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My first hunting/clay gun was a 35 year old (at the time) Stevens 311A SxS, my second hunting/clay gun was an 870. Back then, I shot clays to practice for hunting. Now, I shoot clays with a Browning Citori, because that's all I do with it. I still enjoy shooting clays with all 3 guns, but the Browning is my go-to gun if I'm shooting regulation trap. Some shotguns, like the Browning BT-99 and BT-100 are dedicated entry level single shot trap guns for beginners. It's not a good all around gun, in fact, it's probably the worst since it's a single purpose gun. Why get caught up in what gun is best when almost any gun will do the job, and the "best" guns will severely limit your use. Again, I reiterate, buy/use a gun that will serve many purposes like hunting, HD and clays if you are a casual shooter. If you are serious about getting into clays, then buy a gun better suited to that. But keep this one thing in mind. If you cant shoot well with an 870 or a 500 or maybe even an 1100, going out and buying a $2,000 trap gun will not help you shoot any better.

How ironic. We have a contract up for one of those companies in November. That company has a lot of good competition. Since I get to decide, I will be going with their competitor who isn’t on that list. I’ll be sure to let them know why they lost our business. As for most of those companies, they are irrelevant.

Not that you shouldnt do it. But if you do, be prepared to have a conversation (no matter how unlikely). I've never had law enforcement eye me down when i have 10 round pmags in 30 round bodies. I think for the most part you'll be fine. But there is a chance you should be prepared for it. Thats my opinion.

Thank you to everyone here that has offered advice to me. While at Skytop with my family I noticed they had an intro to clays course. I signed up and admittedly was a bit nervous. The instructor was awesome. I used the Lodge’s Browning Citori 12g. I’ve never shot a 12 or a moving target before. It was so fun! I know I have a LOT to learn but this was a great first step. I think it’s time to add an O/U or a SxS to my small collection and see what Salomon’s is all about since I’m only 10 minutes from there. Again, thank you all... what a great bunch of people.

@Kevin125 I was wondering about your taste... now I can see that you don't have any.... Who on earth does not like traditional Eggs Benedict consisting of poached eggs with Canadian bacon on an English muffin covered with Hollandaise sauce, or for relevance to this thread, Eggs Benedict with that meat product that should not be named.....??? AVB-AMG Or below, with that meat product that cannot be named......

@ChrisS @Bklynracer run what a brung. Whatever it is. @brucin shoots one of the stupid shockwaves better than a real , big person gun. True story

Welcome to the dark side.

Try a Remington 870 Express Magnum Pump Leftie model with an 18" barrel and a stooopidly short LOP. Then, shoot it right handed using your dominant left eye. That's a world class clay shooting gun and superior technique that took me all of 3 minutes to master. Hell I'm almost up to 3 or 4 hits out of 25. Oh - and I know where you can one of those Remi's on the cheap.

Cant believe im doing this....I agree with Zeke on this particular comment regarding poached eggs. Indeed, they are "bitchen". And poaching prevents the worst Egg Sin of all, Browning. #brownedeggsareruined.

It's ironic they call it a RED Flag law.

Looks like the shotgun range is still open then. I only went to the rifle range and saw the sign.

Would love something like this for the PPQ

Poached eggs are bitchen dude. Jus sayen

Im not against buying at all. They put in the work and are free to sell. Me personally I can build one for cheaper using all the same (relevant) parts.

I think we all answered it. Yes it is completely legal... BUT so is walking around with an unloaded rifle with an FID. =P You just have to look at where you will be shooting it (i.e. public range like RTSP/Gunforhire/GSSC/ShoreShot/TTC) where they sell these and understand these... OR at a private club or a place like Range 14 with ROs will be on you to inspect anything questionable. Then factor in what is more important to you and WHY you want to build your own. A feature you cannot get? Or to simply save a few bucks. If it is about saving money... then... Is $XXX worth A LOT less peace of mind? With a purchased gun, especially Troy or DSI which have letters from NJSP and not just ATF, whose guns WERE INSPECTED by NJSP... any questions ANYWHERE... show a copy of the letter with the NJSP letterhead and the conversation stops there. With a home build... get ready to have a conversation. And yes, "loophole guns" is accurate. It was a gun designed and build specifically to get around existing NJ and CT draconian gun laws. And pretty much every manufacturer who makes these, that I spoke with, expects this to get closed in the future.

