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I've bought a couple long guns at auction and have bid on both handguns and long guns - all this at a small auction house in PA. I love auction dynamics. My SO and I attended many of David Rago's Arts & Crafts auctions in Lambertville. Purchased many pieces of A&C pottery there. When a piece goes for far more than expected, once the hammer falls there is almost a cathartic release and, usually, the next piece on the block suffers. We attended one of these auctions where the catalog cover piece went for three times the high auction estimate. My SO then was able to buy the next piece at below the low auction estimate - a piece that later appraised at more than twice what she paid for it. I spotted a rifle that I really wanted badly at the last gun auction I attended. The majority of the rifles there were milsurp and the one I wanted was a high-end lever action. I figured I stood a good chance to steal this rifle. When it came up on the block, the auctioneer held it up and said, "I don't even know what caliber this is." Simultaneously I and another bidder called out the caliber. Damn - another person who knew what it was. We ended up bidding against each other. I stopped and the auctioneer asked me if I really wanted to drop out at that point - said, you'll be sorry. I went one more $50 increment and the other bidder didn't raise the ante. Still paid considerably less than what they were bringing on GB. Auctions are a hoot. Adios, Pizza Bob

OMG, I just realized something. That barrel is illegal in NJ, it's high capacity.

Often been asked about why and how someone can go about buying guns and accessories at a live auction.

and that right there is their end game as ive said......they've already taken this shit to the point that i will have a residence established in a free state before i buy another firearm. i will take my business to states that want it.

You are completely right that they need to be challenged beforehand... unfortunately it was prove time and time and time again... the people who are writing the laws DO NOT CARE! Just look at OGAM and how many people showed up, and they still passed it. Realistically I think the only way they wont is if we start contributing to their campaign and paying them NOT to take up the issues... But keep in mind, Trenton is generally controlled by the ghettos of NJ.

Murphy is just a Democratic asshole that was voted in by asshole Democratic New Jersey voters Tax and Spend, then tax again, typical Democratic operation.

HEY FUDDS! Your bear gonna cost you a lot more this time around. Is it time yet? Murphy called for a tax on gun sales as a candidate, and his first budget blueprint a year ago included $1.4 million toward that end. It wasn’t approved by lawmakers but is now part of a larger package of planned changes. Firearms fees, most which haven’t been altered since 1966, would increase significantly by as much as 25-fold, yielding $3.912 million in revenue. A new excise tax on ammunition sales of 10 percent would generate $3.2 million. A new excise tax on firearms sales of 2.5 percent would generate $1.4 million. Hunters would pay $100 for a black bear permit, rather than $2. This is projected to produce $500,000 in additional revenue. “It was long past time that we did this last year, when we took so many steps to restore our standing as a national leader in gun safety. And it’s even more past time today,” Murphy said. “We’re not being terribly radical on this. Our current gun fees were set in 1966,” Murphy said. “It’s now 2019. It’s actually cheaper to get a permit to purchase a handgun, $2, than it is to get a dog license in many of our communities.”

Inoro I propose a fee for registering to vote. Cost of this fee will be used to cover the cost of state elections and fund “election security studies”. Registering will be required yearly and be reflected on a state-issued ID.

That’s the core of the argument.

You forgot to add Murphy's other favorite motto: "Guns for me, but no guns for thee". Here's a picture from his speech on Tuesday. Notice anything?

Thank you! I was contemplating getting either a bolt action or a semi but since I am looking to participating in a 3-gun like competition, the semi was the better choice (the shotgun comes next and that is another story all together)

Look at the list of banned features posted in current gun laws section sticky. Since it will likely have a pistol grip and detachable magazine, you will need a fixed or pinned stock (20 cent roll pin and a drill to do it yourself), no bayonet lug (dremel or grinder and some cold blue), a pinned/welded comp or brake if the barrel has threads. Overall barrel length needs to be 16+ inches. Keep in mind you lose maybe .5" to threading if looking at a 14.5" barrel and short comp. You may be able to time, pin and weld it yourself if you know what you are doing, otherwise any gunsmith should be able to do it for you. I will assume you don't have a grenade launcher, binary trigger, auto trigger pack, or bump stock. Most of the work you can do yourself. Pin the stock before you get the upper, and dont mate upper and lower until all your compliance work is done. Don't delay doing the compliance work if you have everything to make a full rifle. Police helos aren't gonna swoop in because you had an unopened UPS box with an upper at home for 5 hours, but you should do the compliance work ASAP.

Maybe there will be a fee.

