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The 9.5” (actually 34-26.5=7.5 not 9.5 by the way ) difference as you measured it is irrelevant and misleading. What matters is the overall length of the firearm in the configuration in which you shoot the gun the best. You shoot an AR best with the stock in position 3 and an overall length of 34”. The overall length of the non-NFA firearm needs to be measured with its brace in a comparable position and the difference noted then. The overall length while the firearm is in a configuration that doesn’t suit itself to your shooting style is balderdash. Barrel length is the determining factor here. From the front of the receiver, to the back of the brace or stock should always be the same length for each individual. It may change by one notch if you are going in and out of hard armor, but that’s about it. The ability to adjust the length of pull is an advantage if you are sharing the firearms with others. Otherwise, it’s not that big of a deal. If you shoot best in position 3, why would you move it to position 2 or 4 if you are shooting.....

All this for a rifle that is 2 inches shorter?? I don’t get the hype.

My PA attorney says there's no case law on how Red Flag might apply to items in a trust with a flagged trust member. So at the moment "Anything is possible. Depends on what the judge decides". Of course PA doesn't have a Red Flag law at the moment. But it may.

Somebody needs to go back to school and do the math correctly. (7.5") As stated, with the stock and brace in the same position, that 7.5" becomes 5.5"?

Agree with this completely I don't have a pistol brace because I care about paying the $200.. I have a pistol brace because filing NFA paperwork is annoying.. and additionally.. keeping something like my Scorpion as a pistol has other added benefits over NFA.. I can bring it to any state that honors my carry permit.. and keep it loaded in the vehicle like a pistol.. technically I can do the same in PA with a SBR.. but a pistol with a brace is less of a gray area..

A Jim Kibler .54 kit rifle. I use aqua fortis acid stain under Tru-Oil, also pulled the breech plug and used Nikal anti-seize grease on it as well as when I installed the Chambers white lightening touch hole liner. Fast ignition using Swiss 3F down the tube and in the pan. Tanner .526 or Lee .530 ball wrapped in .015 pillow ticking. Easy loading, accurate out to 100 yards (so far!). Fast ignition with the excellent Chambers Colonial lock. I highly recommend Jim's excellent kits!

I think your confusing the pistol length gas system. The carbine length is fine. It will run a long time with the caveat that it will beat the crap out of your components. A MK18 used to have a port hole of about .080. Mine is .76. It will be fine.

I was over at MM today. They are building their SBFs as we speak. They just got 11.75” barrels that will satisfy the 26” OAL requirement without any pinning of the muzzle device or pistol brace. They are also machining new longer hand guards that will maximize the available real estate to coincide with the extra barrel length - it adds a whole extra MLOK slot. New configuration looks very sharp with less barrel hanging out in front. Subjectively - it balances better and the extra length actually makes the gun more comfortable, especially when using the VFG and a white light. I also saw the parts for a few 9mm versions in the bins getting ready for assembly. Those are going to be amazeballs.

Unless an actual MK18, 11.5 seems to be best minimum for enough dwell time etc etc.

I know this is the Troy thread, but the MM guns are using an 11.75” barrel - and new appropriately lengthened handguard. This combo makes the OAL of the SBF right at the approved required length when measured against the new ATF standard and negates any required pinning on either end of the firearm.

Used to be by region/state. No longer the case. Randomly assigned.

Spoke with the distributor, he put the order in so most definitely will have one or two with him. He will also have a 9mm version of the Troy A4 as well.

In my readings, 10.5 on a carbine gas system can have issues... 11.5 and up seems to be fine.

I’d rather pin a muzzle brake than the stock to make up the length. And honestly, I don’t understand the fascination with the shorter barrels. 11.5” vs 12.5” is a deal breaker? Really? Have you ever really compared the two? From a handling standpoint, they are virtually identical - barring the addition of a suppressor or the need to fight in and around confided spaces ie: ships, cars, third world shithole houses with tiny doors and rooms. Also, from a reliability and terminal ballistics standpoint - the 12.5” barrel has a slight advantage in my opinion.

