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In addition to being just as distracting to the user as the target, the biggest downside to strobes is they mask subtle movement - such as hands inching closer to a hidden weapon, or body posturing to indicate a fight response. That can be seriousy bad JuJu when you need to watch the hands and discern body language. Strobes may have a niche role in handheld light applications but do not belong on a dedicated weaponlight. Operating a weaponlight should be simple and intuitive and the switches should be easy to operate and require little to no change in your grip to use. All you should have to think about is light on and light off. If you are messing with other functions of the light such as strobe functions, beam focus, or alternate brightness settings, or if you are changing hand position to be able to active the lights “switchology” you are taking away both cognitive and procedural ability that you will need to successfully end the confrontation - even if you never have to fire a shot.

OK.... as of now.... Head count is 14 Doing well.....

Holy Craps..... Stop.... For once, can we not eat our own..... People are allowed different opinions..... respect them.

We need to get another shotgun shoot together... lol. I've got a "Youth" convertible Tristar 20ga semi auto. Very light shooter. Does recoil less than my Remington 11-87 12ga. My 11-87's the softest shooting 12ga I've shot - gas system with a recoil pad - it's super soft. My Beretta S686 Essential O/U and Mossberg Silver Reserve II O/U definitely recoil a lot more - there's no semi auto action to take up some of that recoil. They're also fairly light guns. I wear a shoulder pad when shooting those.

I have read all the posts in this thread, and I have come to the conclusion that I know less now than I did when I first clicked on this thread.

Nope. Just moved to Florida. Had the can waiting for me. Picked up a Glock 21SF host here (met a guy in a Waffle House parking lot).

I'm in. I'll compile a list. The VEPR 12 will definitely be coming, because otherwise it's not a party.

This is gonna be so much fun.

Already on it. And the 19MOS Gen5.... The trusty Gen3 which has served well for almost 15 years may be retired...

What happened to the Glock 44?

Thanks everyone, I have had the chance to try quite a few different OUs, as of now I am trying to decide between an Citori Crossover and a Beretta 686. Both of these shot very well.

G19 Gen 5 in the roni stabilizer chassis

I may have to consider the TLR-7 now. I've got a couple TLR-1's but the -7 looks nice. Especially the compactness.

Only the Non-NFA version would be good as it's a brace. Doesn't matter if it's folding or not Similar - CAA Micro Roni Stabilizer Stock version is NFA and would be a SBR which is not legal in NJ. The Brace version is ok. The 50 oz weight is only for the firearm itself, not any accessories. My Extar EXP-556 is 48 oz. If I add an optic to that, it's over 50 oz but that doesn't make it illegal. The only feature on it that could be considered an Evil feature by NJ law is the Barrel Shroud - but that's the same thing as my CAA Roni Stabilizer.

Im all set, just registered.

I love my Beretta and I'd recommend one as an entry into semi auto shotguns. I had a few issues breaking it in but now I'd know exactly how to do that again if I had to. If you want to test drive mine before you buy, we can definitely try to link up. If you end up buying that one, let me know and I'll tell you what worked for me. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Think the one i posted is any good? Seems like a good deal if they do go for 1200. Ill PM you a link to the ad if i can find it again.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/a400-xtreme-unico-synthetic/ Hows one of these for starters? One LNIB for sale for $1200. 28" barrel.

...uh. ok. Ill take your word for it.

@Sniper22 you are seriously becoming the kamela Harris of this forum. It’s not pretty to watch

Have a 229 and 220 both in stainless elite. the 320 is like a unicorn that bathed in a rainbow that killed predator

Neither am I..... and I am running the darn thing.... lol

Hmmmm. If I bring mine I can carry more guns....

buy your ticket! we bought ours. I’m pretty postive my wife’s will be honored

Are you Conservative or Liberal? If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone. If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect. If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him. If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down. If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!) If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it because it seems logical. A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."

I'm sure most people feel the same way, but why not at the very least, make no assumtions as to what may or may not happen? Drunk people make very bad decisions sometimes... I'm just pointing out that a prosecutor may not believe that simply a person in your house constitutes a threat.

The 320 may be big enough for your hands but obviously is overshadowed by the size of your head. I’m willing to go shooting. I have demands: you shoot first, you can’t be at the same range as me, The event will be on the third Thursday after a leap day, and I can only travel by sled dog.

I agree. Personally, I don’t think a decision is imminent. In California, the magazine confiscation injunction was only granted the day before the law took effect. The wheels of justice move slow and this is probably the most impactful case this judge will ever decide. Whatever decision he makes will be challenged, appealed, publicly celebrated by one side and criticized by the other. It may end up as part of the record that goes to the Supreme Court. Don’t assume taking time means it’s not being taken seriously or it’s being put on the back burner. The California district court decision was 66 pages. If anything, a long time may indicate a better outcome (an injunction) since blocking a state law, especially a high profile one, is a big deal and will need to be thoroughly defended in the judge’s decision. Personally, I put the over/under on this sometime around thanksgiving. I also predict we will get the injunction (at least with respect to confiscation).

Ticket purchased, I’m in. planning on bringing a couple of 1911s and my p226

Both the CZ and the Mossberg are Turkish guns. The quality will be about the same. I've heard both good and not so good about both but I would lean more towards the CZ just because I think they look a little nicer and they have a great warranty. It kinda bothers me when people say their budget is limited. Okay, my budget is limited too, but it does not limit what I buy, I just save longer. If you really want a good OU, you would be better off waiting for a used Browning to pop up somewhere at a decent price. Here's another thing (devil's advocate). You may do just fine (or well enough) with a Turkish made gun .A $2,000.00 Citori won't make you a better shooter, it will help good shooters hit more clays. The difference between a Browning and a Mossberg, for an average shooter, will be hitting 16 out of 25 instead of 15 out of 25. Here's what's going to happen if you buy a Turkish gun. You will shoot some clays, you will have fun, and you will constantly be thinking "gee, I wish this was a Browning.". The difference in price between a new CZ and a used Browning will be anywhere from 300 to 500 depending on the grade of the Browning. Most folks that own Brownings take care of them, so it's not likely you will find a lemon. As W2MC suggested, OU is not the end all be all of clay guns. Many trap shooters use semi-autos to great effect. One nice thing about a semi-auto is you can swap barrels. A longer 32 or 34 inch bbl for clays and a 28 inch bbl for the field. Recoil seems to be softer in semi autos too. 12ga vs 20ga. 20ga will be a handicap shooting clays. If you are a good shot, you will certainly break some clays with a 20ga, but you will break more with a 12ga. You will also get more pheasant. Lastly, My philosophy about my limited budget is that I can't afford to buy junk, so I buy used premium stuff that some rich dude paid out the ass for, and got bored with. I don't know how much of a hurry you are in to buy an OU, but if we happen to be at a shotgun shoot at the same time, you are more than welcome to try my Citori 12GA.