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#40 BOB, THE MRS, ROSEY, AND 42 OTHERS ATTEND CNJFO WING-DING AND MEET & GREET! NJ PATRIOTS ATTEND CNJFO's 2ND ANNUAL "WING-DING"! FIGHTING BAD GUN LAW TAKES MORE THAN CHICKEN FEED! by Black Wire Media Friday April 12, 2019 www.cnjfo.com/join-us Membership or gun ownership wasn't required at the Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners' 2nd annual "Wing-Ding and Meet & Greet" held Wednesday April 10th at Manville Pizza and Restaurant Est. 1969 in Manville, NJ. The only requirements were an appetite, a love of the Second Amendment and a willingness to help. Six new and/or renewing members were inspired by our progress and joined at the party. They each received their complimentary t-shirt, then helped the other 40 members, guests, friends and sponsors inhale 200 pounds of gourmet wings, pizza, fountain drinks and zeppoles. Swag from Henry Repeating Arms Co., NJ Concealment Furniture, ANJRPC, Black Bag Resources, NRA-ILA and CNJFO were raffled and a 50-50 was won and donated back to us by ANJRPC News & Briefs Editor Marjorie Kleiman. This was the second time the Coalition held this fundraiser at owner Anthony D'Aniello's restaurant, in his family since 1969. D'Aniello, a NRA Benefactor Life Member, hunter, and #2AHeavyLifter, brings in extra staff to deep-fry his delicious wings and set-up a buffet table near his counter. Old Bay, BBQ, Buffalo, and Sesame-Pineapple w/ bacon crumble wings were all devoured by the capacity crowd that traveled from as far as Brick, Rockaway, Nazareth, PA and many points unknown. Matthew Andras, CNJFO President, welcomed everyone and thanked them for their support. Will Korman, Shows & Community Outreach Committee Chair, assisted by committee member Nick Wong, sold tickets for swag raffle and accepted memberships & renewals, and Vice President David "Rosey" Rosenthal emceed the event and called ticket numbers. Eric Saperstein, our Youth Shooting Chair, made the rounds and thanked folks for volunteering for our upcoming (sold-out!) June 23rd Youth Day at the Range. The Coalition is a FAMILY! Our family WORKS FOR YOU! Our Executive Committee is comprised of volunteers from all walks of life, and we have a common goal: TO BRING OUR FREEDOMS BACK! We need your help to perform our mission. Please consider joining or supporting us in whatever way most suits you. Memberships, apparel, donations, volunteerism, it all counts! You don't even have to live here to help and get a federal tax deduction! Remember, "what happens in Jersey DOESN'T STAY IN JERSEY", so help us to kill the virus before it spreads! www.cnjfo.com CNJFO WING-DING & MEET & GREET HUGE SUCCESS! 2A PATRIOTS RAISE FUND$ TO FIGHT BAD GUN LAW! by Black Wire Media Thursday April 11, 2019 www.cnjfo.com/join-us Well over 40 Patriots ate their way through 200 pounds of gourmet chicken wings and various pizza pies at the all-you-can-eat 2nd Annual CNJFO Wing-Ding and Meet & Greet held last night at Manville Pizza and Restaurant est. 1969. Members and guests from Rockaway to Brick and all points in-between chowed-down on Old Bay, BBQ, Buffalo, and Pineapple infused wings made by owner & NRA Benefactor Life Member Anthony D'Aniello and staff. In addition to Nutella-covered wings and complimentary zeppoles, ala-carte cannoli was also offered for dessert. CNJFO sponsor and member Dan Ingram, President of NJ Concealment Furniture, presented restaurant owner Anthony D'Aniello with a custom wooden US flag plaque adorned with an outline of Italy, which was immediately hung proudly on his restaurants' wall. The Wing-Ding, now in its' second year, was also the official "coming out party" for the Coalition's newest advertising banners, some of which feature famed gun sports Photog Oleg Volk's imagery. CNJFO wishes to thank everyone that supported us last night. Without our committee members, general members, friends and sponsors stepping up to make these social events such a huge success, we wouldn't be able to do things like run matching funds campaigns that have thus far yielded $17,000.00 in direct financial aid to LAWSUITS & Amicus Briefs going to or on their way to the US Supreme Court! So from all of us, a giant THANK-YOU to everyone! You too can JOIN THE FIGHT! Become a sponsor, member or supporter of our Non-Profit and get a tax deduction for doing it! For info go to: www.cnjfo.com . NJ residence NOT required as we're IRS recognized for 501(c)3 status in all 50 states!

To the op. First response in this thread. If he wants more r value ability, what Avb is saying. for you

Let's just say there was nobody running against me.

Oy vay! The amount of time it takes you guys to dick around with an attic floor I could have build you a whole new house.

If your going to fasten the plywood to the floor use screws. Unless of coarse you like nail pops.

Hey, do we all get a section of storage in this new area for all our contributions? I've got some mags to store.

