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I suppose "fuck you AND the horse you rode in on" applies

If they have to do exactly the same things as they did when you buy a gun through gunbroker, except don't have to unpack it, why would they charge significantly less? They have to log it according to ATF, so time, effort, and expenses are still incurred. Am I happy about it? Of course not. But when transfers take away time from paying customers, I don't expect any freebies. If someone local did it for $20 all-in, I would be more likely to go there, but not faulting a dealer for the shitty situation forced on all of us. Based on everything we see, there are likely dozens of unknowingly illegal transfers by otherwise law-abiding subjects going on every day anyway. And I hope non-compliance is high among the clued-in as well.

You guys need to get out of the city. LOL. I've shot full auto at R14, a hunt club in Whiting, SJSC, WTPD Range, gravel pits and my own backyard. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

What loss leaders do you offer in your business? What is your labor worth on an hourly basis? All those who want to place blame on the FFL’s are the same folks that have stated for a few years they will not buy anything from a local store in Nj and will travel to PA for long gun purchases / transfers. I would like a list of the business’s members of this thread own as I would like to demand products and services at cost. It’s the right thing to do since I am over taxed in this state. You should stand by the people of NJ.

So you want the dealer to do more work and not be compensated for it? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

I tried explaining this. Or at least charge NICS only. It would come back in spades. However many NJ dealers aren't walk in and buy from their inventory. There are a few left but most make their money on transfers and ordering. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

One can only speculate. Possibly because they know Fudds don't care? Fudds think all this doesn't apply to them? Fudds don't buy their ammo in bulk as we do so they still go to local stores (including Dicks) as opposed to internet sales so pissing them off with additional fees would cost business? Many of us on here are small business owners so I know I'm going to get flack for this but if there was a gun shop that only charged $1.00 for a P2P transfer as a show of support, I for one would shop in that store for every need regardless of pricing and convenience. It may come back to them 2 fold and show an in-your-face to those denying us our rights. I would feel similar if they refused to be a magazine turn in point for those feeling the pressure to do that instead of putting them in your safe deposit box at the bank. No one says they have to accept them. Murphy should not see one turn and we should all support each other in that. As most of us know Fudds are a different animal. Many are Trump haters. Many are Murphy/Mendez supporters. Many don't realize the cancelling of the bear hunt was not pro-bear but anti-gun. And on and on. They're a tough nut to crack when it comes to this hobby of ours.

"These laws were basically written to help dealers." exactly.

There's just something more satisfying to me to having yet another gadget. I'll check out Davis, thanks guys!

Mossberg is coming out with very interesting variations.

So I think that it has been established anyone that wants to not pay transfers and own machine guns legally and cheap get a FFL01 and SOT. Then they can do FTF transfers for the rest for only the cost of the NICS. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

That diss not mean they have to allow u to use a government range I think that was for me lol

If you have the appropriate FFL, and build or mod FA weapons, I'd guess you need to put at least 10K rounds down range before you can make the claim your gear can hold up to 10K rounds. I mean, if you are writing up some marketing material, you have to be able to walk the walk before you put it in print. Blow me.

Please do. I'm interested...

Shhhhh. Super Secret Club. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk

Best part of this is the word “profiting” Live in the shoes of the average ffl in Nj and let me know how u like it

I'm in bra. I decided I will be bringing in addition to the 686+, the Glock 34 Gen 4, since I don't see that listed. What about targets? We bringing are own or buying from RTSP?

You make good points. It's not good times for any brick and mortar out there. Just for the record for future discussions, I do not internet shop. Never amazoned. I will Ebay but you'll never even catch me in a HomeDepot. I'm big on the little guy to shop at. That being said I have gotten some ammo from online but that was after a local shop wanted me to enter in a book what I was buying. Not a fan of that. Most of my ammo is bought from guys in the "For Sale" sections of sites like these privately. All my guns but one were purchased in state, some at FFLs, some private sales. I very much agree and support local shop purchases. Just not "feeling the love" in return when it comes to 2A support.

Can't wait to fondle that haha it's a beauty

My boyfriend backed out, it be only me tonight. K-38 Combat Masterpiece CZ- P07 Compact

I have the 220 elite now.. oh yeah ..

