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Jason - you are looking for hardware solutions to a software problem. Buy a reliable gun chambered in a duty caliber that feels comfortable in your hands. Then buy a shit-ton of ammo and learn how to shoot under the watchful eye of a reputable instructor. Then buy more ammo and practice what you learned in training. Rinse and repeat. There are no hardware shortcuts. An optic will not make you a better shooter or speed up how fast you become proficient with your chosen tool. You need to develop your software - your mind - through repetitive and often demoralizing training. You have to learn what you don’t know that you don’t know. Newsflash - guns are loud. They recoil. They spit fire. The only way to overcome This is to inoculate yourself to it through familiarization. Every members here shoots. All of our guns recoil and are loud and have muzzle flash. We all overcame it and you will too. And anyway - Honestly, the noise and the fire and the recoil is what makes it fun....

In his search for the made up LCM and Ghost guns, maybe the AG will finally capture this rare creature. Sorry for the blurry picture, but this is the best image ever taken of the Glockness Monster.

The A2 flash hider only adds ~1.2 inches to the 10.5” length. It is 1.75” long, but you’re forgetting that the FH goes on to threads. That’s why standard birdcages don’t make 14.5” barrels the legal 16” length. So an 11.5” would be about 26.1” OAL at the minimum.

Gerbil Greaseball can sue all he wants. The purchaser takes title FOB shipping point, in this case legally in Nevada. Greaseball might try reviewing the UCC, Uniform Commercial Code, taught in every business law course. He can't do that, of course. It would require pulling his nose out of Bucky McMurphy's backside. They can persecute the recipient for possession, but that's about it.

Im still not clear here, is all of this coming from the NJSP? or is this now being referenced as an ATF statement...? MM said his NJSP contact gave him the info.. Dark Storm said "per the ATF" The fact is people have been constructing pistols and rifles from receivers since their inception, and the ATF never batted an eye at it. Now, a Non-NFA firearm which has absolutely no extra regulations or stipulations than either of the former is somehow off limits if it starts life as a receiver? So lets recap receiver ---> Non NFA pistol OK receiver ---> Non NFA Rifle OK receiver ---> Non NFA "firearm" NOT OK.. by reason of insanity

Yeah sorry, but I'm still not buying it and haven't seen a single law referenced that says I can't take a legally defined receiver and make an non nfa out of it. The log books that manufacturers and ffls need does not have a standard "type" of firearm to be entered. Just that it's description needs to be accurate.***** AFAIK, a stripped reciever goes into the books as such.. and is NICS as a reciever...and the ATF has guidlines that they should be referred to as recievers and NOT complete firearms under ANY condition. Everything your describing is counter to what the ATF has said about a reciever being classified and not as an example: a pistol or rifle.. and would apply to any other weapon that could be constructed from them... Since there is no law outlining a difference. If it's booked into and out of an FFL as a reciever... Show me a single law or ATF guidlines that says it can only be used to build a rifle or pistol, and not a legal non nfa weapon? As pointed out, everyone buys recievers to make pistols and rifles, if we have a law outlining that non nfa are off limits... Then Lets see it.. otherwise I'm at a point where this is pure propaganda... A whole lotta statements from people with no legal basis in their opinion. I pointed out before and will say it again. The ATF allows you to construct your own weapons. So long as they are not rifles made into pistols, or NFA or AOW.... or in this case a pistol or rifle made into a non-nfa... otherwise..It's all legal.

If @jasonx wants to go strictly 10 round 9mm guns then a 43x or 48 would be an excellent option. But, I always suggest a 4 inch 357 revolver for a first time gun owner.

