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@Underdog, if you go back in time to when this article was written, there were several prominent 2A figures creating a super unrealistic atmosphere of fear, as @Mrs. Peelsaid above. I in no way believe we should be complacent or just sit and take it (as i said in my article), but creating that fear, knowing full well it was unrealistic was unfortunate and unnecessary. I instead sought to give a realistic approach with practical advice for people. As i said above, our rights were violated, more is coming - but i am no fan of scaring people just to scare them, or whatever purpose they had in their outrageous suggestions. While most of your response was polite and appropriate, I take severe issue with your insinuation of me using this to try to drum up business. I was not the one telling people the Gestapo was coming, NJSP was going to go door to door, that murphy will have to do raids because of political pressure for his laws to work, that ownership of a Beretta 92 or Glock 19 was sufficient for police to get a warrant (on an interesting side note, my 92, which i bought used, actually came with 10 round mags from factory oddly enough). The person who did that, is the same guy who speaks from location to location for $10 dollars a head. you would think his fear mongering, knowing full well it was just that, was designed to drum up business and get bodies in the seats. Nothing in my article was about restricting free speech, red flag laws, reasonable detours, or the like. This was about one issue, prominent 2a figures telling people that the police will be raiding them for a variety of reasons related to magazines or that they face decades in jail for them. Out of curiosity, how many search warrants have you heard of solely based upon non-compliant magazines? Heard of any doors kicked in for solely owning a Glock 19 and its ability to accept large capacity magazines? How many people have been sentenced to consecutive 18 month terms for these non-compliant magazines? How many otherwise law abiding gun owners have been charged for solely a non-compliant magazine? Dont mistake me calling out nonsense with me being ok with the trampling of our rights.

If he wants to shame someone he should start with his Dentist. Since most departments buy separately.. I doubt there is a running total thats easy to obtain.

Electric cars = pork roll gasoline cars = Taylor Ham

Anyone can play your stupid game... GM recalls 1 million pickup trucks, SUVs that could suffer steering malfunction Nathan Bomey, USA TODAYPublished 10:57 a.m. ET Sept. 13, 2018 | Updated 3:34 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2018 General Motors is recalling more than 1 million full-size pickups and large SUVs that could suffer a steering malfunction leading to crashes. GM said it had identified 30 crashes, two injuries and no deaths connected to the defect. The recall covers certain 2015 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC 1500 pickups, as well as 2015 Chevy Tahoe, Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade SUVs. While the recall covers 1.02 million vehicles, GM estimated that the defect affects only about 2 percent of the units. The Silverado, GM's most popular model, makes up about 44 percent of the recalled vehicles. "These vehicles may experience a temporary loss of" electric power steering, "followed by a sudden return," especially "during low-speed turning maneuvers," GM told the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in a regulatory document. "The loss and sudden return of EPS assist typically happens within a 1 second period and is caused by an electrical/software issue," GM said. The defect could cause drivers to "have difficulty steering the vehicle, especially at low speeds, increasing the risk of a crash," according to GM. The automaker said it launched a safety investigation on the matter on June 28. After analyzing customer complaints, conducting tests and completing engineering analyses, the automaker decided Aug. 30 to initiate a recall. Customers will be notified if they are affected and will receive repairs for free. Dealers will conduct a software fix to rectify the defect. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/09/13/gm-chevrolet-gmc-truck-recall/1289064002/

all in all, there is nothing wrong with electric, if you're willing to plug your car in, and if you can afford it. these will never completley replace the internal combustion engine. unless we get some dimotard with enough ooomph to push that. internal combustion engine powered cars though will more than likely become rich boys toys in the not too distant future. electrics when they become popular enough will create issues with the grid. more than likely electric providers will pick up on rush hour type pricing, due to the fact that many people will be coming home in the same ballpark timeframe, and plugging their shit in. in places like commifornia where they already have rolling brown(black)outs, this will become fairly interesting too, as i believe what? 40-50% of their power is actually imported? me personally? i don't care whatcha drive. you can drive a suzuki shitbox for all i care. just don't be acting snobby when someone rolls up next to ya in a 800hp stang, or a suv with front and back ends in different zip codes.

"Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc said on Tuesday it would stop selling hunting rifles and ammunition at 125 stores and forecast 2019 profit below analysts’ expectations, sending its shares down 10 percent." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-dicks-sporting-results-idUSKBN1QT22G?fbclid=IwAR2kEnirpR0A7PugQBBcT2ZOyWuvokWW-_akCOW1Xos80-Slev40hwor5C0 So first you stop selling any guns other than hunting rifles. Then when sales go in the tank because, well, gun owners all hate you and foot traffic in the store drops. You decide to drop hunting rifles and ammo too. I guess? I'd like to know what Reebok did to get the boot though.

(This was originally posted at An American Thinketh) Like President Trump or not, he has exposed how truly powerful and motivated our media is. They have the power to mold public opinion and are motivated to get eyes on websites and clicks on pages to earn their ad revenue. No longer do many media companies earn their income by paper sales and advertisements, but by online advertising, clicks, impressions, banners, pop-ups, and who knows what else. With that being the basis for advertising revenue, journalism has shifted from he who breaks the biggest and most important story, to he who breaks todays clickbait story (often involving the terms MAGA, Trump, or Conservative). No longer are facts checked, sources verified, or the smell test even applied. Media sources, major ones, now run with a story of an unverified source from an eighth rate, high school drop out blogger for fear of missing out on the clicks. It is a model that breeds...and excuses negligent journalism – so long as eyes are on the page. They can always print a retraction on page 17 of their paper which no one reads anymore, or at 3 am in a list of retractions no one will ever see, or at a page on their website that has no way to access unless you type it in directly to your browser. The current overhyped media train-wreck deals with the republished Buzzfeed report about white, MAGA hat wearing teens harassing an American Indian war veteran. It seems an odd premise to begin with, but it went from Buzzfeed to CNN to MSNBC to Huffpost to Mother Jones to The New York Times to the Washington Post to hundreds if not thousands of other media outlets, and even Fox News. The perpetrators, according to the media, were a bunch of MAGA hat wearing, private catholic school attending, white children from Kentucky participating in the March For Life, a march that the media gave no attention to until MAGA got involved. A clip surfaced showing a young man named Nick Sandmann and a now known, professional protestor, Native American, and Veteran Nathan Phillips face to face. Phillips banging his drum in Sandmann's face and Sandmann standing firm with a smile on his face. Immediately the media went nuts on the White, Male, MAGA hat wearing, Catholic teenager from Kentucky. How dare he? Who is he to smirk? Legislators, actual legislators, called for a ban of MAGA hats for teenagers. A sitting US Congressman actually said "I am calling for a total and complete shutdown of teenagers wearing MAGA hats until we can figure out what is going on. They seem to be poisoning young minds.” He has since attempted to walk this back as an actual joke, but his tweet sure didn't seem jokey to me. Judge for yourself: Eventually, after millions of people visited media websites for hours and hours, watching the edited video of the altercation, did the full video come to the public. A new set of videos people could watch on the same media websites for more clicks and impressions and whatever else you call them. This video now showed those students and others, including those participating in the Indigenous Peoples Rally, being subjected to the ire of the Black Hebrew Israelites, a group of the most racist people around. In law school, I was subject to their verbally harassing street attacks and have had several friends experience the same. They hurled racist insults at many in the area. Then came the showdown, as all we had been privy to previously, was the video of young Nick Sandmann smirking in Nathan Phillips face as he beat a drum. We were told he walked up to Phillips and blocked his way. Of course, the video told another tale, the truth. Phillips walked up into the face of the teenager and began to chant and bang his drum in his face. Im glad that Nick had the self restraint to sit there and take it, because a lot of people would have pushed the drum away, pushed Phillips away, or worse. But not Nick Sandmann, he stood his ground, as a teenager, in the face of an adult professional protester hoping to evoke a response. To see what a real disrespect to an elderly protester looks like, this was video taken during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings. Please don't get me started on the mass of fake news spewed during that fiasco. Before this, Buzzfeed put out a report that the President directed his now disgraced Attorney, Michael Cohen to lie to Congress. This was spread around the internet and social media, to the point that Robert Muller had to have a statement drafted, refuting the claim. CNN even had the Buzzfeed editor on to discuss how he would stand behind this story, despite any lack of credible corroboration. But hey, how many eyes got on pages, how many clicks were made, how much in advertising revenue generated during the one to two days this was sensationalized. Let us also not forget about Jim Acosta and his series of broadcasts that he thought would demonstrate how safe our border is. Each video showing the serene sunsets, the local restaurants, the shuffle board courts, and no migrants trying to enter. He did this, and chose these locations to show a lack of people trying to get in, to create fake news that there are no illegal crossings occurring and thus no need for any wall. Of course the nation mocked him and even called out his nonsense, including President Trump who comically tweeted: This all isn't to say that mistakes don't happen. Look what Fox News broadcasted earlier today... Shortly thereafter, an apology was put out and an admission made as to their mistake. What can be taken from this? It's part of that continuing need to be first, whether correct or not. He who breaks the story first, often gets the greatest exposure. No one should be surprised that the media wants to prepare for this. Think how fast a teenager from Kentucky and a Native American beating a drum filled up every social media news feed, whether you are a news addict or the most uninformed social media user in America. Now imagine a 3rd Supreme Court pick for President Trump, being able to replace a relatively liberal Justice with someone center to right. Every conservative will be celebrating the President's ability to nominate, every liberal lamenting the passing of one of their Judicial heroes, fearing the next nomination of the President. This is big, big, big bucks to the media. I make it a point, when I see a sensationalistic headline, to not believe it until I verify it. Part of that is to read the article, yes the whole thing. Far too often, headlines seem to be from outer space, preaching the worst, the craziest, the scariest notion, to find nothing about the headline in the article. Once upon a time, we lived in a world where we could trust the honest journalist trying to break a story. Now, we are often left with half stories, edited videos, unconfirmed sources, and sometimes abject fabrication. Our media frequently tells us what to be mad about, what to care about, what to discuss, and on and on and on. This isn't done out of the goodness of their heart, their desire to be transparent media, or their desire to inform the masses. Journalism is a business, and while the tangible paper may be dying, the online business is booming - and dependent on your eyes and mouse using their product. Be smart and vigilant in what you believe. Misuse of the 1st Amendment is every bit as dangerous as misuse of the 2nd Amendment. Just ask Nick Sandmann, the subject of death threats, doxxing, and attempted derailment of his future. Oh, and proposed violence from former CNN religion specialists...