Looks like it'll be myself and my buddy Chaz who's usually at shotgun shootouts. You know, the guy that looks straight out of a Montana fishing guide magazine. Still unsure of what will be brought between us but I'll add some good variety into the previously posted list. This should blind some RO's haha.

That’s jus wrong! Lmao

I have about 1500 rounds of various calibers loaded up in my bag so I can mooch off all you guys My buddy is bringing his Model 29 and some old .25 Beretta, maybe his AR. He will be there a little later Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

I want the dealer to show support and not just throw up their hands and say "what do want from me? I have to". I want the dealer to be part of the community instead of a bump in the road of regulations we need to learn how to deal with.

They don't have to do anything. I think it would be a smart marketing move. Like a loss leader but they aren't losing anything but a little time. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

We are on the same page. I was only talking about person to person NJ resident transfers. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

If it's coming from another FFL and they're not getting a mark-up on the gun, then sure. But if it's a drop ship to them as a direct purchase to the customer then I agree they should not. But I was going specifically for the new P2P sales issue. They should stand with us and not alienate us. As newer and newer laws come into play it eventually will eat into their business. Antis would love to see them out and replaced with a pot dealer. They're no safer than we are. It just may take a little longer. Supply and demand. We need to be demanding for them to move their supply. If the laws get created as such that we can't demand then what? They should be standing shoulder to shoulder with us as well as educating the Fudds. I'm on a Hunter's forum trying to do just that. But I'm viewed as another nut with one of those guns we don't need because it's not a double barrel.

The funny thing is the NJ 2A Community is so naive they keep putting dealers in charge. I would expect no different result than what we have gotten. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

https://gunforhire.com/blog/2018/10/21/the-gun-for-hire-radio-broadcast-episode-386/

This is correct. I would add that to transport a Title II item which you or your trust legally own, you must notify the ATF prior to transporting it out of the state in which it is titled. And that includes telling them where it's going and the time frame it will be there. OP: I suggest you read up on acquiring Title II items, or speak at length to a Class 3 FFL. While it's perfectly doable given the right circumstances, there are multiple requirements leading to acquisition, and more serious requirements afterwards.

Why would a dealer not want to inform customers of these laws? These laws were basically written to help dealers. Wonder why that is? Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I know you've tried 357s, 44 mags, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 7mm and 1911s. You have an unsatiable appetite for trying different guns

Kirsten Gillibrand in NY was A rated by the NRA until she was chosen to fill a US Senate seat. She now has an F rating. The problem with politics is if you plan to make it a career you have to sell your soul to advance or even keep your job. I wouldn't vote for Van Drew if I lived in that district.

i have a couple with your name on em Mrs. Z... Mr. Z's Wallet is gonna be hurting soon

I'm gonna guess it'll be model specific, as I can find P30 mags for ~$32.

Last word!

When the Flyers are above the Devils in the stabdings we’ll talk:

I have an XDm 4.5 in 45acp and a TRP 1911. Do those fit the bill? Livin up to his name

Basically just carrying my M&P Shield 2.0 in 9mm. I might try to carry my P320 compact in the cooler weather, but those constant M&P 2.0 Compact deals on Brownells are mighty tempting... Glock 19 size but with a similar grip angle to every other gun I own!

I just look at my phone.

Davis all the way. Want to go big like I did? The Davis Vantage Pro 2..... Been doing live weather for the region since 2001.... great hobby, easy to get carried away with. Go one step further and get involved with Boltek Lightning Detection..... Then join CWOP....... I will be taking the station down in a week or so after all these years. Sad day. Prob restart my station in my new town. [emoji16] http://www.lighthouseweather.com requires flash or just go to the home page direct at http://www.lighthouseweather.com/home.asp Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Davis Instruments Vantage Vue. We’ve had one for years. Very accurate including wind chill and heat index. We bought ours to track wind speeds for rc helicopter flying. Yes, we that sort of couple. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wow I'm surprised this guy isn't an NJGF member, his auction looks like most the ads in the WTS section.

Read this twice OP Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Yeah. That’s been making the rounds. Idiots for sure. Larry Vickers offered the RO a free slot in one of his classes for his quick response.

I do and I throw in those dessicant packs that you get with new shoes and find in pill bottles suppose to prevent moisture just randomly throw them in whenever I come across some in a lot of my gun related stuff