That's comedy gold right there.

You’re lucky enough to live across the river and if I were you, I probably never venture into N.J. at all ever lol.

@0Jeep4 Scenario... You are a public range shooting this and an LEO comes up to you asking you, "what is this? It has a pistol brace, and very short, you must have broken the law, you can't have this in NJ." Now go ahead and explain to him EXACTLY why the gun IS legal without pissing your pants and stuttering. "But..but.. but.... They sell these, there are Troys, DSI and MM on the shelf.:" "And where does it say "Troy, DSI, MM on your gun?" People comfortable with guns and the law and know EXACTLY why these guns are legal and WANT the attention... should build one to save a few bucks or get what they want. BUT... what percentage of people are actually comfortable enough to have that conversation? And what percentage of people WILL screw up the OAL, or put an AFG or a hand stop instead of a VFG, or will order a STOCK instead of a pistol brace? People not immersed... SHOULD NOT be going out there and meddling in muddy waters, especially when we know the intent and that NJSP wants you to BUY a complete rifle versus building your own. Unless you want a cheap $500 build to mess around, the $300 price difference is well worth having a letter and far less liability in my opinion, especially if you have ANYTHING to lose. You build your own = you are 100% responsible. You BUY yours = You were sold by FFL/Distributors/Manufacturers and of course the NJSP saying your gun is OKAY! Bottom line, what I am saying is BUILD YOUR AR RIFLE... as no one is going to bat an eyelash... but Non-NFAs gather a lot of attention... unless you want that attention, it's not worth taking on more risk.

Well what it does more is add more weight to the muzzle to reduce felt recoil. I think the Weight makes more a difference than actually driving the comp! Unless you are feeding it a steady diet of +P+.

I agree. However if you are not immersed in the law and all the ATF opinions, you could find yourself in tough spot here in NJ if the wrong eyes figure out its a home build.

Contact your local police department that issued them and drop them off and have them renewed for another 90 days. Depending on the municipality and NJ tyranny they may or may not comply.

Early Christmas?

Website says Muzzleloader area... not the shotgun area https://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/ranges.htm RANGE CLOSURE INFORMATION On or about September 9, the muzzleloader ranges at the Flatbrook-Roy and Clinton WMAs will be closed for construction. The range is anticipated to reopen in early 2020. Specific closure information will be sent to subscribers of the Hunting E-mail List when available - subscribe now. Consult the information below for the closest alternate ranges. We apologize for any inconvenience while we make improvements at the ranges.