ICORE ( International Confederation of Revolver Enthusiasts ) Is hosting their Championship match , The IRC - At Ontellunee Rod and Gun Club, New Tripoli PA on Sept. 12th - 15th 2019 ICORE is a Revolver only competition that implements time plus scoring on NRA D1 targets. It's " Run and Gun " format is similar to USPSA / IDPA but only features 4 revolver only divisions which are comprised of: Open - Anything goes, red dots, ported barrels, 8 shot revolvers Limited - 8 shot revolvers , Iron sights , no barrel ports / comps Limited 6 - 6 shot moonclipped guns, Iron Sights Classic - 6 shot speedloader guns, Iron sights. There is room for all levels of competitors in ICORE, you can learn more about ICORE @ www.icore.org or feel free to chat with me about the match or sport. There is also an ICORE Facebook group with lots of useful information @ https://www.facebook.com/ICOREshooting/ If you'd like to register for the match you can do so at https://practiscore.com/icore-2019-international-revolver-championship-irc/register?fbclid=IwAR2H9MJoNZl7mKxthg9GuHtzyF3AGW1P-GB5m8UuOjB2191wYcmXMi2nsI8 -Alec McMahon ICORE Board of Directors North East Region.

@Ray Ray I kinda like your 930

@Ray Ray Don’t tell anyone, but I am seriously considering a 320 X-Five...

No way, that's where I keep my surplus ammo, weed and booze. Only problem is the floor started sagging under the bottle jacks, so I had to put more bottle jacks and 4x4s under them in the basement. I bet they didn't teach you stuff like this in your fancy construction school!

@Sniper: Well you are the self-proclaimed expert on all of this..... I hope you are satisfied with yourself, always wanting to have the last word on any topic. It is quite obvious to me and others that you stubbornly refuse to learn anything from what others bring up and suggest, since you know it all. What you fail to understand and accept is that any licensed Architect or Structural Engineer, when designing the structure for any building, has to take in multiple variable factors to determine the worse case scenario. That includes a conservative safety factor. You may think that is over-design but that is part of the reason we have building codes and we have to be licensed, to ensure the life safety aspects of a building. I think the O.P. has heard and observed enough of your diatribes, as well as my suggestions, to be able to figure out what he should do now. From what I can gather, I believe that a key difference between you and me is that while I am also self-confident and think I know quite a bit, I also have humility and understand that there is much more that I do not know and can learn. I want to learn.... Apparently, you do not. Also, you seem intent on just cutting and pasting things you find on the internet to supposedly prove your point, without taking other variables into account. If structural design were that easy then nobody would need an Architect or Structural Engineer to design a building. Suit yourself and do it your way..... I certainly would not want to occupy, let alone live or work in any building or structure that you were involved with the planning, design and/or construction, since I would not feel reliably safe, nor would anyone else. Your constant attitude that you know it all, that you are right and everyone else is wrong, is not just irritating, but makes me realize just how insecure you must be, for whatever reason. I do feel sorry for you. Your linear thinking, stubborn repetition of incorrect assertions, combined with your refusal to acknowledge anyone's ideas or suggestions as having any validity or merit is why I cannot and do not take you seriously and do not respect you. AVB-AMG

@Handyman: FYI - it is my professional opinion that your solution to your sagging ceiling is a viable solution.... Good job! Let me guess..... originally, you also probably only planned to store your Christmas ornaments up in your attic.... right? AVB-AMG

Hell if I know. I've got more crap up there that you could fit in a C-130. When the ceiling sags I just brace it with a 4x4 and a bottle jack from Harbour Freight.

@Pizza Bob buys a Ruger, what's next? @High Exposure buys a Sig? @Zeke buys a Mossberg?

