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Yep. Who'd have thought that a thread asking for an architect's opinion--right there in the thread title--would get so heated when an architect's opinion was provided.

Actually Glock chose Chuck Norris for protection.

That being said I think AVB has this covered. I got my own problems . Just got done using roundup on the mulch beds to kill the emerging weeds and when done my wife’s asks me if I noticed her tulips starting coming out..... they looked like weeds to me and I just remained silent.

@AVB-AMG make attics great again! Oh that’s gonna leave a mark

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@Sniper: When calculating loads, any "stuff" stored in the newly created attic space is considered live load. That, in addition to whomever is accessing that space to store and retrieve that stuff is also live load. So keep in mind that whatever is being stored up there will be "using it everyday".... The concern is not really the thickness of the plywood floor sheathing but the load capacity of the floor joists. The load capacity of the wood floor joists is determined by their vertical dimension and the clear span between supports, whether those supports are a load-bearing end wall, or wood girder or a doubled wood stud column, etc. Also, who knows who the next owner of that house may be and what they may decide to store up in that attic space....? None of this is "over thinking", but is a prudent exercise in safety to provide reassurance and peace of mind that he, (the O.P.), is not inadvertently creating a potential safety hazard. AVB-AMG

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-xcompact.html Interesting new Toy from Sig Sauer. Sub compact slide on a Compact X-series Frame. What ya think?

Love the TSX but be careful. I shoot 62gr TSX for medium sized gave out of a 22Nosler. Because they're pure copper they are longer per given weight than a lead bullet. Thus, barrel rate of twist needing compatibility with bullet length (not weight) may effect your accuracy. Just saying and shoot, shoot, shoot. Talk to "Bully" if you need bedding. Have fun, prepare well and "reach out and touch someone".

@Zeke: Now that was funny.....! AVB-AMG

Correct. As much as it bothers me avb is right. If u can’t trust an architect and an ffl confiming his finding who can u trust

Sure it does. It tells us that standard precut batts are the right width!

There were a bunch in the 700 million but amazon was the lead. That will help legitimize Rivian who has had some fits and starts along the way. There trucks should be interesting. If you are into trucks you should check this one out. https://www.bollingermotors.com/ You can ride in it for free.

I may have mentioned earlier in the thread that I pre-orderd the Taycan. I like electric cars because they're fast and very cool tech.

It was amazing

0-60 2.4 seconds for a 5,000 lb street luxury sedan is really impressive. It hurt my gut a bit

I thought we already settled this debate. Consensus was if you want an electric vehicle buy this.

Mixed parts and failed ideas? I mean I can see how there is zero up side to sticking the mustang name plate on a crossover. You will gain nothing but backlash. That bit aside though, SUVs and CUVs aren't failed ideas. Being a new EV, it will likely share less parts bin staples than other models. Unless yo mean the mustang. Because the notion is that for the next one it'll be based on an SUV chassis, kind of like the taurus before they killed it.

Demo Ranch is a great channel... I am also wondering if this thing can be legal in NJ.... @Zeke you know i want this and you will shoot it...hell all of you can shoot it if i can get my hands on one.

For my wife,we installed a youth stock and a 26” barrel on her 11-87 20 g. @DaddyNick has the same setup with a 20” barrel or somewhere around there. The only thing I hate about the 11-87’s is the slide release and loading button. If I were to buy another semi, it would be an inertia gun with easy loading

Concur with @ Krdshrk on a 20 ga. Youth Model gas gun! Here's 4', 11" Sandy on a Pheasant Hunt with my 20 ga. Beretta Yout Model, complete with the "h" missing on the inscription, lol!

Nope not for me! 7 inches in the past 2 days

It is probably like the Shield being light and thin. Trigger control and grip placement in the hand. Utilize thumb of shooting hand and support hand with pressure on the side and use tip of finger on trigger.