This: A very POWERFUL Op-Ed written by a 9/11 Victim that has a wound that will never completely heal. His poignant story emanates from being labeled a TERRORIST by some assholes in San Francisco. 9/11 for me was like any other day. Then I saw the smoke trail from the WTC as I crossed the Edison bridge enroute to my studio to meet a client that was picking-up her daughter's wedding proofs. Car radio on NewsRadio 880AM, Tom Kaminski in the chopper, I heard the report of the 2nd plane hitting the towers. My country, OUR COUNTRY, WAS UNDER ATTACK! I immediately KNEW this, my superior situational awareness told me so. Proofs delivered, I closed the studio, sped home, loaded the M-1 Garand (a proven WEAPON OF WAR!), grabbed a handful of loaded .30-06 ammo clips, a pair of binoculars, set up a folding table & chair and sat in my backyard, scanning the sky for CROP DUSTER Aeroplanes, hoping to never spot one. Dead SILENCE 'cept for Air National Guard sorties. See, everything that was in the air was already GROUNDED, and our military was patrolling the greater NY harbor area. THAT MEANT anything else IN THE AIR was a TARGET! Radio reports said the Terrorists may try a gas attack with crop dusters, so I did what little I could. I was as "ready" as I could be. A local Cop I knew & used to trade cigars with pulled-up next to my yard. Puffin' a big ass stogie, he asked me WHAT THE HELL I was doing. So I told him, "LOOKIN' FOR CROP DUSTERS!". His words will forever be etched in my memory: "SHOOT THE CROP DUSTER(S), THEN CALL IT IN!!" The world changed & I hadn't fired a shot! I'm a NRA Life Member. Some fuckin' terrorist I turned-out to be! WAS INSPIRED BY THIS: "SOME PEOPLE DID SOMETHING" 18 YRS LATER! A TALE OF TWO COUNTRIES, THE U.S. POST 9-11! Op-Ed by Nick Chiarchiaro for Black Wire Media Friday Sept. 13, 2019 www.cnjfo.com/join-us Dickens once said, and it was his first few words, “It was the best of times and it was the worst of times,” That is true then for that story in the "Tale of Two City’s" and what I am about to share with you as the tale of Two Countries. It was a bright sunny day over 18 years ago, early in the morning America was waking up to start their day. In the NY area, I am all sure we can remember exactly where we were and what we were doing – sadly some of us would like to really be able to forget for just a bit, brief moments of solace, where we are not constantly reminded of what we are so needing to be able to put away and forget at times. I was in my home office; my day was ramping up and I had been at it for over an our already. It was a beautiful morning overlooking the yard through the window when I could catch a glancing gaze away from the illuminating glow of the computer monitor, so much to do today, so better get to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was upstairs by myself getting ready as the day unfolded. No radio, no TV. All alone (or was I)? At around 8:55/56 in the morning I had been overcome with a desperate feeling of dread, dread so deep that my body shook and I had an overwhelming feeling of the need to call my mother at work. I dialed, fast busy. Hmmm, right number. Redial by hand, fast busy. Line is dead? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then the scream pierced the morning, my wife calling with sorrow in her voice from downstairs – a plane hit the trade center. I processed those words, a plane hit the trade center? My mind saw a little piper cub hitting the building and I thought to myself how can that be, maybe he passed out. She knew what I didn’t till I descended downstairs and saw the TV. Well the rest of THAT day is history as they say, and the months and years after it…. Much of what transpired in the aftermath of that morning is as clear as the day is long, and sadly, I relive it most everyday as I trek to Manhattan for work. We all do it, I am not the Mayor of grief town and own it personally, many people were impacted that day, and we do what we need to do for our families, as much as we want to run far and run fast away from this city at times. Those many people, some I am sure were members of organizations, clubs, groups etc. – both alive and dead. The difference is the dead do not get to get insulted and hurt twice. In the immediate aftermath, there was deep anger towards the Islamic communities, especially when we saw "some people that did something", some of them were actually cheering – some people, we saw them on TV – we remember that too. See the Islamic terrorists perpetrated a hijacking with box cutters and a well-timed & planned attack and used some planes as smart bombs to kill a hell of a lot of people, to strike fear into a nation. The anger was deep – at times it still is. We were all told that you cannot judge an entire group of people by the actions of maniacs bent on mass murder by the media. Do not hold those innocent people responsible for the action of fringe elements, crazy people, sick people who have no regard for life. No regard for live and let live. Sick people. We have had a surge in mental health issues in this nation in the past 20 years, overmedication, no access to mental health services – the stigma placed on people who seek mental health services. We prescribe psychotropic drugs, mind altering ‘medications’ to manage people. We provide no true method to help those that are hurting. We fail those that are relentlessly bullied in schools, we fail those that are on the fringe and ostracize them for the fact that they are different. The vast majority by the grace of God get through the day without hurting themselves or others, but sadly we have had those that are bent on hurting themselves and as many others as they can so they can feel the pain that they feel, each moment of every day. Their sickness overtakes their sensibilities and they become violent. They lash out with hands, feet, knives, fuel, and sadly guns. Dickens also said right after his first few words in that tale, “ it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity”. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last week the intelligentsia at the San Francisco Board of Organizers thought it reasonable, the week before the anniversary of a real terrorist strike, to label members of the NRA as terrorists. As an NRA member I am disgusted to the core that the SF Board of Organizers would paint me as a terrorist the week before 9/11, if at all. Truly the epoch of incredulity! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How in the name of all that is right, law abiding citizens of this nation can be labeled as terrorists, just because they belong to an organization? Well it is not hard to see how it can happen, truly the epoch of belief, as those same folks is San Francisco now call criminals ‘justice involved persons‘, yes you cannot make this up. As we take time this week and every day to look back on the horrific event that plagued this nation both on 9/11 and those terrible murders by criminals, we must place blame solely where it lies, with the actor performing the terrible act. As Ronald Reagan said, “We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” Do I really care that some folks in San Francisco label me a terrorist because I am an NRA member? Not really! In order to be insulted I must first value their opinion of which I do not. But as I said earlier the living can get at least hurt twice, and those statements did at least hurt because I was relegated to a group of people that commit murder for political aims by doing violence and intimidation to the weak. Let us hope that going forward we can embark on a “spring of hope” and not a “winter of despair” in the coming months and years as a nation that can and should come together to heal itself. To live and let live, to allow people the freedom to seek the pursuit of happiness that this nation was founded on. In that spirit, I wish the liberal that knows not of what they speak, the anarchist that seeks to destroy this nation and especially the media. The media that which urged all Americans in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, to not judge all members of the Islamic organizations as terrorists and murderers by the actions of a few. Hoping for the spring of hope, that the media and others, will extend the very statements they used post 9/11, to not judge many for the actions of a few extend the very same thoughts to their fellow citizens, that are law abiding gun owners. We as citizens, we as patriots, we as fellow Americans – deserve better! EDITOR's NOTE: Historian Nick Chiarchiaro's terrorism analogy with San Francisco calling NRA members "Terrorists" struck a nerve in all of us. HOW DARE THEY! Chiarchiaro is a NRA member, shooter, collector, mentor, father of two daughters, husband, and a host of other things. As a CNJFO member he volunteers to both write and teach for the Coalition. He's also a VICTIM with a 9/11 wound that will never completely heal. We brought you his Op-Ed today in hopes of making people THINK before they speak, and to join him in calling-out those that throw around incendiary speech like hand grenades. We hope our readers appreciate both the pain and his calling for healing in a world yet to be. ---The Editors

