be a cop. Job #1 is stay safe and go home at the end of the day. That does not mean you can't treat people with RESPECT. We had a good relationship with the community because the effort was made to be professional, even when tackling someone and had cuffing them. I've had people apologise for resisting because I pick them up, dust them off and continue calling them sir as I put them in the back seat for that trip to jail. With my experience and training in the profession (I'm no longer in LE, I'm back in the military) I would agree with most of you that the culture within the law enforcement community in NJ is bad. These cops have the perception as being assholes because they are robotic and impersonal and talk to people like they're 2nd class citizens. They really have a bad way of projecting themselves and they are either not aware of it or do not care. I suspect it's a bit of both. They probably don't care that people don't like them because they deal with 1% of society but that 1% is always the bad people. It's easy to get into your mind that "everyone is a criminal" because everyone you deal with is a criminal. After a while, if 100% of the people you deal with are criminals, you think 100% of society is that way and you start treating them that way. What they probably are not aware of is the fact that a lot of citizens already have a disdain for the government as a whole because we are over-taxed, over-regulated and are sick to death of crooked politicians at every level from local school boards all the way up to the Governor. Cops are part of the same government so their image is affected by that as well. I'll end this here since its really off topic for the thread title.

many blue in the family and let me tell you, all that matters is the contract and pension. Cops could care less about the orders they are given to follow and agree, cops have not endeared themselves to the constitution or the people they serve. Cops have most definitely become outsiders to their communities. Just go in any station and listen to them refer to us as as civilians......

This is great news. Since they raised the tax on gasoline the roads are almost pot hole free. With this new increase they will all be silky smooth. Thanks goodness we have such a great government, thank you Trenton for all you do and how you prove to us everyday how you can spend our money better than we can. (yes just in case you don't notice sarcasm when you see it this is in jest).

Chris, The difference you seek is already in the OP's post, namely the suit they filed goes after the Siccardi Rule, and points to Heller's ruling that a case-by-case application of the law is illegal, which effectively boxes-in the defendant (NJ). If relief is granted, it will be for all applicants across the board, NOT for 2 individuals. Jay Factor has all the history of how the screwed-up law & rulings were actually formed. It amounts to a house of cards. Jay, Mark & John have been interviewed by Anthony Colandro on his radio show at least twice. Jay has them between a rock & a hard place. Take it from me that this suit isn't about 2 Jamokes getting their permits! Rosey

I think he still may. NRA dumped a ton of cash into him based on it. He's waiting for the right time. You cannot expect something like this to go through or even mentioned during a mass shooting,. It would just not look right. Everything needs to calm down. He has been fulfilling promises. He's hell bent making sure things are done as promised.

National Reciprocity is a campaign promise that has been utterly broken by the Republican Party. They had majorities in the House, the Senate, and a sitting President, and they said they would do it when they ran for office, and they got elected, and they didn't do it.

National reciprocity (NR) does almost nothing for those in states who's rights are most under assault. If you are a NJ resident and can't carry now in NJ, you will not be able to carry if NR ever passes. It is a "special interest" proposal that helps the "elites" on both sides, and a very small % of shooters who are not elites. Really a misguided effort by the NRA and waste of political resources when so many (more) important 2A issues are on the table. Even the NRA spokespeople make a lame case for "NR", "So I can take my gun when I want to eat in a restaurant in a lefty state". Sorry, can't feel sorry for you, when so many in places like NJ, CA, etc. will be put in jail or shot for carrying at all outside their home. If they change NR, to National Carry Rights for all (which would intrinsically contain reciprocity), I'd be 100% behind it. And it would be consistent with the "bear" in Keep and bear arms for all citizens. On a "happy" note, I'm very impressed with the NJ-NRA-Affiliate's efforts with the recent NJ Shall-Issue law suite, and the pending mag-limit suite. This is stuff that actually has a chance for helping every NJ shooter, and the only chance we have. The federal-level republican legislation will not come to our aid, even with all 3 parties as republican's, and not enough gun owners in NJ vote out the lefties here (shame on us for the amount of apathy or maybe they just want a sanctuary state over carry rights ;-) - go figure).

I was planning on making a second trip for the ammo, smarty pants!

Not safe enough yet, you need a second trailer for the ammo.

I found this to be an EXTREMELY informative thread and thought this would help out a lot of people here. Over 30 different products were tested. It seems like the best results were from Eezox with Tri Flo, PL10, Corrosion X and Weapon Shield CLP coming in right behind. Now some of these are not lubricants, just made for rust prevention. It’s amazing though how downright horrible some of the popular products faired in the testing. Go to the thread linked above to read more about how he ran the experiment. But to summarize he sprayed the samples with a water/salt mix (to simulate a worse-case scenario) and even left the samples in the rain a few times... Here is the final picture after about a week. There are several close-up pics in the thread on m4carbine.net.

HD shotgun / pistol loaded in bedroom but not accessible to children. Other rifles & pistols in the safe. I use these to hold pistols: http://www.amazon.co...ils_o00_s00_i00 And keep theM coated in some sort of rust/moisture repellent. (see http://njgunforums.c...__fromsearch__1 )