These will be in NJ Stores soon. Description 100% MADE IN AMERICA. All MODMAT rifles are made from domestic parts and assembled in New Jersey. Fully NJ and Federally compliant when purchased as a FIREARM. Total OAL 26.1″ w/ SB Tactical SBA3 Brace in closed position CERAKOTE FINISH: Blackened Cobalt, Slate Grey Burgundy Bronze, Patriot Brown or Sniper Green. MM Exit 5.56 V2 Muzzle Brake virtually eliminates muzzle climb while shooting. Designed and manufactured in New Jersey. Has NATO grooves for installation of blast shield or silencer. Ballistic Advantage 5.56 Government Profile, 11.5″ Carbine length AR15, Modern Series Barrel. Machined from 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium steel with a QPQ corrosion resistant finish and M4 feed ramp extension. Ballistic Advantage .750″ pinned Lo-Pro Gas Block with QPQ corrosion resistant finish. Modern Materiel 10″ ultralight free float hand guard – Full Picatinny top rail and M-LOK mounting in 3, 6 & 9 o’clock positions. Domestic 8620 M16 Bolt Carrier Group and 9310 bolt with QPQ corrosion resistant finish. Flattop Upper Receiver – 7075 T6 forged aluminum with ejection port cover and brass deflector. MM Lower Receiver – 7075 T6 forged aluminum with magwell texture and integrated trigger guard. Magpul MOE pistol grip with extended trigger reach for more precise trigger control. Magpul MOE MVG M-LOK vertical fore grip. SB Tactical™ Pistol Stabilizing Brace (SB3) – provides all of the advantages of a handgun, but with a third point of contact — adding greater stability, accuracy and control. Also includes: One 10/30-round Mission First Tactical (MFT) magazine.

Hi everyone, we have created a user on the forum here if anyone has any questions regarding our firearms, the NJSP letter, etc. Feel free to post or PM us.

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*koff* weed *koff* fuck yo fed regs *koff* we do wat we want *koff*

PSA The Next Oaks Gun Show date is: AUGUST 3rd and 4Th There was GREAT deals on Ammo there! Of course I will be there with knives and cbd. FUCK Trenton!

So far the discussion has been about AR type firearms due to the obvious modularity of the platform but I assume this would also work with an MP5 clone, a Scorpion or one of the B&T offerings.

If you build the lower, attach a brace because it is not a stock, do not have a P2P, meaning it’s not a pistol, how could anyone legally say you are building an ASsault weapon when the brace is specifically designated for the firearm, therefore no possibility of Constructive possession. Constructive possession has also never been the first charge either.

Maybe I'm confused, but doesn't a FH add 1.5" to the barrel? So if 10.5" barrel + FH is only 26.3", then an unpinned 11.5 will be just shy of 26 at 25.8? Yes. Though it's uncertain whether length is measured from the fully extended position or not, so might be worth playing it safe and going from the collapsed position.

Not a lawyer so here is my non-lawyer advice. I thought the law is actually "constructive possession" not intent. Constructive possession is parts able to be assembled in an ILLEGAL configuration WITHOUT the ability to assemble them in a LEGAL configuration. So if you have a couple ARs and a spare 11.5" upper laying around, you just broke the law because it can be assembled into a SBR. You have no legal way of putting that 11.5" upper on anything and making a legal rifle. To get around that, buy a new receiver and put a brace on it 1st before you buy the upper receiver. A receiver with a brace is completely legal buy itself. Then when the short upper comes it, it has a legal way of becoming a firearm. It doesnt matter if you can swap upper between 2 rifles. You have a legal way of possessing both so you should be fine. I have a collapsable stock on a bolt action gun that can fit onto one of my ARs but there is no contructive possesion there. Or just keep your mouth shut and give the police no reason to be searching your house/apt Edit: It also seems to be an add on charge. So unless you are doing something else to warrant police attention, its HIGHLY unlikely anything would ever happen. I can guarentee you there are people on this board with unfinished, unwelded 14.5 uppers laying aorund

Does all this really matter? Even if you build one who would know it was built? Build one, buy one, do whatever you want because this is all moot. Once the zombies come the laws will be meaningless.

Like the line in Crocodile Dundee, "It'll keep you alive but it tastes like shit".

But it would be building a “non NFA firearm” not an assault weapon, correct?

