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It's ridiculous to you, in particular, Young Greenday, because the very concepts of "constitutional rights" and "law and order" are likely ranked pretty low on your list of core personal values. From what I've gathered, you're far more enamored and motivated by a more millennial values mindset (e.g., promoting "equality", banning "hate speech", combating "institutional racism", etc.) Although it's always possible your current values might be ingrained for life... I suspect, as you get a little older and get some life experience under your belt, your values may shift to the point where you hold a greater respect for those first 2 values mentioned. Just a guess on my part! (Based on my own journey...) In the meantime, learning to respect others' points of view and not labeling their values or arguments as "ridiculous" might be helpful. Why, who knows what wisdom you might gain if you tempered your knee-jerk dismissive arrogance just a bit?

Gm Troll... I am upset that i am unable to defend myself and my family outside my home from those that once they get passed the THC high and have no more money for weed, or other illegal narcotics, will resort to burglary and assualt to feed the habit. So yeah.... im upset. In case you havent noticed we have a drug problem in this country and its starts with weed... prescription meds etc. Lastly, you own a gun, you light up? Your a criminal and lied on your 4473, hope you get pinched. Have a fine rest of the day, doper.....

United States not so united. I carry my legal gun here in Fl with 15 rounds of a hollow point bullets with a concealed weapon permit. Ill go to NJ, the same way, they'll put me in jail. You buy your legal marijuana in NJ and bring it here: you might go to jail. Smoking pot is a federal offense while 2nd amendment is a right. Go figure.

That was my first impression. However, after much consideration, GD is just one of the brainwashed useful idiots. Since hes' joined, I have detected chinks in his libtarded armor. We are wearing him down, i.e. undoing some of the brainwashing he's received. Not much, but some very small holes. GD is having much difficulty reconciling what we discuss here with what has been stuffed down his throat during his formative years. I'm not saying we should go easy on him, just that we need to approach this kid with the understanding that he's a victim of the liberal machine. In a way, you could say he's brain damaged, but luckily for GD, this kind of damage is not irreversible. He just need the right treatment.

Not for Nuthin' (as we say in Jersey), but this instigator hasn't passed my "sniff test" since Day #1. Weed Man probably voted for Gov. Freestuff, the same A-hole providing us all with overzealous harassment 24/7/365! Every-so-often I lament that "there ought to be a rule" that only law abiding gun owners can post. THIS IS WHY^^^. If Weed Man filled-out a 4473 to become a gun owner, he LIED ON A FEDERAL FORM, therefore is a criminal. ----30----

Setting aside arguments that weed is a pathway drug to harder stuff (personally? I think it may be for SOME people with an addictive tendency, perhaps not for others)… but again, that aside, claiming that the consequences of lighting up are "not deadly" is simply putting blinders on. We know - for a fact - that it affects motor coordination and depth perception in enough of a degree to impair driving, for instance, and DUI is an activity which claims FAR more lives (by multiples) than that of concealed carry holders. True, those numbers include impairment from alcohol as well - but nonetheless, your bold characterization of it as a "victimless crime" is not true. Some people will, in fact, smoke in their living room (harmless enough) but then run out to the store in their car when the munchies kick in (definitely a problem). Does legalization increase it's recreational use...? And therefore increase the percentage of reported DUI's? Well, there's evidence that's already happening in Colorado (a far less congested state than NJ). I personally don't appreciate a government conducting a massive social experience with me (and other commuters) as their unwilling guinea pigs. But hey, that's just me! Aside from that, my argument stands - in that you have a profound underappreciation for Constitutional rights (particularly the 2nd)… for why the Bill of Rights was developed, for the good it has provided since, and for the fact that they are supposed to apply to all citizens, not just those in certain states.

at this point you're just an asshole

Brother i grew up in theate 70s early 80's...i saw guys that started with weed ...went to qaaludes, mesc, cocaine jail and dead...etc....dont lecture me about weed. Also reading is fundemental....this is what HE typed.... "but I or someone else may get away with sitting on the porch, lighting up, and relaxing?" So yes he lied....yes he is a criminal, yes he is a doper.... and there is no need to keep a civil conversation with trolls and those that would limit or question my rights, while pontificating about a federally illegal substance. Like this

Well, getting high in NJ is very profitable to NJ's Division of Taxation. It also keeps the Guvna's subjects docile.

