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If you come here to purchase a gun, and bring your range bag - I promise not to ask you what is in the bag......... Lol

Maybe it's because I am old school. Maybe it's because I am an adult and I don't need a babysitter. Maybe it's because I am used to walking into the range, paying, and then going to shoot. No ROs watching my every move. No bag checks. No magazine inspections. No safety videos. No ID checks. No liability signitures. No ammunition searches. Remember those days @GRIZ! @Old School! @Smokin .50! And guess what gentlemen, nobody got shot. Nobody got hurt. Nobody bothered nobody. Now, we treat everyone like kids.

Hurricane Sandy was an eye-opener for many people in New Jersey and other areas. If they had forgotten the lessons learned from that storm then there is no excuse. As a husband and a father, it is my responsibility to plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I tried getting an invite to bring our "wares" to Range 129 for Black Friday. Called them several days prior. Was told that the "owners would need to have a meeting to decide if I could come & represent CNJFO" & that the guy I spoke to (William Wolfson) would call me back the next day with an answer. I'm still WAITING! Good thing I went to Reloaderz on Black Friday & spent 8 1/2 hours THERE in Wayne, NJ! Meanwhile, I've posted picture stories of Range 129 all thru the construction phase on the CNJFO Facebook page & even reminded them of that via a speaker-phone conference call several days prior to their grand opening. Also, Wolfson has liked our page & lurked for a while, so it's not like he doesn't know what makes us "tick"... So those of you that were there ( @Darrenf ) on Black Friday, was there a tiny piece of space to set-up a small folding table with our wares? Were there any other groups there? One of our Trustees was going to come-up from Wildwood Crest to man our table for the day... We TRY to do things is So. Jersey but somehow the Fudds ruin it??? Color me NOT HAPPY! Here's our table at SC Arms & Ammo of Spotswood, NJ on last Sunday:

Let me inspect your Bag and guns. G F Y

So, I went there yesterday and it is a nice range. The shelves are still kind of bare, but I didn’t go there to go shopping. One think that left a sour taste in my mouth was the range bag “inspection”. They uncased all my guns and then opened the ammo boxes. One guy watching as they inspected my Grand Power K100 asked “are those 10 round mags?” I didn’t answer because it’s none of his damn business. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I'm not going to comment on whether or not all of my firearms were legal during my NJ residency. But if I did have some guns that had features that were on some sort of list, I sure as hell wasn't stupid enough to bring that gun to a public range.

I wasn't there on Black Friday Rosey, so I can't comment on what occurred that day. i will say that I went back today, and it couldn't have gone much worse. When they went to inspect everything this time, i took all the gun cases and ammo out of my range bag, and also asked to speak with the owner. Someone ran and got him, and I asked him if this is going to happen every time, even for regulars. is there some sort of system they have in place to make this less of a hassle in the future? His response was that this was a corporate decision to insure my safety. I replied that i agree safety is paramount, but no other range I have ever been to has done anything even close to this and that they have perfect safety records. I was again told it was a corporate decision (I thought you were the owner). It was obvious I would get no where, so I just went to shoot. When I was finished shooting I came back out into the staging area and as I did that the owner was walking back in. I told him "look, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you have to understand that here in NJ us gunowners are treated as second class citizens, and ranges are looked at as a sort of a refuge. We don't expect to have to pay a private individual who then shows less trust in us than even the state does. He replied that because NJ is so messed up, this procedure can help when new people come in to see how rigid everything is, and develop their trust in the range. I said I agree it could be helpful for newbies, but you have to understand that seasoned shooters and 2A advocates, the people likely to bring the newbies into your range see this as invasive at the least. I also told him that when I stopped in the first time while my guns were being inspected, another employee asked "Is that a 10 round magazine?". I told the owner, so now you guys are law enforcement too? That's when another employee chimed in with "The reason I asked that question is to educate people who might not know the law" I told him, first it wasn't you that asked the question and if that's the case then phrasing is important. He replied "well I deal in absolutes". ( I almost laughed out loud that someone would say something so stupid, my thought was that this guy must love the Star Wars Prequels, LMAO) I again said that education is admirable but phrasing is important. Asking someone if that is a 10 round mag isn't helpful, and I was about to tell him a better way to phrase the question but he wasn't interested. He cut me off to repeat that he deals in absolutes. LOL I said, look, I am trying to help you here by telling you what your consumer would hope to see. i forgot what he said but he cut me off again. I said this is so disappointing, I've been looking forward to this range opening for almost 2 years, been telling everyone about it, let my membership at Shooters lapse, and this is the treatment they dispense. You have a customer who is trying to tell you what they would like to see but you aren't listening. He interjected that he is listening to which I cut him off and raised my voice a bit now and said, yes, you're listening, that's why you keep cutting me off. Well done. At this point I was exiting the room and told the owner, that I hope they have a meeting to get this righted soon. I'm not optimistic, which is sad, because it's a beautiful local facility, and I'd love to see it thrive, but if this is how they plan on treating customers, they won't be in business long.