@Scorpio64 you'll shrink those groups a little shooting from a bench. Shooting from a bench you get to see how good your rifle really shoots. The Army uses the foxhole position for the same effect. I know some don't think much of bench shooting but it's how you see how your rifle and ammo perform by eliminating as many variations as possible. If you're reloading for serious competition you need to tailor the load for the rifle you're using. That makes sense. I don't seriously compete now and work up a load in one rifle and it works pretty good in others I have in the same caliber. I know guys that have 5 different loads in a caliber for their 5 different rifles. That's not me. FWIW M2 Ball specs are 2700 fps, my reloads are 2800 fps and HXP 2900 fps in my rifle through a chronograph. You can chase the accuracy thing a lot of ways. Modifications to the rifle. Experimenting with different powders, bullets, loads. It all boils down to what level of accuracy makes you happy. I'm happy with a Garand that shoots 2" with service ammo.

Hello @badbaj For NJ Legal AR, The Barrel has to be 16" minamal. You will have to get the flash hider removed and a muzzle break pinned and welded on the barrel. If it has a folding or telescoping stock that has to be pinned to unless u build one with a fixed stock. I had complete uppers shipped to me in Nj and just took it to my gun store to do the muzzle brake pin and welding. You could do a 14.5" barrel with a Muzzel Brake that is1.5" to make it 16" total since the measurement includes the Muzzle brake :-) Hope this helps you friend.

What I learned from mom. Never be the first to bid. Don't get excited, put on your poker face. If you are going to bid, wait until the bidding is down to a few people, after the majority of bidders have dropped out. Bidding early only drives up the price and could start an unnecessary bidding war. When you are bidding against two or more people, don't counter EVERY bid, again, it only drives up the price. Bidding later shows other seasoned participants (including the auctioneer) that you are not a noob. Once the bidding has gone beyond what you are willing to pay, keep your hands on your lap and shut up, if you keep bidding (out of spite) to drive up the price, thinking you are going to stick it to your opponent and make them pay more, DON'T. You will get burned. Winning auctions is most definitely like playing poker.

Not sure where they get the ammo numbers from. They’re clueless right now to our purchases.

It's direct blowback so the gas pressure went out the chamber end as the bolt never locks

Best part about Hi-Point is the haters, absolutely luv the nonsense you read and hear about their guns. Personally I enjoy my 995ts, rock solid and accurate.

Auctions are great fun. I used to go to many with my mom when she was an antiques dealer. You'd be surprised how many pieces of furniture worth thousands sold for $50 because it was painted or had some other issue that could be fixed with refinishing. I've also seen junk worth only $50 sell for $150 because of pride.

100% agree... Needs to be stop prior to becoming law but the problem in states like NJ and NY for example... the cities control the state and in the end the state government cares not what we think or want. Its all about getting national support from the party leaders and keeping those constituents happy. Our best bet would be to target local senators. Maybe even reach out to sweeny. The power resides in the senate not the governor's mansion. Sweeny is key. Get him onboard to to understand this will do nothing for the budget but will hurt people locally in there pockets including his fudd's Thats what i was trying to say when i brought up the hypothetical registration. They CAN propose and Pass it... It would only then be overturned by the courts... I have little faith in courts... I have less faith in the SCOTUS as they seem to steel clear of most gun cases unless its completely without question unconstitutional. I also think roberts is NOT our friend. regardless of his side in previous cases the guys a flip flopper now.. i dont think he wants to do anything that would cause uproar. Seems since Bush V Gore he became center left or just refuses to hear cases that are major... Daca is an example... How can they not hear that... Obama Made an EO Trump reversed an EO and the lower courts said Obama can write it but Trump cant reverse it... Its very clear that immigration is in the hands of the congress not the president.... its not even debatable but the SCOTUS will not hear it... this tells me something. Good question.... I think it might come down to primarys..... We might have to choose who runs where... Even if that means registering as a democrat for the primaries. Pick the most unelectable and give them a run for their money. Works for the Dems. I have faith that they will rule in our favor.... I have little faith they will take the case. Scotus is not the answer.... I'm not sure why they dont take NJ cases.... Baffles me... Can it be that roberts would side with the liberals? He does seem to not be a fan of the president... Possible he would not want to give a win to the right as a slap for electing trump? Who knows.

Crazy, I was just looking at this yesterday. Was quite surprising to learn that 4 MOA was acceptable! PPU Match Ammo is supposed to be quite good but if you are getting 3 MOA out of PPU, awesome. Their loads sometimes run a tad hot however it is pretty well priced ammo and always a great source for brass for when you plan on reloading for yourself. If you are able to reload, do so, you will always be able to find a load that works for you.