We should also top calling it fake news.... It's not news at all.... its propaganda. The "news" has become a wing of the democrat party.. This is not new, it's been happening for years. At this point they just don't hide it. Evem FOX (non Entertainment) hosts spread false news and glorified spin... Judge Napolitano is a great example along with Schlep Smith... Speaking of Schlep... he's been MIA... On top of this.. Fox continues to back up CNN when they complain about trump attacking the media.... its all a shame..

We'll just look at their names.... Maybe change it to Stupid Dicks.

I'm pretty sure the Gun manufactures are losing sleep over this.. They make a Legal product. We as FFL's run the appropriate and mandated background check. Guess we should be shaming GM and Ford when their assault vehicles are used by a drunk driver and innocent people are killed. Shit maybe the NJ AG should charge homedepot with aiding terrorists because someone rented a HD truck and ran over people in NYC.

And the same applies to a person who others fear may self-harm. Great, you took guns away from a suicidal person… but now what? You send them home to a house full of: rope? knives? poison? pills? a car (carbon monoxide)? Sadly, people kill themselves using all types of tools. The focus needs to get off of the one particular tool... and on to whatever mental health crisis is purportedly taking place. But, that would suddenly bring up the ugly truth... that we as a country absolutely suck at dealing with mental illness. Well-intentioned, robust patient privacy laws sometimes prevent loving families from even knowing what's happening... and in those cases where they DO suspect trouble, there are unbelievable hurdles to getting someone admitted even for short-term hospital stays (because we have fewer psychiatric beds available today than in the 1950's). And THAT whole mental health quagmire is big... and messy... and expensive... and NO ONE wants to tackle it. It's so much easier to just grab a few guns... and strip a few people of their Constitutional rights, isn't it?