I have friends that have carbines & 30 round mags for them. Most of these friends fought for our country in Korea & 'Nam and they have a lll% mindset of just not giving a F^&K about NJ gun laws anymore. Molon Labe

I damn well remember those days! I remember my High School Graphic Arts Teacher bringing US NAVY .38 Spl. TRACER ammo from his Carrier to the school & giving it to me during class and telling me to "go put it in yer locker & make sure to take it home today". I also remember "LIGHTIN'-UP" Rays range with those TRACERS & how much fun it was! Hell the R-O called a CEASE-FIRE & ran over to me to check it out. Told me it's NOT allowed, then asked if HE could try some, lol! Yeah, I'm THAT old......

This was my thinking as well. Hence, all my >10 round magazines are now all vacationing in Pa. As a matter of principle, I am not modifying, destroying, turning in, .... anything ever. The more of my property they force me to exile, the greater my resentment, and in turn, desire to purchase a home elsewhere.

You vs the trooper in court, good luck with that. Cheapest way out, if your driving record is clean, see the prosecutor before court and ask to plead guilty to unsafe operation of motor vehicle. NO points, no insurance surcharge, just $335 out of pocket and keep your record clean for next two years. NJ's greatest MV scam. Otherwise see what the points will cost you on insurance and lawyer's fees. Moral of the story, don't ride the left lane, and don't pass cops.

Anyone can write anything they want on the form, so I wouldn't expect them to trust that. The application actually does ask how often you shoot and to self assess your ability. My wife was very excited about trying to start a SAW chapter there, so I hope they get this worked out. Good luck Rosey!

To be fair they know nothing of my ability yet, and I wouldn't say I have any great ability anyway. But I do follow the rules and the law and they should have some system in place for verified range goers so that we can avoid this hassle. i would be at that range twice a week easily, I have literally 30+ new shooters anxious to get out there with me and be on their way to gun ownership, but at the moment i cannot recommend this range at all. I'm hoping they engage us here, and even if they are unable to change this policy, at least explain it in a better way than "it's for your safety".

"For your safety". Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, that's right, anti-gun Democratic talking points. Cudos to Range 129.

Or who gives a damn about their Unconstitutional Laws. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Grizz? Lol

I suspect the rallying cry to eliminate lead began with; " if it can save one duck" or "if it can save one condor." Seems to have a familiar ring to it. I just scratch my head at believing that some 12 million hunters annually litter the landscape with so much shot up, lead-filled game carcasses that "between 10 million and 20 million animals, including eagles, hawks, bears, vultures, ravens and coyotes, die each year not from being hunted, but from lead poisoning, according to the Humane Society." Bullet construction has changed significantly over the last few decades, and I roll my own so I can tailor load/velocity of a particular bullet to find the sweet spot for accuracy, so I'm not too put out by this. Lead is still the best for small game and the alternatives are simply inferior or cost prohibitive. BTW - How many birds are clipped by wind turbines each year?

I get what you are saying and there is merit here however, at CJ, I've never been asked and we don't ask other people (at least my circle doesn't). I will say this, last summer I was there during the week and and a nice older man was shooting his m1 he had in ww2/korea and he was full auto. I went over, thanked him for his service, spoke a bit and admired his firearm. I never made a comment on legality, he brought it up and politely said along these lines, 'this kept me safe from the japs and the chinese and I'll be dead before I give it up'...... was ready to buy the man dinner after that!

I have an issue with ranges policing mags. Same as I would have an issue if they started inspecting the muzzle device and stock of my AR.

they will die. 1 way or another.

Not exactly that. But mag policing and bogus FID requirements. I've had one of the owners sons of Bullet Hole in Belleville ask me if my 30rd p mags were blocked to 15rds. But told me if I was on the job it would be fine. Never stepped foot in that place again. And here is a thread I started about a range wanting to confiscate your guns because you "might" have become a prohibited person, essentially doing the work of the State Police. I find it harder and harder to support any local NJ gun businesses.