Kicking Christmas boxes = broken ornaments True story

a 2 X 6 depending on the species of wood usually has a max span of 10'-0 - 12'-0" or so.. you right at that point... how much weight are you planning to put up there and how many sheets of 4 x 8?

FYI, Plenty of home improvement websites state it might be safer to use 1/2 plywood over 3/4 due to the weight and not to overload the joists. Weight per 4 x 8 sheet 1/2”40.6 lbs 5/8”48 lbs 3/4”60.8 lbs "The joist spacing in some attics is 24 inches, and 1/2-inch sheets will sag and possibly break when spanning that distance. You need 3/4-inch plywood. The thinner plywood is acceptable when the joist spacing is 16 inches. If you plan to finish the floor in the attic and turn the room into a living space, however, you should always use 3/4-inch plywood. Thinner plywood can flex when you walk on it -- even with 16-inch spacing -- and this will damage the flooring." IMO If 20lbs over a span 32 sf makes it a danger or less safe then you might other structural issues. 1/2 plywood might be strong enough but when you are walking on a floor carrying items for storage it makes it very uncomfortable mentally that the floor is flexing.. also pinpoint loads IE a table with legs that you place heavy items on will just seem to sink in the 1/2. FYI: I'm not an Architects and Structural Engineers My family is mainly in the steel industry but we have built homes and just how we do it.

@Sniper: From what you have written in your post above, it is clear that you do not understand the basics of how residential balloon frame wood structural design works. Not to worry, many people do not understand it and that is why they hire Architects, Structural Engineers and General Contractors to determine the best solution to safely meet their residential structural goals. What is reckless and potentially dangerous is for you as a lay-person, who does not know how and where the variables of structural loads are determined, carried and dispersed, is stating to the O.P., with apparent absolute certainty, that you know that his existing situation will work for his intention. Of course, who cares if you are wrong..... you are just some guy giving his silly uneducated, as well as unlicensed opinion on something you know nothing about. We Architects and Structural Engineers have studied theses issues and are tested and licensed by both state and national registration organizations for a reason. Unlike you, we have an obligation to gain an education from both formal schooling, apprenticeship to other licensed professionals and from our work experience. We must be knowledgeable of and to adhere to accepted means of design and construction in order to, at the very least, meet the minimal established standards for safety and durability, as well as adhering to all applicable building codes. You may be knowledgeable about many things, but this topic is clearly not one of them. AVB-AMG

The difference in price between 1/2 and 3/4 is minimal unless this attic is 10000 sf. Point is why bother with a lighter thickness for a few bucks more you will have a sub floor that is over engineered and able to hold plenty of weight in case the attics needed as a safe location during the Zombie Apocalypse. I'm hurt I would say take AVB and My advice... We are both in the building trades.

20 g semi.

A quick vid of some laser stippling getting done. Kryptek pattern with ranger insignia inserted.

Ha.. I really hate having that same problem. I have my three sitting.. decisions, decisions.. Plus I had to go out of town for a week, so valuable time is clicking off the clock without making a decision..

Come try my Tristar Viper G2 Youth. Soft shooting and convertible to full size for adults. I also have a Remington 11-87 12ga - super soft shooting as well.

I consider myself an ethical hunter and if I were you this is what I'd do.... Chrono the load. Map it out (fire it ) at 100,200,300. Compare results to a ballistics chart you develop based on MV and BC and adjust. Extrapolate out to 400. Hey you better develop a ballistics chart anyway what if you get a longer shot?

Club steel from 50 yards out placed about every 100 yards. Some swingers, mostly static. He paints it daily so you should see your hits if you get there early in the morning when its still pristine. Pretty flat and wide out to 700 then it starts to incline. 1000 is up on a mountain top away from the rest of the range. Different arrays and sizes of targets. From 400/in its more of a shooting gallery. I think he has a silouette of a full size deer or elk at 400. After 400 there is less variety but usually a full size ipsc (or similar) and one/two smaller plates for more of a challenge. Full size IPSC at 1000 and 12” plates. He had a 6’x6’ sheet of steel up there at 1000 which was nice to see where you were hitting if not sure but I think he took it down. There are target stands at 50, 100 etc if you want to put up paper.