They do tend to over-react. I had one go absolutely apoplectic because my wife had packed her small bottles of shampoo and conditioner in a 1-gallon clear ziplock bag, instead of the specified 1-quart clear ziplock bag. He was holding up her bag along with a quart bag and loudly lecturing her and anyone within earshot about the obvious, critical difference between them, and how she'd better learn how to tell them apart and make the right choices next time and airline safety isn't a joke and.... I was going to intervene, when I noticed that he'd let my forgotten 1-liter water bottle, in an obvious, external mesh pocket of my backpack, go right through his screening. So I just stepped in really close, pretending to listen to his lecture, while I opened the bottle and began to drink, not 18" from his face. He never noticed... Yeah, those idiots make me feel a lot safer.

It is a tomato pie which has a smear of golden mustard with the red sauce. I was skeptical, but it works. (If You like mustard)

And must it lie flat in the crock pot, or can you ball it up and boil it?

I think you nailed it with that! A lot of their opposition is fleeing, ensuring a permanent Democratic majority, much as has happened in California.

I'm sure I could send one in and have it approved, but I don't have a manufacturer's license. My guess is whoever is telling these FFLs that it has to be a "complete firearm" is doing so to prevent firearm owners from assembling their own for 2 reasons: 1. It allows the NJSP to track who owns them through the FFLs' books should there be a reversal of opinion and they need to be "returned". 2. If we start building our own we can claim they're in common use in a lawsuit. It's all about NJ having control over us law abiding firearm owners and FFLs.

It's the picture from the actual website. I don't think he's a troll. It's a legitimate question, however I wouldn't send a picture of my permit to carry. The statute "2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns" does not differentiate between concealed and open carry. Both are legal with a permit to carry, but unless you're law enforcement, a guard for an armored car service, a judge, politician, or politically connected you have a better chance of finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow then being granted a permit to carry. It might as well be a No issue state.

Yes and yes Learning to shoot a revolver CORRECTLY (using it in double action) will make you a better shooter for semi automatic handguns. Either hammer fired or striker fired.

We need a NJGF groupon for LASIK. Oh, and congrats on the honor. It's well deserved.

In this state, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Sure, you can just drive with them, but to possibly eliminate any headaches, I recommend carrying a copy of the COE in your range bag too, so you can instantly prove ownership. If the guns were bought out of state, some sort of receipt should be carried. Yeah, I know... in a free state...

Nothing needed. Live your life and don't sweat the what ifs.

That’s the more fundamental problem. Leveraging the judicial branch as a weapon.

I hate everything this state and the governor does related to 2A, but as a former LEO (in another state), this case is definitely not entrapment and there is a nationally recognized standard for what is and is not entrapment. The department I worked for would do compliance checks on establishments selling cigarettes and alcohol. We would send high-school kids from our Cadet Program into stores to buy cigarettes just to see if they got carded. If they came out with the cigs or booze, we went in and cited the clerk and/or the business.

Yes... I do think the issue needs to be resolved. Although I am afraid New Frontier Armory will likely close up shop before that happens.

Oh no. You can't build one. You have to buy one of those expensive approved ones.

Oh, dear! I deserved it... I've been shooting for over 3 years now... how did that point elude me this whole time? Sheesh. For the record, I'm going to bestow the Rare Quadruple Face Palm - - upon MYSELF!

First time I’ve ever been able to face palm Mrs Peel. Sorry couldn’t resist. NJ does not allow NFA items at all.

So from your own link.... Entrapment vs. Opportunity The key aspect of entrapment is this: Government agents do not entrap defendants simply by offering them an opportunity to commit a crime. Judges expect people to resist any ordinary temptation to violate the law. An entrapment defense arises when government agents resort to repugnant behavior such as the use of threats, harassment, fraud, or even flattery to induce defendants to commit crimes. From what we know... and is being reported... NJ sent NFA a Cease and Desist.... they did not.

If a cop offers a woman money for sex and she takes it without force it's still entrapment. If a cop offers me pot and I buy it from him it's still entrapment. They asked hey asked and NFA did. They knew very well what they were ordering and that they couldn't. They are law enforcement and they can't ask you to do something illegal and then prosecute you for it. If I ordered it and they shipped it and the cops did their job of investigating it and found out about it then it's not entrapment. But they are not allowed to go around inviting (which this is) people to break the law and the prosecute.