#metoo

* AND * That is all that needs to be said about NJ Mag Ban laws - Rosey drops the mic and moves on to a Yuengling........

Well here it is, all the work we did to get HR 38 through the house will probably be a waste of time if you don't do your CIVIC DUTY NOW. Here's a really good video that makes it pretty simple. Don't forget the bill number now is S446. Mass text and call everyone you know, tell them to do it, tell them to pass the word. If you don't want to do this little bit of work your serious a piece of shit.

That's because they don't want to give away their next move.

Would not step foot in the place.....

. Congrats

Oh and drew estate cigars bought in the restaurant count towards your points. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

That was quick. Get the 12 round mag.

Yes Tommy Lee would call it a sissie pistol. 12 round mags too.

Thief. I am callin da Navy.

So my camera showed up last night, and so far I’m pleased. The system was very easy to set up once you download the app. The video quality day and night is pretty good. You can set up clip length, motion sensitivity and motion field. The field of view is pretty big but you can choose which areas of the field will trigger recordings. This is great because there’s a sidewalk 15 feet from my door. If someone stays on the sidewalk and doesn’t move towards my door, they are in view, but don’t trigger the camera. It’s easy to view and also share video clips so if you did need to get then to an LEO it’s no sweat. You can also choose how long the clips are stored , up to one year! For the money and what I’m using this for i am very pleased.

Ill try it out. Man thats a nice little restaurant/bar they got there. Food is legit good, nice staff, and they were setting up for tuesday night poker. Hooked me up wirh a loyalty card that gives you $50 for every 500 points. Bought my friend and I some food and a couple of beers and im at like 120 points. Its like 30 mina from me so i might start being a regular there Sent from my LG-V496 using Tapatalk

I’m walking away now

@Rob0115, that is a sissies gun.

I just boxed up all my evil "high capacity" magazines over the weekend, to send them out to PA, until I can get them to a safe haven out of NJ. The whole time I was packaging them, I kept thinking how much safer I was making our beloved state. Still waiting for all the conforming mags I ordered from Gun Mag Warehouse to arrive.

Absolutely true, and one of the biggest points in deciding what type of system to get. What I believe is the major point is on the rare occasion someone gets their house broken in or robbed, video evidence will be the biggest help in catching the crooks, and the easier it is to save, retrieve and give the evidence to the LEOs, the better chance the dudes get caught and you get your stuff back. Most cops, when they see the video, will already know who the bad actors are in town, which will help them make a quick recover. While that maybe be true, the systems can be use for more than just catching bad guys. If I'm in the house, I can watch what the rugrats are doing in the backyard and see what's going on around my pool. I use the live video to watch my pool robot. Occasionally it gets hung up and stops vacumming. I can see the pool on video when sitting at my desk and know if I have to go out there and free it. Other times I can check to see what trouble the dog is getting into in the back yard without having to go out there. That's another good use, to see if the Amazon package was dropped off on the porch or the next case of ammo came via UPS. Wait, you just gave me a great idea.... let me get to my workshop.... STAT !!

HR 38 is dead. we didnt have the senate votes last december and we still do not today. S446 is a completely seperate bill that never made it through the house, its not a new number or name for HR-38. Only HR-38 did. And calling everyone a piece of shit if they dont do what you think is the prudent move... very classy. Until we can get SCOTUS to rule once and for all that these states, like CA, NJ, NY etc are violating the constitution and get proper CCW shoved down their throats .. you will never see national reciprocity.

I guess it all depends on where you live and what you are trying to accomplish. If I lived in da Hood, I would have a very expensive hard wired system with remote storage - perhaps tie a machine gun into it Where I am in a virtually crime free area behind a security gate that is much less of a concern. I am more interested in seeing when UPS dropped off a package or if anyone came looking for me while I was not home. Just having these wireless things visible is a deterrent.