How dare you completely derail the thread by omitting one word! I am offended by your lack of clarity in each and every post. I keep meaning to make up some kind of little pamphlet thing I can give to new shooters before I bring em out to the range - something that covers everything they need to know, so I don't miss covering anything. One of these days, I'll restart/finish it. And take some of the comments from this thread that apply to newbies using my guns and add em too.

I mean... He's O-K.

Not sure if this has been said, but I would encourage all new shooters to get involved in Second Amendment activism. The left love the First Amendment, but hate the Second. We are in a constant battle with them to preserve our constitutionally protected right to own firearms. Join the organizations that fight for us, stay informed on the issues (no better place to do so than NJGF), and be ready and willing to contact legislators, rally, write letters to newspapers, and do whatever it takes to protect the Second Amendment.

Wars are won, one battle at a time. Some bigger than others. A couple weeks ago, I was advocating for GD to be banned, and had a solid argument for it too. But, I realized that was selfish of me. How can we, in good conscience, allow this poor misguided soul to go through life as a zombie when we have the cure right here.

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I can just feel the love oozing out of the screen. Thanks all, I appreciate the sentiment. BTW, I am a grandpa, twice over, so I take no offense from that term. Adios, Pizza Bob

Good...give up YOUR GUNS and be a stoner..... And move on!

Besides, its "Perfect practice makes perfect." Incorrect repetitions will ingrain incorrect habits.

No, The idea is one cannot protect oneself! I worked in newark and leaving work at 3AM was easy pickens. I was held up in MSG, had a 45 between the eyes, all I could do is raise my hands! Don't spout your shit about shooting someone!

You buy your legal marijuana in NJ and you might go to jail here too, a federal offense can still mean jail time in New Jerksey. I stopped getting high back in the early 80s and have no desire to get back to it, but: I'm eligible to get a prescription for the stuff here, due to neuropathy issues, but due to federal restrictions, I'm "afraid" to sign up for getting it. If law enforcement decides to compare records and go after violators of the federal anti-pot laws I could lose my already compromised "right to bear arms". I'd rather deal with the foot pain.

Im 52.... I work with a 33 year old boy .... he self 'medicated' constantly as he cannot cope with stress..... The overindulgence of too many participation trophies... they have nonidea what freedom is or should mean...

Sooo to sum up.. more ranges in new joisey the better. More joisey ‘n shooting guns the better! pax

Glad to read all of this & excited to learn Peel is expanding her horizons once more. @Malice4you & @Bully you've infected this poor woman! Peel is really INFECTED now! Peel if you're looking for a .22LR precision bolt, consider a youth model as they already come with a shorter stock. Some models come with spacers so as kids grow, they don't outgrow their investment. These same spacers will help to customize the LOP to your requirements. If you'd like to "try before you buy", I can make a call to get you invited to our Youth Smallbore league to try a smaller-stocked rifle. The kids meet for practice on Thursday nights. Rifles are set-up with peep sights, but getting the "fit" down is easily accomplished since the kids use them for "3-P" (3-position: standling, sitting, prone). In any event, I can have a Youth League Coach (a volunteer) measure your LOP so you know what will fit when you shop Rosey