3 MOA is pretty good with PPU ammo. I've never shot PPU 30-06 but in other calibers their ammo is not particularly accurate IMO. My Garands (all stock no accurizing) will shoot that or a little better with Greek HXP or my reloads. The field grade I have with a Danish VAR barrel will consistently shoot 2 MOA with HXP. Better ammo will reduce the size of your groups but not by that much. IIRC I read somewhere that 4 MOA was acceptable in a Garand. Try some different ammo. Remember the M1 was intended to be a precision rifle. It was intended to sling quantities of lead faster than a bolt action and it does that well. There are a lot of things you can do to accurizing a Garand but you'd have to spend a lot of money get a M1 shooting 3 MOA down to 1 1/2 MOA. A lot of those things aren't permitted in Service Rifle competition.

Same with me. I wasn't craving anything special, but thinking, if Murphy goes all communist, maybe now's the time to fill in any holes in the stable, before we're forced back to muskets.

Tell me how to change the minds of our legislators? Write letters, email or call them? Protest in person? It never worked in the past, what makes you think it will work now? SCOTUS IS our only hope.......FACE IT!

Can they use a different browser or device? I've had things that were broken because of various extensions, or the browser itself being uncooperative. Switching to a different browser which either handles things differently or doesn't have the same stuff installed is usually enough to fix it.

Sounds like your PD is anti 2A for it's residents! Mine is VERY pro 2A. The leadership believes we should all have CCW rights. Seems the amount of bullshit we put up with is not all on the state. Much is due to the personal opinions of the local PD leadership! I did the online form and paid $21......Paid $6 to PD.......Waiting for permits! What a difference a good CLEO that abides by his Constitutional oath can make!

Made in America for Americans!

Johnny, Please keep me informed of your progress. I haven't put in for any permits since 2017. But I bet Michelle still has to type out your permits on her Underwood!

He reminds me of some people on here.

Almost the entire state house is up this November. If people will wake up and vote a turn over would render The Beav impotent.

It will no doubt get worse before better. BUT the only saving grace will be that they will step over the line and force a constitutional issue that the courts cannot ignore or accept. I drive to NYC every day... It cost a fortune.. I also notice more and more PA plates.. So people are moving BUT still contributing to the left wing in different ways. I just wish people from PA would move the fuck over when they are driving 47 in the fast lane but that's an entirely different thread.

There is a breaking point... What that point is no one knows... Is it a 50.00 permit fee? $400.00 non existent carry permit fee or the fact we pay the highest property taxes in the nation... If $15000 - $20000 a year in property taxes on a regular house (not ultra Rich) did not do it will a permit fee be the breaking point... I doubt it. Even with all this we will have a voting block that lazy and uninformed. Just so you know.... Its been many months since the mag limit was signed and we still get people asking "If" the law changed... This is one of the scariest thing you can imagine.... They are so uninformed or Ignorant they dont even know they are felons by default. 1 minute ago, Bowling Ball said: 100%.... those of us who have worked our entire lives to build what we have do not want to see it vanish... The government is very efficient at destroying people over some stupid shit. (General Flynn is a great example), They will use tactics only seen in non free nations to force compliance. Its the main reason law abiding people never Riot, Continue to pay extreme taxes without representation and follow all laws regardless of how we personally feel about them. We even follow laws we know are unconstitutional.

Try code "garand thumb" at gun mag warehouse. Sometimes you get a discount

I would expect that. Heck, most cops didn't even know about the mag ban down to 10. I really doubt they know about the online applications.

I like the move. Essentially forcing NJ AG to justify the “justifiable need”. I’m sure SCOTUS would like to know how, who, what, when such “need” is made or determined. In my view this is the best example of infringement yet. If I were litigator I would ask when the last time a criminal provided the specific day, time, place to the victims of any crime. That to me is the crux of it. No one can foresee the absolute future. And criminal acts does not discriminate, nor should any state limit the right to bear arms as defense against it. You all know this so I’m just offering my view. I am optimistic that we get cert granted.

Haha. Glad to see some fun can be had here. .... but seriously. Taylor ham. Thanks for the welcome. I've been doing some reading up, wanna make sure I dont ask something that's been beaten to death.

I would go with throwing it over a wall at the range and see what happens...

Crying like babies without their pacifiers won't get it done.......what y'all consider advocates here are in it for 1 reason....money....they steal your money in the way of pedaling legal advice or BS pod casts & their range fees....is there anyone in the game that's not there to make a buck on it here in NJ......I don't think so.....omo.