^^^^Couldn't agree more Peel! Well-done! To all who will read this, NOT just Peel (she's already volunteering for us when she can, ARE YOU?): As the ONLY 2A group Leader in NJ that posts here almost daily, I have a somewhat unique perspective into what it takes to organize and get things accomplished in a 501(c)3 charitable & educational non-profit corporation set-up by gun owners FOR gun owners. Long hours of hard work by many people! Establishing committees & getting Committee Chairs assigned to see that tasks are accomplished on time & on budget. Filing tax forms & all of the paperwork needed to make a corporation both viable & sustainable. Driving all over the state to meet & greets, range openings, gun shop openings, NJSAFE Conventions, matches, gun club meetings, etc., etc. Countless hours invested in chipping-away at not only the anti-gun climate but also those gun owners that are completely oblivious to the world around them. The ones looking for "a new solution" to the problems facing NJ gun owners. Finding them and offering them a chance to help make a difference takes WORK, because volunteers don't simply fall out of the sky & say, "I'm HERE, do with me as you please, these are my skill sets so put them to your best use, as I'm willing to donate time & talent to help you help us all". Money is needed to power the PR campaigns, branding, websites, web hosting, etc. to let folks know of our mission, our dedicated volunteers that draw no salaries, our activities & appearances, and the commitment our members have for the gun community in general and CNJFO in specific. Fundraising projects that bring customers to sponsors such as Hog Hunts, Pheasant Hunts, Sporting Clays & the like produce income to fight battles like mag bans (we were the ONLY 2A group in NJ to donate to & run a matching funds plea to fight the current mag ban) that resulted in a $5,500 donation for the ongoing lawsuit! We're currently earmarking funds towards the Cheeseman-Jillard case as it winds its' way thru NJ state Supreme Court. Yes, we'll gladly take any help in doing so. NJ gun owners are an interesting group as a whole. Some are true Patriots, 3%-ers' willing to do whatever it takes. Some own a shotgun passed-down for generations & don't know where to put the shells into it. Most fall in the middle, and worry more about getting some extra dough to buy holiday gifts than to fight for their rights. This majority of NJ gun owners stayed home the last election---or worse yet---voted for Gov. Freestuff because he'll make weed legal! You folks can reinvent the wheel all day long, OR you can help us become the 2A group YOU want to be a part of! Join! But don't just join for $50 & think "I've got my T-shirt so I can sit-back & let everybody else do all of the work"! Become a Committee Member as a volunteer. Get tasks assigned & feel like you're a part of something LARGER than yourself. Run a Committee. Run for a Board of Trustees position to help steer the corporation. Do as little or as much as you can, but DO SOMETHING! I've read the article that's linked on this thread. It proves to me that smaller entities can move quicker in some cases than a huge national organization such as the NRA. It also proves that money & resources can be assigned to make the ball carriers get over the goal line, and since politics plays a big part, sometimes it takes a smaller group to get the fire started prior to the national group becoming more heavily involved. This all makes sense to me. The NRA is the only national group taking "heat" on a daily basis. GOA, SAF, and other alphabet soup groups are not even on the Anti's radar screen. Why is that? So whom can we count on HERE to step-up & be counted? Here's a short list of our Committees: Membership Shows & Community Outreach Communications Public Relations Hunting Sporting Clays Fundraising Sponsorship Social Activities Range Liaison Audit Executive (Trustees) Thanks for your time. I (WE) hope to hear from some of you SOON! And to those that already PM'd me in the last several months looking to help, pick a committee & get back to me. Now back to your Cyber Monday shopping.... Rosey

Pelican is running a nice sale on water tight cases, just say'n.

No reloads to feed their RENTALS or no reloads PERIOD (even when using your own firearms)?? And if you show-up with factory boxes who's going to examine them, the Reload Police?

They all start out like this. In a year, it'll be .... NO STEEL OR ALUMINUM CASINGS, NO STEEL BOOLITS, NO CALIBERS OVER .49, ONLY RANGE AMMO, MUST HAVE FPID, ETC....

Lowe's sells them at a decent price if your in a pinch. I like O-Light batteries, and they usually have good sales. Amazon, for the win.

I buy mine at the PX or Amazon. Amazon has more different manufacturers. Buy a dozen and they're less than $2 each from Amazon.

I would place an OPRA for the dash cam video. Im not sure what the Staties use, but they may or may not have been recording. If there was recording, then it will show you used it. If not, then you can go to court like Tbill suggested. If there is video that shows the blinker, they could drop the ticket without even going to court. What ever you do, make sure you follow the directions on the ticket to plead not guilty.

See him just before court begins, there will be a line, get there early. The best deals go early. You'll still have to stand before the judge, say I'm sorry yada, yada. Wait for the gavel and go pay the government extortion fee. Links are posted for reference only, not for anything else. The decision is yours. http://pufflaw.com/2018/04/17/new-jersey-turn-signal-law-n-j-s-a-394-126/ http://pufflaw.com/2016/12/30/nj-unsafe-driving-violation-n-j-s-394-97-2/ You stated you were doing 70 he was doing 65. Maybe this instead of a speeding ticket? But he decided you were getting cited long before you realized it.