SC needs to get involved as Fed regs trump state regs and fed regs on firearms are vastly different than many states. It's time to push back hard

That store is a victim of entrapment. Pure and simple. https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/entrapment-basics-33987.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment I'm the furthest thing from a lawyer but seeing Turbin Man in action, reading his papers, seeing the laws he's had to re-write (mag capacity laws vs cops) I believe we have one of the dumbest AGs in the land.

At least you got your money's worth.

Bump for those building "Firearm" ARs.

Congrats, @Krdshrk on your well-deserved honor! I know you put in a lot of volunteer hours helping out at various events... so nice to see it recognized!

20 years ago I'd agree with you. The middle of the bell curve was at somewhere between decent and good. Today? So much crap pizza. The middle of the bell curve is at "meh". Too many pizza places, too close together, and too few willing to support bumping prices a couple of bucks to keep on using high quality ingredients.

BTW, I love that Gurbir Grewal and Phil Murphy’s names are on the letterhead....

Yes Sirs.... These will hit stores all over the state in a few weeks. Please feel free to contact me at [email protected] Thanks for your consideration. MM

With Friends Like These, Who Needs Democrats? By L. Neil Smith. June 15th, 2019. ([email protected]) PATREON:https://www.patreon.com/lneilsmith Attributed to L.Neil Smith's The Libertarian Enterprise Rodney William Ansell was a widely-respected Australian cattleman, hunter, and outbacker, most famous for his survival skills under harsh conditions, who served as the model for the movie character "Crocodile Dundee". His business and his family were destroyed by trendy environmentalist legislation. In 1999, resisting a series of new victim disarmament (gun control) laws and other statist incursions into his life, he was savagely murdered by the police, whereupon all sorts of transparently phony charges and accusations were heaped against him by the government and media to defame him when he could no longer defend himself. Running for the highest office in the land, Donald Trump famously promised all of us "deplorables" out here in Flyover Country that he'd protect our rights under the Second Amendment. He mentioned it at every rally, to the enthusiastic cheers of tens of thousands. The sad truth, however, is that the man is a golfer, not a shooter, even if he is rumored to carry a concealed weapon himself. The first time he encountered any political pressure on the issue at all, he folded like a filling-station roadmap. Following a suspiciously spectacular mass-shooting in Las Vegas that we have still not heard a single word of truth about, he single-handedly banned so-called "bump stocks" by Imperial presidential decree. Bump stocks are an aftermarket device that allows a semi-automatic rifle to fire rapidly as if it were fully automatic, and were said to have been used by the Las Vegas shooter. Not that we have any reason to believe what we've been told. Like many another lifelong weapons "expert" (I am a retired ballistician), I have no use for bump stocks, myself, which destroy accuracy and achieve no useful effect. For that reason, the bad-guys are counting on me and my kind not to defend their ownership and use. But -- (a) not only was this an "illegal taking" under the Fifth Amendment, costing manufacturers, retailers, and gun owners millions of dollars, without compensation, (b) not only does it defeat the entire purpose for which the Second Amendment was written -- to defend liberty from the government, which has no lawful business knowing what weapons or accessories we possess, buy, sell, or trade, or telling Americans what is, or is not, acceptable in this context, (c) not only does it it violate a tacit understanding (now null and void) in operation since the 1930s to the effect that, if "We The People" let the feds outlaw certain kinds of weapons, they will otherwise leave us the hell alone ... (d) it makes me worry for the first time about this administration's real agenda with regard to the Bill of Rights. Strike One, Mr. President. Following that Las Vegas event and other pathetically contrived and staged outrages, a series of "red flag laws" began passing in the states, where, it is falsely claimed, the Bill of Rights somehow applies less than at the federal level. These laws allow the authorities to smash into your home and seize your guns, on nothing more than the unsubstantiated whining of some relative or neighbor. This is not only another violation of the Takings Clause (they claim you'll get your weapons back, good as new, in a few weeks, but this is entirely inconsistent with my experiences with cops, property rooms, and seized weapons), it is a blatant violation of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Sections 241 and 242, which forbid the contravention of your rights "under color of law" and set forth penalties for those officials found guilty of it. The even worse news is that certain politicians, including the perfidious Lindsey Graham, are collaborating with