If you say something often enough it becomes true. The only answer is to get news from as many different sources as possible and to process and filter it internally. It is a top-down problem.

Should be interesting to watch fishing and camping equipment sales this Spring, to see if that trend continues. ----------------- ...." However, hunters weren’t so keen on the retailer during the quarter, with guns, ammunition, firearm accessories and hunting apparel declining. According to Stack, the hunting and electronics categories hurt same-store sales by 3%. The company also removed the entire hunting category from 10 stores late in the third quarter where it was underperforming, according to Stack, “and replaced it with a more compelling assortment.” Dick’s Sporting Goods is planning to pull the category from 125 additional stores. Neil Saunders, managing director at GlobalData Retail, has two concerns about the shift in Dick’s Sporting Goods’ business. “Our data show that a lot of hunters and gun enthusiasts have migrated to retailers like Bass Pro and to smaller specialists,” he wrote in a note. “At the same time, Dick’s Sporting Goods has not benefited from an upswing in trade among those who agree with its gun policy.” https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dicks-sporting-goods-results-hurt-by-under-armour-and-the-hunting-category-2019-03-12?mod=mw_theo_homepage That's what happens when a mass retailer wants to play politics.

Actually, the argument I'm making would be the exact opposite. The biggest reason to dislike a smartgun is that it adds complexity, meaning you now have more points of failure. An electric motor has 3 moving parts counting the bearings. And internal combustion engine has hundreds. Just because something is a newer technology doesn't mean it is more complex, and that is what some here are missing.

Here comes the long, slow slide into insolvency....

Last one out of Dick's turn off the lights. I used to shop there decades ago out of state - it was a pretty nice, gun-friendly store.

In 1973 I decided, after much study and rumination, that my first S&W had to be a .44 Special. While at the time everyone was coveting the model 29, .44 Magnum (remember this was post-“Dirty Harry”), I wanted a .44 Special. I told my shooting buddy that I wanted a S&W model 24 and he laughed at me. He said that it had been discontinued in 1967, and even if I could find one, I probably would not be able to afford it. That same friend, from whom I learned much of my S&W knowledge, later came to me and told me that J&G Rifle Ranch (an entity that still exists today) was selling original model 24 six and a half inch barrels. I bought one and salted it away. I was a great fan of the late Skeeter Skelton at that time. He was a gun writer for Shooting Times magazine and a great proponent of the .44 Special. He constantly lobbied S&W to bring back the model 24. While he was eventually successful (S&W reintroduced the model 24 in 1983 and later, in 1985, the stainless version model 624) I couldn’t wait. I guess I wasn’t alone in wanting one because a mini-industry, converting various S&W models to .44 Special, sprang up. I already had a leg up, in that I possessed an original barrel, I just needed a gun to convert. I found a gently used four inch model 28 at a LGS and purchased it for $125. Now I just needed a gunsmith to do the conversion. Skeeter recommended Miniature Machine Company of Deming, NM. Skeeter carried a lot of weight in the gun community, because when I contacted them about doing the conversion, I was put on a wait list – how long? Approximately a year. Sigh. Very shortly thereafter, I read an article in another gun magazine about a gunsmith in CA that was doing this conversion. I contacted him right away, liked what he said and gave him the job. My 28 and the 24 barrel got shipped off to George Matthews in Downey, CA. He bored and recessed the cylinder as well as making sure that it was square to the forcing cone. Installed the barrel and changed the Patridge front sight to a Baughman ramp with a gold insert. The beauty of using the original model 24 barrel was, not only did it have the correct roll marks, but it was satin finished, just like the model 28. I didn’t even need to have the gun refinished. My buddy and I went a little further when I got it back. We installed a smooth combat trigger – common today, but not so much in the early 70’s. We also installed a SAO model 14 rebound spring – again, entities like Wolff, Wilson or Miculek weren’t offering spring kits so this was the hot set-up to help reduce trigger pull. Sometime in the mid-80’s, as my eyes deteriorated, I installed a red dot optic using a B-Square, “no-drill” mount. It was a Tasco ProPoint and was huge. This was when Tasco optics were sourced from Japan and of good quality. It still resides atop that gun today. My converted model 28 is the most accurate of all the Smiths I own. Aside from the .44 Special being an inherently accurate cartridge, the work that George Matthews did, all contribute to its accuracy. Many turkeys and hams were won with that gun. Here is that gun… This is all back story to establish how much I love the .44 Special. Over the intervening years, since my conversion came into being, I have managed to accumulate a few more .44 Special revolvers. Not all of them S&W’s, but most are. I tell you all this to introduce you to what will be the pinnacle of my small .44 Special collection. I related the story of my encounter with all of the Heritage Guild stores in another thread – while that ended in disappointment, it primed my pump for a new addition to the safe. Saturday night I spent several hours combing 52 pages of S&W revolvers on a classified ad website for guns. Only one spoke to me. In 2001 S&W introduced a series of revolvers called the Heritage Series. This offering was in collaboration with the S&W Performance Center and Lew Horton Distributors. These were not exact copies of older guns (30’s and 40’s) but rather paid homage to them. They were a very divisive offering. It seemed the gun community either hated them or loved them – I fell into the second camp. This series of guns were available in several finishes, depending on the model. There was a blued finish as well as a nickel finish, but the most desired finish was a color case hardened frame done by the master, Doug Turnbull, himself. These frames were paired with a blue cylinder and barrel. It was this variation of a model 24-5, that I came across in those listings. A couple of negotiating e-mails later, and the gun, number 25 of 327, was mine. I just sent off the funds this morning. Here is what I am getting… Now the hard part, the waiting. I have two guns at my dealer right now. I’m waiting for my OGAM exemption to come from the NJSP. Since the exemption purchase is outside of the OGAM framework, I’ll be able to purchase the 24-5 separately regardless of the time interval. I hope to bring all three home at once. Adios, Pizza Bob

