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Just out of curiosity.... Define “No apparent reason”. How do you know the owner had “No apparent reason” and this employee, veteran or not, was fired for a legitimate reason? I have never been to this range, and will probably never go there, so I have no dog in this, but you do seem to have a pretty serious axe to grind. I am always suspicious of someone’s motives when I see these kinds of posts. You’ve been here for just a few months (joined a few days after this thread started), only have 5 posts, and they have all been in this thread. Then, you necropost a dead thread, just to slam the owner with what are, for all intents and purposes, unsubstantiated claims of unfairness against a veteran. That’s a lot of energy and thought expended for a mere difference of opinion. Just sayin’....

Totally agree, especially in a state like NJ. Just seems like we’ve gone well beyond what is necessary. I feel like we aren’t far from the legality of owning a hack saw and a rifle at the same time.

I think the point is arguing that a gun is not parts readily available for your use is a stretch... a battery does not stop being a battery simply because it is in your laptop.. a piston does not stop being a piston because it is in an engine.. a stock does not stop being a stock because its on a rifle.. a bolt carrier does not stop being a bolt carrier because its in a rifle..

You guys crack me up.

Shot my first ever match today: IDPA at Somerset. Thanks to @Pizza Bob, @Mr.Stu & @Maksim for answering numerous questions, assistance and encouragement. Some guys there stood out as being helpful as well, but I don't know if they're members here. If so, chime in. I almost didn't go based on a very bad impression I had at a different match/range that I walked away from after helping set-up but before registration. Today proved what I'd been told and how it should be; newbies are welcomed and there's no judgement as long as you're safe/don't do anything stupid. Overall I'm not a group type of a person, but today was good, small group, no attitudes, just hot. It was also more interesting than just punching holes in targets by myself. I plan to return; if only to make up for my poor score today. If you've been on the fence like I was, I suggest you give it a try.

We actually mixed it up a bit today and the afternoon stages were shot with somebody else's gun - if you were willing to loan your gun to somebody else. I took my P320 as it was the cleanest gun I have at the moment and @Pizza Bob was the lucky guy who gave up his revolver to somebody else and shot my P320 instead. I'll let Bob tell you how he did, but he didn't drop it and there were no unexpected bangs.

No, I didn't want to reduce available inventory for you.

There is nothing inherently wrong with understanding the risks of doing or owning something. It also better allows you to protect yourself if you do choose to exercise such risks.. There is something to be said about keeping one step ahead of what seems to be a very anti-gun administration. There is a reason i would suggest building one, even against NJSP guidance, over purchasing one in this state.. If i did buy one, maybe do it out of state.

If the laws were read that way, wouldn’t every single person who owns an AR pistol and a regular AR be guilty as it easily could be converted to an SBR? Its like people want to be found guilty of something at this point. Build/buy your non-NFA firearm, shoot and be happy

The law may be general but it isn't ambiguous. You're just trying to argue against reason. Im not trying to argue anymore than what the law says.... and it does say that an assault weapon is also defined as a combination of parts.. (where as prior case law, bicycles?, did not define them as such) A combination of parts(not being defined by law) is therefore defined by a reasonable person. You cant even convince a bunch of gun guys that a firearm is not a combination of parts... but you will convince a bunch of non gun people on a jury? I count it a blessing the NJSP have been on our side, but a prosecutor wont care what they have to say if they want to nail your balls to the wall.

https://amp.tmz.com/2019/07/21/donald-trump-maga-wedding-new-jersey/ Yup he was in bedminster

One of the definitions of an Assault firearm is clearly labeled as a combination of parts.. What more is a rifle than a combination of parts? If you find yourself trying to justify a reasoning here without directly using the language in the statute, your fate is in the hands of a jury.. Like i said before, the line is drawn with the "readily assembled" language in the law.... I cannot readily assemble an assault weapon if i have to deconstruct other weapons to do so. The truth is... @vladtepes is correct.. the law has just enough ambiguity to be ignored in general.. but if you found yourself being singled out... you would have a hard time arguing it.

Based on that argument... It's open to interpretation in this state. Will a jury believe that a firearm is not a combination of parts? I personally believe if you found yourself in such a pickle that you needed to defend yourself.... you would be using the readily assembled language in the statute.