Democrats to write more red flag laws at the federal level, and the Trump Administration has done nothing to discourage it. These laws are the very essence and definition of a police state, and they have already allowed one old man in Maryland, who made a stand, defending his rights, to be murdered, like Rod Ansell, the real Crocodile Dundee, by the cops. Strike Two, Mr. President. Lately there have been rumblings that Trump is contemplating a godlike prohibition against suppressors (what the ignorant and butt-stupid media call "silencers"), simply because the accused perpetrator of the most recent politically useful atrocity had one screwed onto the end of one of his pistols. If you remember nothing else from this essay, remember this: _the left always claims that the only way to deal with a crime is to severely punish everyone who didn't commit it. This is insanity; Trump clearly has enemies at his side, giving him very, very bad advice. Lindsey Graham is a snake. Strike Three, Mr. President. Now contemplate, if you will, what comes next. These are not prescriptions; I don't want them to happen. I like Donald and his family; I think he's the best president we've had in over a century. Certainly in my lifetime. They are predictions of an inevitable, dismal future unless changes get made right away. It's what I do for a living and I'm very good at it. Gun owners have always been used by Republicans exactly the same way that Democrats have always used blacks: they're pretty nice to have around during an election, otherwise, fuck 'em. I actually heard a famous Republican back in the 1970s ask, "Who else are they gonna vote for?", "they" being you and me. The answer today, in the twenty-first century, is nobody. Gun people got Trump elected. If those people stay home, next time, if they "walk away" from the Republican Party, Trump will fail in 2020 and America will have lost its last chance to remain a free country. If you wake up, the morning after election day, and Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren, Kamala Harris who began her career humping Willy Brown's leg, Beta O'Rourke, or some other member of the Democrat Zoo Parade is defecating in the Oval Office, you can thank the anti-gun crowd, the Rinos, and other weak-kneed and treacherous Republicanoids. What. if anything, can be done to fix this mess? Write to freedom-oriented politicians (yes, I know it sounds like an oxymoron). Paper letters work best, but anything helps. Do not be particularly respectful. They don't deserve it and Contempt of Congress, they tell us themselves, is the order of the day. Tell them that you're sick and tired tired of being used. Tell them that they must rescind the bump-stock ban at once and indemnify former owners, using the funds, frozen under Title 18, of anti-Constitutional specimens like George Soros, Tom Steyr, Michael Bloomberg, and Bill Gates.They must use federal law as President Eisenhower did in Little Rock in the 1950s to abolish red flag laws wherever they have sprouted, and jail those politicians, bureaucrats, and cops who introduced, sponsored, voted for, passed, or enforced them. As a token of good faith, they must fully legalize suppressors and fully-automatic weapons immediately. They must eliminate gun-free (meaning Bill of Rights-free) zones, if only for the sake of public safety. Constitutional rights are not privileges or luxuries, to be brushed aside at political whim, but dire necessities, as the Second Amendment itself declares, for a free republic. They must formally and thoroughly investigate infamous false flag shootings going back to Charles Whitman in 1966. Further (but not very far) down the road, they must break up California by county and allow blue counties to determine their own fate. Finally, they must separate New York City from the rest of that state, and demote it to territorial status with a Governor appointed by the President so it can't do any more harm. And let the President know his administration is on probation. ************************ Award-winning novelist and essayist L. Neil Smith is a retired gunsmith, Publisher and Senior Columnist of L. Neil Smith's The Libertarian Enterprise and the author of over thirty books. Look him up on Google, Wikipedia, and Amazon.com. He is available, at professional rates, to write columns, articles, and speeches for your organization, event, or publication, fiercely defending your rights, as he has done since the mid-1960s. His writings (and e-mail address) may also be found at L. 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I don't see it as flaunting in the face of the ATF, per say. They wrote the damn letters. I do agree that if enough attention is given, that the letters could change, and the ATF could flip again. or worse yet, get new legislation passed. I couldn't say about the other states. The issue here is that you need a few laws to align just right for it to fall into the legal category. definitions of rifle, pistol, assault rifles or sawed off, length requirements, banned accessories* I wouldn't, even with a letter from the NJSP, bring one even to a private range. The attention brought to this issues is counter productive.