The originally asked me, but I told them their stuff was too fugly. I'm waiting for something sexy like a Beretta to come along.

For all the good this system does speeding up the references it don't mean shit in the end! I just got my permits today after just over a month's wait! The longest I have ever waited! The worst part is now I gotta go out and buy 3 more handguns that I don't really need!

Another thing every needs to keep in mind, this is an attic, that only gets accessed very seldom. It's not a main living floor that has people and furniture using it every day. Don't over think the obvious. Holiday decorations don't weigh all that much. Now, if he's storing ammo up there....

Wow we agree.

Carrying a gun should be comforting. It doesn’t necessarily have to be comfortable.

From a pure shooting standpoint, the bottom finger of your grip - preferably the pinky - is the most influential out of all your fingers when considering speed and accuracy. Can you shoot well without your pinky on the grip? Sure. But nearly everyone on the planet will shoot better with all of their fingers in contact with the grip. It’s leverage. The longer (talking length - not time, here) your grip is, the more leverage you have to combat recoil induced muzzle flip. Would you swing a hammer with your pinky off the grip? Turn a wrench using only your first three fingers? Hold a baseball bat or tennis racket with your pinkies hanging out in space? Of course not. It feels weak and uncomfortable. I agree with Ray. I see it all the time when people are buying guns. They want the smallest gun they can get, then they realize they shoot it better with a full size grip and fix it with mag/grip extensions If you are gonna get grip extensions anyway, just get the bigger gun. You will shoot it better, it will absorb recoil better, your split times will be faster, your draw will be cleaner. Ok, sure, it’s a little heavier than the smaller gun. By what? A few oz? Example: Glock 19: 20.9oz Glock 43: 16.2 oz So in an effort to save 4.7 oz someone will choose to carry a less capable gun that they don’t shoot as well. Then add an extended mag that makes the grip (the hardest part of the gun to conceal) the same size as the bigger gun anyway? Doesn’t make sense. Smaller guns have their purpose in certain circumstances, but a full size gun, that you can get ALL of your fingers on - especially your pinky - will almost always be easier to shoot accurately and fast.

I didn’t see any on Zeke’s menu list.

That is sick. Nice job! I don't think it’s legal for those of us stuck in NJ to even look at something like that. (Deleting browser history...)

Hotness. When I move out of here, my first rifle will be built like this + a suppressor. Basically put as much anti-NJ as I can in a single rifle haha.

I have a habit of buying 2-3 of what ever the state is trying to ban... Fook em!

IT'S kinda far for me....but that inspection thing alone will prevent me from ever going there to buy or shoot.

It would bother me. It’s none of their damn business. Does he get a medal or patch for every 5 rifles he finds that are out of “compliance?” His job is range safety officer not a cop.

I still say 1/4 inch will do.

That is what I said, without writing a short novel. The open span is a bigger issue then the load, if the ceiling joist isn't being supported by a wall below. And the "live load" only uses a small portion of the total available support of the attic floor joists, in most cases, unless someone is storing a library of books or some other uncommon heavy items. Yes, an attic has "live load" with the stored items in it, but it doesn't compare to the "live load" on the main floor like I mentioned above. Not even close. The main floor is carrying the weight of all the walls/sheetrock, cabinets, flooring/tile, plumbing fixtures, doors, all types of heavy furniture, personal belongings, and finally people. Plus add in the weight of the attic and what's stored up there. There's a hell of a lot more "live load" on the main floor joists than the attic, and there's usually very few walls under that main floor to help support it. So, back to the OP, unless he has some really long open spans that the ceiling joists run across, 2x6's with 1/2" plywood would be fine for the average attic storage. The only weight on those joists now is the ceiling sheetrock on the bottom of the joists.16" OC is fine for that application.