Figured someone would ask. lol

NSSF Responded:

The first listed ingredient is always the highest percentage within.

Point of order: There is no “Taylor Ham Pork Roll”. The brand is just “Taylor”. That’s it.

Why not? They do it with illegals all the time.

It's an interesting thought @BobA. Ronnie Barrett won't sell his Barrett rifles to Kali or any dept. in Kali. I met Ronnie Barrett last Sept. at the NRA Board of Directors meeting in Arlington, VA. I'll bring it up the flag pole & see who is fired-up enough to give it a good shot ~R

What does this even mean? Retailers that sell direct to consumers already have to be FFL’s and follow those processes. Manufacturers don’t sell direct so they’re not involved in background checks. And financial institutions? That’s just State-funded extortion.

buffer spring and weight.

Went today with my son, we were on the practice range we had a good time. Did better then expected. We each did 2 boxes of 25. 1st round got 14/25, 2nd round 18/25. My son did 9 and 13. Think we used a Remington 870. Did much better then I expected, see the enjoyment, will definitely be going back, might have found another hobby. Watched some other guys doing doubles, will be a while before I try that.

You might not want to make your plans to commit a felony public knowledge, just sayin.

Nice! It’s one shooting sport I find I enjoy enough to do all day.

And a point of order for you, Dearest High Exposure: You, sir, are a wealth of information on firearms... and yet a tragic dearth of information - a quagmire of confusion, if you will - when it comes to the history and traditions of NJ's pork products.