If everybody just did this: This Campaign ( Cheeseman-Jillard vs NJ ) wants to thank everyone for any help you maybe able to do in advance. Even the sharing of our page to like-minded people is a plus. First, they promised us the Gun Control Law would not affect the “fit elements of society.” [Burton at 93&105 (1968)] They told us the law was constitutional because it was “narrowly constructed” toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from possessing firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to use them with minimal burdens and inconveniences.” [Burton at 91 & 105.] Then they told us: · the law didn’t violate the Second Amendment because ‘the "justifiable need" component of the carry permit law accommodates, on a case-by-case basis, those who have a reason—to anticipate a violent attack in a public place warranting lawful defensive use of a handgun.’ [Wheeler at 739 (2013)] · New Jersey has decided that it can best determine when the individual benefit outweighs the increased risk to the community through careful case-by-case scrutiny of each application, by the police and a court. [Drake 3rd Circuit (2013) at 439.] · the historical sources cited by Heller … suggest … a limited right … that should be … determined on a case-by-case basis. [Piszczatoski Dist. Court, D. at 827. (2012)] · (t)he “justifiable need” requirement serves the same purpose as the employment-based exceptions, but does so on a case-by-case rather than a categorical basis. [Wheeler at 759.] John and Mark are not challenging the Statute. We believe the Statute was designed that “justifiable need” was synonymous with Heller’s “Lawful Purpose.” See Heller at 2797 (the core lawful purpose (of the Second Amendment) (is) self-defense,) The simple (and only) argument in Mark and John’s case is that the Siccardi Rule requires 2C:58-4 Permits Applications to specify an “urgent necessity” for self-protection which must be determined on a case-by-case basis, Heller threw out case-by-case determinations of Second Amendment Rights in 2008. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges' assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. [Heller at 2821; McDonald at 3050.] The prayer for relief in Mark and John’s cases is basically, if WE (all of us) qualify for a 2C:58-3 Permit, WE (all of us) qualify for 2C:58-4 Permit to Carry. If you are tired of being told you do not have need for a 2C:58-4 Permit, please donate to the Case. Every dollar will go to defeating the Siccardi Rule and NJAC 13:54-2.4d-1 Thank you. Mark P Cheeseman & John Jilliard They would hit their goal, remember THIS helps all of us! https://www.gofundme.com/restore-carry-nj/?viewcontent=103648188&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n

None necessary.

The rehearing was today at 10 over in Philly.

Ya but you had to walk home from school in a snow storm! Oh my bad....

Knowing you as I do, I will let you continue this "experiment". At some point he's gonna need some Special High Intensity Training to reverse "the damage". Perhaps a Rosey Range Day with a little history lesson on how things used to be & how messed-up they are now. Like when I was 12 years old my Dad gave me a $5 bill & I went into the K-Mart to buy a brick of .22's while he waited in the car with my younger siblings. Now I can't have my 57 year old wife buy me ammo since she doesn't have a Yellow Card!

Actually @High Exposure Says practice makes permanent.. along your same phrasing. I jus have a hard time with accurate wisdom retention..

drop your roach, burn your low income housing project down, not so victimless now we can turn your i carry a gun to shoot people argument right the hell around on you im willing to bet he voted early and often for phil

but they are a sexy little minx

I would certainly be interested in taking a shot, assuming copy is already written. I am certain it would be much better than anything I have written up myself, since I am no expert. I'll PM you in a moment

My thought was more 'everything they need to know: crash course' than every technical detail. Think basics that cover what someone who has never held a gun would need to get started, without an overload of text and info that would just cause em to shut down. Pretty much the basic things you would tell someone bringing em to the range on the ride over/once you get there, so if I forget something, it was already covered. My problem, perhaps slightly less so than a certain member here, is that I do tend to be a tad verbose, so a single double-sided 8.5x11 could easily become a small book, defeating the purpose...

One benefits from more than one perspective no matter who it comes from. Whether it's right or wrong.

Oh i know a troll when i see one....been around the block for a bit.... lol Great...sounds like a plan....you strike me as a recreational user as well.... did you vote for murphy to get your legal weed too? I kmow a gun guy yhat did... POS.... we r no longer friends... Yeah that was bait....

Yes, I stand corrected. In the past they worshiped the First, but lately they have become intolerant of speech with which they do not agree.

11/20 update: Story Updates 12 Update 12 Posted by Mark Cheeseman 10 hours ago In light of our recent denials in N.J. appeals court. We have decided our best path. I am proud to announce we have retained David Jensen as council. Mr Jensen comes with an overwhelming knowledge of law experience, specifically second amendment law. As we approach our next level i want to personally thank everyone who has donated, shared or shown support for out grassroots effort. We will continue our fight in the N.J. Supreme court. We still hold the original prayer for relief. Justifiable need is bad law. Self protection and lawful purpose for all law abiding citizens. Thank you

@Ms. 12 Gauge don't take offense to anything I've said. Whether your focus is busting clays, IDPA, USPSA, benchrest, bullseye, engaged in combat in the military, or being a well trained and informed LEO or citizen or any other form of shooting theres nothing wrong in any of that. 30 years from now it'll be you, the @High Exposures, @Purple Patricks, @Ray Rays, and others that will flaunt (usually rightfully) their experience. I obviously take exception to someone who has been shooting a few years telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. You are not one of them.