I agree with High Exposure. I like mine because it feels like the rifle I used as a young man. I learned basic rifle marksmanship on a M16 A2 which was about 40 inches. I loved that thing. So much so that I built a long barrel fixed stock AR that measures OAL 34 1/2 inches, I move that sucker like its nobody's business. I had access to nothing else really. But this came along and it feels like my old M4 which I loved even more because of SOPMOD but guess what an M4 is like 33 Inches with the stock extended. In the end this contraption with my length of pull is 31 3/4 inches and weighs less. I say all that to say I like it because its lighter, slightly shorter and adjustable like my old sweet heart M4. No big deal but I'll take what I can get.

And what is the writing on the wall? Is the concern over "non-NFA" weapons or short ARs using braces to avoid SBR laws? PSA might not be making "other" firearms, but they continue to sell the AR pistols and pistol kits like hot cakes, which is almost the same thing here minus a VFG. So it doesnt appear PSA is concerned about the brace issue very much

16" rifle (14.5" + 1.5") includes muzzle device. 12.5" non-NFA plus 1.5" muzzle device equals 14". Hence 2" difference. Plus you can put a stock on the rifle.

From what I've seen, 10 to 14 months.

About 10 months for individual and seems to be speeding up.

Oh... interesting. Will ask.

Yes! You should absolutely abstain from procreation also! Mo solid advice For you

Keep your brace for interstate travel. You can go back and forth from Title I to Title II without issue. I will be Form 1ing all my pistols, then over time replacing the braces with stocks, but will keep the braces just in case.

just got a MKVI target stainless model. nice nice nice! put Halo charging ring on and Hogue grips. the push button "breakdown" is the easiest of any weapon I have ever had. 3 pieces in seconds.

Read the first post. =) First Tuesday of the month in the evening.

You still don't get it. .223 Rem IS A HIGH PRESSURE ROUND. 50,000 PSI is nothing to be trifled with when you don't know what the f*ck you're doing. Do yourself a favor - buy and use factory ammo. The life you save may well be your own.

This is what happened right after that question:

My daughter goes to Virginia Tech, at the VT- UVA game I cooked a bunch of this stuff, most of the kids from VA never had it before, I cooked a bunch up, one of the kids tried it and blurted out- " this stuff is great, is this that Taylor Ham stuff I keep hearing about?"

It’s like watching @Mrs. Peel buy a rifle... forever, no end in sight.

solid review. its on my long list of "next" pistols

That's about the right price for these things.

How about an NFA forum. Nevermind.

You have to love the self-proclaimed ROs at CR that don't know when to keep their mouths shut. The firearm arrived at the range in a legal configuration. Glad the actual RO set everyone straight. Shut up and shoot.

I was pretty quick and painless. Started him off with my grandfather's old Hi-Standard, moved to GP100 with 38s, some CZ love in 9mm, a little .357 action through the GP100 and then AR15 and some Marline 30/30 lever action. He had a blast! Afterwards he said, "Now I understand why people love shooting so much!" Indeed. Very nice range. I meet an old friend there and her boyfriend. They are members. So in addition to my guns he got to shoot a Ruger SP101 and a Tavor.

It’s pretty gross that the NJSP said, we can’t let you build these because you’re too stupid to build something legal out of a receiver. constructive intent is nonsense. Buy a complete upper, slap a vfg, no intent after about 22 seconds... Build a lower slap a brace and there is no intent after the upper is built. They’ll have a 20 minute window to come in raid the house and kill the doggo before it is a legally constructed firearm.

This is fact I can say for sure. Call the Chief of Police in your town and ask if they have a discharge law. My town does not

There is no state requirement to be 450ft from anything when TARGET shooting that I'm aware of. There is a requirement to be 450ft from buildings or a school playground when HUNTING with a firearm without written consent of the occupants of the building. There are a myriad of municipal regulations that regulate discharge of firearms and/or noise. A lot of rural towns do not have any ordinances against discharging so the police can only ASK you to stop if they get a complaint unless you are creating a hazard (improper backstop, shooting in an unsafe direction, etc.).

That can’t possibly be true.........or maybe I’m wrong.