When I first got into shooting in the mid 2000s, I quickly became interested in long range shooting. At that time, the standard recommendation for most shooters was to pick up a Remington 700 Police or a 700 VS and if your budget does not allow that, a Savage model 10FP, both in 308 Winchester. Generally, both of these guns would allow you to shoot around 1 MOA or better with match grade ammunition. In either case however, you were recommended to get into reloading if you wanted to get as consistent results as possible. Once you get above these hunting turned target guns, you were looking at very high end offerings such as the Accuracy International chassis systems or essentially custom guns by well known rifle builders such as GA Precision. Unfortunately, as great as these high end platforms are, they are out of reach for most gun owners. Fast forward a decade and today we find a massive rise in popularity of both long range and extended long range shooting. Most impressive is that you can find plenty of videos of gun owners shooting milk jugs from 1,000 yards to over a mile away with stock guns! So what's changed? I believe there are a number of key drivers which gun owners have to thank for the plethora of options available to them at price points of $2,000 and less. These drivers are both growing demand AND the availability/supply of firearms. From the demand perspective, I think we can thank two drivers for this, YouTube and gun games such as 3 Gun and the practical shooting inspired PRS, which is if you can imagine, an IDPA or USPSA match however you are moving and shooting with a precision rifle, shooting at targets at out at 1,000 yards or more! Fortunately, with all of this demand, manufacturers decided to pour in resources and we now have numerous products at the very competitive price point of $2,000 or less. Best of all, these guns are generally created to be accurate first, rather than being a firearm designed for hunting remarketed as a precision gun. Today, gun owners have such firearms as the Ruger Precision Rifle, the Thompson Center LRR, the Howa Oryx, Mossberg MVP and Savage 110 which use the latest manufacturing processes to produce factory rifles capable of sub MOA shooting (1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, etc.) The overriding theme here however is that I don't believe this would not have happened if it was not for the "Trump Slump." During the Obama years, manufacturers were able to sell basic $500 AR-15s for $1,000 or more. It was only after President Trump was elected and the fear of imminent gun control no longer drove sales, did manufacturers truly innovate and create such firearms at these very affordable prices. This is of course not just anecdotal evidence but can be seen in the sales data. For anyone who has been reading my "NICS Data" research on Seeking Alpha knows that long gun sales are at decade lows. At the same time, PRS and extended long range shooting is quickly growing. The main benefactor here being "chassis guns." The other major change enabling the success in long range shooting is the mass market appeal of new cartridges such as 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? In the simplest terms, the newer calibers such as 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, 6mm Creedmoor, and 224 Valkyrie were designed with different SAAMI specs, predominantly around a bullet with a higher BC (ballistic coefficient) in a larger cartridge with more powder. In short, better bullet, bigger cartridge, more powder giving you faster velocity and a bullet that is far more tolerant of wind. Yes, it is time to settle the debate... 6.5 Creedmoor is an all around better cartridge than 308 Winchester and is quickly becoming the go to norm for gun owners entering this category. After more than 10 years we can start admitting, it is likely not going away, especially as with stock factory ammunition, a shooter can effectively increase their range from around 1,000 yards out to 1,400. Bottom line, are these guns somehow going to put custom rifle builders out of business? No... because there is always that crowd of people who will be looking at a gun that can shoot 1/4 MOA and is willing to pay $4,000 or more on the rifle. If you are happy with .5 to 1 MOA with a gun that you can purchase for around $1,000 and don't need to reload for, then this is certainly an exciting time to be a gun owner. If you have not done so yet, do subscribe and follow my Precision Rifle series on YouTube where we take a look at the latest and most popular precision guns at $2,000 or less!

Man! It’s almost as though you write this shit for them. Throw in a few “where as”s and “therefore”s and you’ve got a second career in Trenton.