It works great, nice to know actual wind speeds. I have had it for a year still has the same lithium batts I put in it. This fall I will change them before winter.

How about buy it or build it anyway and enjoy it?

When you post a question, you wait for an answer. Eleven minutes is not long to wait. A full day made you look like a troll.

Please don't mind the negative comments. We are a group that are constantly under attack and any new poster is met with a level of suspicion. Welcome to our board! Stick around and get to know us better....You won't regret it! Some FFL dealers responded to you that it is legal for your parents to gift you a gun without being able to take possession. The general consensus is it would be much easier for you to pick out a gun in California and have your parents pay for it or reimburse you. Good luck and you have very nice parents!

And in the winter we when we went to the PD we had to carry the horses on our backs and it was up hill both ways too.

Was it a Penny Farthing?

I thought it was mastodons.

I sometimes suspect its more like some media outlet/political operative trying to provoke a questionable answer; then running to the mountaintops to proclaim "There's illegal activity on the Internet! They're telling folks how to circumvent our gun laws!" To complete their self-created soap opera, they present their "solution" (more restrictions and hoops to jump thru) as the "common-sense solution" to the scenario they created in the first place. Unfortunately, this is what the libs call "politics"

Sig 320.

@W2MC So, let's see if I get this straight, shall we? You join a gun forum, and instead of lurking for a day or two to get used to the gist of things, OR introducing yourself on the Intro Thread, you...WITH YOUR VERY FIRST POST ON A GUN FORUM, do initiate a thread requiring that you... 1. Jump onto the Legal Threads and set-up a somewhat advanced scenario in which you want someone (your parents) to send you a non-Kali compliant(?) hand gun TO KALI so you can use a little-known work-around to get a hand gun that's not on the goody-two-shoes List, and.... 2. After immediately (within an hour!) ascertaining that this group would desire you to simply use a gift card to buy the hand gun yourself IN KALI, you BAIL, never to be seen or heard from again (in now going on 18 hours). Did I MISS something??

Search of CA law shows that the handgun need not be on the roster to be transferred from a family member. However, in this instance, the parents need to take possession first in order to comply with the Roster Bypass.

Or listen to our Ffl’s here that actually know what they are talking about? The paranoia is confounding

I agree that the post is a little unusual BUT there is nothing illegal about someone paying for someone else's gun. Straw purchase is when one person purchases a gun for someone who is not eligible to purchase themselves. The "Straw" part is the original buyer put the gun in their name, not the end-user's name because they could not do it themselves. The OP's question was unusual, but clear - can his parents go to a gun store and purchase a gun, not take possession and have it sent to an FFL in Calf. for legal transfer to the son / daughter - answer is YES, period! This is a LEGAL transfer from one dealer to another, and it becomes the receiving dealers duty to LEGALLY transfer ownership to the person in Calf. Let's not make this harder than it is.........................

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Trying to take over the world

Your parents can have the NJ Dealer order a handgun of their choice. They pay for it (never take possession), and the dealer sends it to the CA Dealer for transfer to you. BUT, keep it in mind that it must be listed on CA's Handgun Roster, or you can't take possession.

Agreed 10,000,000%!!! I swear, some of you guys would nit-pick a blowjob. (apologies for the vulgarity Peel) Isn’t this exactly the kind of win we need? Isn’t this exactly what we constantly say needs to happen to get our legitimate point regarding personal protection across to the other side? This is not a flip-flop. This is not a “It is good for me and not for thee” moment. This is, “Holy Shit! Violence happens with a quickness. You need to be able to protect yourself. Your safety is your responsibility! So go out there and prepare yourself to be able to defend yourself.” As an elected official, a Dem no less, this guy is going door-to-door and trying to educate people on the 2A. Rep. Ford could have just as easily hired bodyguards or requested an ISP protection detail/driver and been silent on the topic. Instead he learned from his experience and realized he is no more special than anyone else.

Maybe he dropped his P320 down the steps?

Nah, he is just wanting to make sure he is not the only one in the Sig P320 fanclub.... I mean, you drop a gun once and you get scared for life... you want others to be scared with. =)

I keep a picture of Hillary in my wallet in case of emergency. If that doesn't give you a soft-on, nothing will.