I apologize if my posts were taken the wrong way. But yours were also much more adversarial than they needed to be. I suggest we drop it since further posts like that on either side don’t help anything. Nice to see people working things out for a change, kudos to both of you. Don't see much of that anymore. We need more of this, to stick together as a group and keep up the fight

Might as well keep the love fest going. I've had several opportunities to chat with Bob, and have enjoyed every minute. Approaching old codger status myself, don't think I'd call him grandpa though.

You hit the nail on the head suggesting a Ruger Precision Rimfire. Best value for under $400. Ruger also makes the American Rimfire, which comes with a somewhat adjustable stock.It uses some sort of insert system. The compact version is available in muddy girl too.

I’m cooking two turkeys for tomorrow’s tailgating fun so it’s a good chance to drink. Earlier in the day when I was prepping I had a bottle of 2004 Silver oak Nappa. It was really good and perfect for the preparation portion of today’s fun. Now that I’ve moved n t the cooking phase I had a Orange County Bourbon neat (1 drop of water). It’s a small distillery from Goshen, NY and it’s clean and fantastic. They sell at a farmers market on sundays not far from my apartment. I’ve purchased their bourbon, rye and single malt scotch and it’s all quite impressive. I also lie supporting a small maker trying to make a living. He also makes gun and vodka which I’ll grab in a couple weeks. A bit of a sidebar. Aftert that neat whiskey I felt like making an old fashioned with Michters rye, some quality bitters, my own simple syrup and an orange peel. I’m really enjoying this. Cooking, watching Sicario, bid on a couple pistols on gun broker and whiskey.

I did my part last time... Biggest issue she likely will face is finding a stock that will fit her on a stock gun at a reasonable price. I dunno how serious she wants to go into a precision bolt gun - but I dunno how many of the precision setups are available in short LOP unless they have a [typically] expensive fully adjustable stock setup. If going to an aftermarket stock, or having one modified for her, there is extra cost in that too, though possibly less so than going fully-adjustable. Most of the fully adjustable stock factory rifles I have seen are $900+, before even factoring in optics, rings, bipod, spare mag, stocking up on a new, more expensive caliber, etc. There are Savages, Rugers, Remingtons, and plenty of others that are serious shooters out of the box, and I hope that finding a rifle that fits her body and budget is a hurdle easily overcome. Course, we still gotta get her to get a precision rimfire first...

I like you a little bit more. Not much more, but more none the less.

LOL... Just because you can, does not mean you should. There are only so many Yuppies around who can pay for those membership fees... and I would assume, MOST of those guys already have a membership at GFH or RTSP, or at one of the private ranges. Keep in mind, the economy has been terrific and there was great focus on shooting in NJ. What happens when it turns? As far as the experience? All of these ranges are nice, but they are still ranges... I have not seen happy endings provided in any of the VIP lounges yet to justify the "VIP" treatment. But yes, being privy to some of the financials behind here..., the majority of the success has been in good times, brand new shooters for whom a $200 day at the range once every few months is an "Experience." But... instead of "cheapsters" I would say experienced gun guys. There is plenty of wealthy people with Cherry Ridge, Old Bridge and CJRPC memberships who can use a calculator. More than that... it is about safety... notice how you generally don't have as many shooting accidents at a private gun club versus a public range?

My move wasn't because of the gun laws. To me they are a symptom of much bigger problems that NJ has and will continue to get worse. I just like being able to buy when I find something and not have to worry about permits and expiration dates. So far I've sold far more than I've bought as I've tried to refocus my collection. It just feels different - no more feeling like I have to buy something just so a permit doesn't expire, and I can actually carry so having carry options helps. It's one thing to think I would carry a fullsize handgun. Reality I've found is different.

Actually that’s not true. N.J. is a one party state.

You can always mail it to our PO Box & we'll see to it that Mark & John get your check: CNJFO, PO Box 768, Sewell, NJ 08080 And thanks for helping us all! Rosey