@Sniper: Let me try to explain this clearly to you. The design solution of the O.P.’s issue cannot be considered in a vacuum, which you seem to be doing. The original horizontal 2x6 ceiling joists are 20 ft. 6 in. long and were adequate to serve their original purpose of connecting to and forming bracing of the roof rafters, to address roof dead load as well as the possible live loads, including snow, ice and wind. Now, the O.P. wants to use some of the space in the attic for storage space. So the existing horizontal 2x6 joists need to be augmented to provide additional stiffness and load bearing capacity. You left out an important result of using that American Wood Council calculator, which is the following information of the 2x6 joist: The Maximum Horizontal Span is: 10 ft. 0 in. with a minimum bearing length of 0.53 in. required at each end of the member. Property Value Species Spruce-Pine-Fir (South) Grade Select Structural Size 2x6 Modulus of Elasticity (E) 1300000 psi Bending Strength (Fb) 1943.5 psi Bearing Strength (Fcp) 335 psi Shear Strength (Fv) 135 psi So according to this online calculator, the actual clear span of the O.P's existing 2x6 ceiling joists are just over (exceeding), their recommended span, which should be of concern. Also, this online calculator does not address wind load or seismic load that needs to also be taken into consideration. As a licensed Architect, I also read and realize the limitation of these rather simplistic calculators and highlight their disclaimer below: "While every effort has been made to insure the accuracy of the information presented, and special effort has been made to assure that the information reflects the state-of-the-art, neither the American Wood Council nor its members assume any responsibility for any particular design using this Online Span Calculator assume all liability from its use" prepared from this Online Span Calculator. Those Keep in mind that different building codes vary in what they require for various types of spaces. Basically, a design load is a combination of both dead load and live load. Design loads will be significantly less than the load that will cause the 2x6 wood joists to bend, deflect or ultimately crack and fail. The O.P. has expressed that he does not want his bedroom ceiling below to bend and he would also like to consider the option to use additional insulation between those joists to gain a higher R-Value. U.S. building codes specify a uniform live load of 40 pounds per square foot (psf) for most residential floor designs. This load is intended to account for the large number of loads that can occur in a residence. In reality, these loads do not typically take the form of uniform loads. They generally consist of furniture, appliances and a myriad of other furnishings that actually induce individual point loads. According to the International Building Code for residential construction (2009), they indicate that design live loads will vary based on a number of factors, but at a minimum, 10 psf live load for attics without storage, 20 psf live load with limited storage, and 30 psf for habitable attics or attics for significant storage, served with fixed stairs. I am more conservative and when I take into consideration the other original purpose of those 2x6 joists and bracking, I would design the augmented/sistered 2x6 joists to accommodate a 40 psf live load and specify a minimum of ½ inch thick plywood, preferably 5/8 inch for added diaphragm stiffness. As I said before, who knows what a future homeowner of that house will decide to store up in that attic and I would want to error on the side of caution to allow for a much heavier live load in that scenario. I would also ensure that high quality wood products and screw fasteners are used and that the installation is properly framed, set, blocked, anchored and braced to ensure the the result has all of the necessary strength and rigidity, not just for the added live load but also to address the possible lateral loads that may be imposed on it. Some people, (you), might consider this over design, but I do not. The cost is not that much more and the peace of mind one will have, is worth it in my opinion. AVB-AMG

Just want to add one more thing about sistering joists. Take a good look for wiring, can be a major pia, it's common to have wiring running along side and perpendicular thru the joists.

I will agree with Sniper here. Never saw a sistered joist that was staggered. Kinda like using "stainless steel" bolts in an attic. Waste of money and too soft for structural bolts.

Although I don't agree with 1/4" plywood I agree with RayRay. You are way over thinking this. Bulk of weight will be over bearing wall.

Family members can be references. . . .

Didn't realize it but the fit was a problem, the pin had loosened and the brake did have movement to it.

Luan Lunacy. I like that one. Mind if I may use it in the future? No royalties though.

@Ray Ray stop with the luan lunacy. Jeebus

Take a look how the roof rafters align with the floor joists. Maybe you can just install some vertical 2x4's nailed to the rafters and joists for more support. Essentially combining the strength of both framing members.

Ha! Great minds think alike - which is why I pretty much committed revolver heresey by purchasing this... For a couple years I shot a Smith 646 in IDPA (that's a .40 S&W L-frame with a titanium cylinder). Ultimately decided to retire it as it has become pretty valuable. Shot my 625-8 PC instead. When Ruger came out with the 10 mm Match Champion I decided to give it a try. It has the heft of the 625 and the moon clips from my 646 are supposed to work with it (they do fit, but I haven't shot it yet). I am also going to try Federal's new SynTech ammo in .40 S&W with the coated 205 gr bullet. There are some upgrades on my new MC - most obvious is the Hogue Tamer Grip - this is patterned after the grip they make for the X-frame Smith and is the grip I use on my 646, my 625, and my 586 Brazil. Internally I have gone with a 10# main spring and an 8# rebound spring. The charge holes have all been chamfered - I know this is done at the factory - but that is just a start, I've had them opened up slightly more. And last, but far from least, is the replacement of the stock rear sight with a Bowen Rough Country sight. Better sight picture, all steel and very rugged with adjustments that are "locked down". I'll be sighting it in next week or the week after - I have some mods to perform on a long gun (waiting for parts) and only want to make one range trip. Hope to be able to try the MC at Lower Providence IDPA the end of the month. I think Smith was pressured into reintroducing the 610 by Ruger's move to chamber the RH, the BH and the GP100 in that caliber. This is the third time that S&W has "introduced" the 610. Adios, Pizza Bob

This is a great idea... will be reaching out to my people to get a copy of both. =) I will say, personally, the big draw for me was not 10mm, but ability to shoot 40 S&W... and thus a nice gun for gun games.

at 6'4 she should be able to handle a 12 gauge... I started my son young shooting clays too -- he was small -- maybe 65 pounds -- ended up with an over under youth gun from Dicks that fit him pretty well How I managed recoil for him was by reloading shotgun shells -- ended up with a shell with 9/16 ounce of shot -- he would shoot 250 shells almost every weekend at clinton WMA -- lots of lead in the air is the answer as Rosey said...

This is not an improvement..... it limits ur rights and is onerous to say the least.... Mommy may i? We are no better than sheep....sorry its all annoying and BS.... this state sucks beyond belief.

Letter to employer states you are getting a gun.