Bob, are you retired? If you are, I think there’s a position waiting for you as curator of the revolver wing at the NRA museum.

Red Flag law are very worrisome. I already had a leftwing loon threaten me personally with it.. Of course i contact the NJSP, ATF and Local PD once he said it.... Thats the problem with these idiotic laws... they are to be used against us for any reason. Never underestimate the lengths they will go.

FAKE NEWS quit trying to make NJ look good.

Wow! Agreed IC engines will never go completely away but like it or not electric looks like it is the future and Tesla has raised the bar pretty high. Just like the iphone, more companies will build on their success, create competition and ultimately offer a better, more refined car.. I am no sierra club member..In fact I hate those fucks.. I still ride a 2-stroke motorcycle. I like to mix gas and oil. I love the smell of 2-strokes in the morning That said, people can't bury their head in the sand and pretend like it's not going to happen... It just makes them sound like grumpy old men tying to hold onto the past.

Haven’t read anyone mention the potential for the fee increases to drive some folks to illegal gun purchases? Under the current system they can track background checks and firearms ownership (FIDs and P2Ps provide that). It seems to me that increasing the price of legal transactions, will lead to an increase in illegal transactions - no background checks, no notification to police (works fine for criminals). Already, folks chance crossing state lines for ciggarettes, fireworks, avoid sales tax, etc., what’s to say you want to buy a firearm from a relative or a friend at a range....the transfer is going to cost more because the FFL has to charge more to pay his fees, the P2P is now 2500% higher than previous....economically there’s good motivation there to take a chance of not getting caught.... Seems to me, this Governor is even dumber than given credit for....

Y'all could close the thread on this note. You won't, but you could.

Pizza Bob you always add so much to this forum! Great knowledge, beautiful pics of very unique guns. We appreciate it all. I want to also add and I'm sure I'm not the only one but when ever I read your threads you make me want to go get more permits just to get a fine wheel gun!

JimB1, there is only ONE reason for what Murphy is doing. Eradicate gun ownership in NJ, any which way he can, hook or crook.

I'm curious about what retired officers have been arrested and had this tested in court? HR218 indicates "notwithstanding any State or Local Laws". I've seen a couple of cases where NY and CA both lost their cases. I also read the infamous 'letter" from the NJSP where it stated you only need the state ID if you plan on working, but only need HR218 if you plan on carrying personally. The letter was retracted. I suspect NJ would NOT pursue a charge against a retired officer who has not complied with their permitting process. If they loose it would look bad for the State and set a rock solid precedent. Shown Here: Public Law No: 108-277 (07/22/2004) (This measure has not been amended since it was passed by the House on June 23, 2004. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 - Amends the Federal criminal code to authorize a qualified law enforcement officer carrying photographic governmental agency identification to carry a concealed firearm, notwithstanding any State or local law. Declares that this provision shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that: (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or (2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park. Defines "qualified law enforcement officer" as: (1) a current governmental agency law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm, who is not the subject of disciplinary action, who meets agency standards which require the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm, and who is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance; and (2) a retired law enforcement officer who retired in good standing from public agency service, who was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer for at least 15 years, who has a nonforfeitable right to agency retirement benefits, who has met the State's standards for training and qualification for active law enforcement officers to carry firearms during the most recent 12-month period, and who is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance.

I contacted his office telling them no one in my immediate or extended family will be voting for him in 2020 and that before he dismisses the dozen or so votes he is losing, he needs to realize that I am just a sampling of what his constituents think about his Op Ed and other anti 2A statements he has made over the years. He personally probably could not care less about my message. But if he loses, I plan to follow up with an “ I told you so” message.

She’s a little dark, but she has the right idea about how to handle Zeke...

Peel, I have suspected this about you for a while, but now I am almost certain. You are a closet dominatrix, aren't ya. I would not be surprised to find an iron maiden in your dungeon... er, I mean, basement.

Actually, for the money, the Freedom is very tough to beat. Plenty have done beater tests on them and they pass quite well. Take a look at the reviews, they are great value!

That reminds me of how FPS Russia wanted to get shot while wearing a bullet proof vest, or him shooting his fans with rubber bullets.

I like the cut of your jib, Peel!

Oh, pls! Who wants him to be a willing participant? He doesn't need to "agree". In fact, the more he resists, the more it will drive ratings. Picture this: a howling, terrified Zeke, dragged into the ring in chains, and THEN tased by Mrs. Zeke... as the crowd roars! Think of the DRAMA, people!

LEO do not need the CCW, they are covered under HR218, unless they plan on taking an armed SORA job, then they need the permit.

I wonder if folks on the automotive boards spend this much time arguing about firearm technology?

I just watched the the latest offering...nicely done! Oh, and I subscribed. Looking forward to more content.

Welcome, if your into shotguning Quinton sportsman club can't be beat. They have it all, trap, 5 stand, skeet, just a normal field for hand throwers and there's 2 manual machines, also my personal favorite the 16 stand sporting clays. You can rent a golf cart, bring your own or just walk, it's a really nice walk through the woods. It's all open to the public. Friday nights theres dinner and all the SG venues. Sundays the kitchen is open for breakfast and lunch.

if you're talking about the KSG-25, yes it's legal and has always been legal. Except when you're hunting in NJ, then yo uheed double Duck plugs........Lol

Pretty much any law you hear about in a gun store likely does not actually exist anywhere but the head of the guy telling you about it.

1.5" brakes arent actually 1.5" Almost all of them are marketed as such to indicate they take a standard 14.5" and make it 16" compliant... some actually make it longer than 16"

This man is on a mission, God bless him.

Fudds be damned!

It’s what happens in every thread here when someone doesn’t agree with him. Don’t waste your time. It’s useless.

What I don’t understand is why no judge would rule this law, in part already effective in NJ, to be violating our constitutional right to keep and bear arms? So that right is good enough for Americans, except those in NJ and NY.......? The left judge shops... why doesn’t the right use the same tactic? I feel like I’m missing something. Seriously. The anti 2A gang games the judicial system with zero consequences. It there a reason pro 2A groups don’t do it? Or at least not successfully.

C'mon out to the next Shotgun Shoot.

Grumpy old men have trouble opening things. Eyes, Ears, Minds..

BWC ... GFY

On the NJSP site for FAQs ( http://www.njsp.org/firearms/firearms-faqs.shtml ) question #6 reads: How do you transport firearms? Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported. Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console. So, as usual, they're talking out of all three sides of their mouth. I'll lock'em up in a job box.