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I tend to put a lot of emphasis on "intent". Remember, this all started with an illegal lane change (something I see at least 20 times on every half-hour trip I take on Routes 78 and 22). Was he speeding? Weaving wildly through lanes? Wantonly disregarding life? Or did he forget to use a signal? We don't know, do we? Also, he was in a pickup truck. Did it have a locked tool case in the back? Or, was the cab the only place for the gun(s)? Again, we don't know. Why did he take the firearms to the workplace? Was he planning to hit a range at lunchtime, but then changed his mind? Did he get flustered when the cop was grilling him - and babbled out the wrong answer? Or, did he just (sloppily and knowingly) forget his guns were even in the truck overnight and then at work all day? Again, we don't know. We only know what we read in the newspaper article. (And we all know how accurate journalism is these days, especially about guns. ) We DO know that the gun that caught the cop's eye was apparently unloaded and in a case. Does that sound like someone ready to rob a bank? I'm not saying this guy didn't make some bonehead mistakes... sound like he probably did. I'm just saying I haven't heard anything yet that says "criminal intent", just as nothing Shaneen Allen did signaled criminal intent either. And, IMO, there's no way in HELL carelessness w/out victims should ever result in a POTENTIAL for 28 years in prison! I'm sorry, but that is just FLIPPIN' RIDICULOUS. We put MURDERERS, RAPISTS and PEDOPHILES in prison for far lighter sentences - and then set them loose after a couple of years of "good behavior". So, yeah... forgetful, careless, ignorant, misunderstood, unfairly accused - whatever the case turns out to be! - I do feel enormous pity for this guy. His life is freakin' OVER!

Guilty as charged - I gotta check to see if my CNJFO membership is still active. On it now.

IF that account is correct, what does stand your ground have to do with it? Once they demonstrated they were armed and a threat to life and limb, you don't have an obligation to retreat.

.... @Mrs. Peel... Hits walk off home run...crowd goes wild...

Gimmie a few bus loads of Democrats I can pay to protest and we'll get RESULTS! Ask gun owners to protest and all they want to do is show-up on a weekend when no one is in Trenton, AND it can't interfere with their weekend PLANS! Ask gun owners to go protest and we'll need toilets on the buses, exotic diet waters, gluten-free snacks and door-to-door transportation. Half will bail on you if it's colder than 60 or warmer than 78 degrees. Martin Luther King HAD A DREAM! Here's mine: One out of 10 NJ gun owners joins the Coalition & stays a member! That's 100K gun owners at $50 per = $5 MILLION bucks a year in just dues. After administrative costs, wearables & postage you'd still have over a MILLION $ annual budget (I'm being conservative here) just for Public Relations, Billboards, Radio spots, etc., etc. What everybody on this forum has to ask themselves is when their dues are DUE so they don't lapse. Cause the sumbitches should ALL be members (like YOU are) already, RIGHT? ~R

Thank you John Rambo. "In town it's the law. Out here it's me. Let it go."

Good god, thank you for saying this! Our NJ gun laws are so bloody vague even NJ gun owners don't understand them... now we expect people in adjoining states to be experts, too? The sheer complexity of our laws.. the fact that we are "allowed" our guns based on staying within narrow exemptions... clearly shows that the laws weren't designed to protect the rights of ordinary citizens OR to prevent crime. Instead, they were designed to jam up ordinary gun owners for stupid, but honest mistakes - even those with zero criminal intent - and then throw them into a cell followed by a long, costly court battle... and we have seen that happening here, time and time again! Was Shaneen Allen a threat to anyone? Nope! Yeah, remember her? Thrown in a cell, lost her job, separated from her kids. That was an outrage. Was this a guy a threat? I'm guessing not! And yet he's facing a potential 28 years in prison. We've become a Gestapo state - let's not cheer that fact on (like spectators at the Roman Coliseum screaming for blood).

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This is great. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-no-beto-ar-15-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-9-weeks-delivery.html?avad=9441_f171152a5&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl

Unbelievable. Just unbelievable!!!!

So he should lose his "gun buying rights" according to you? Loss of "gun buying rights" (whatever that is?) translates to LOSS OF ALL 2A RIGHTS IN ALL 50 STATES, since NJ has HIS gunz and IF he doesn't pay 10's of thousands to fight this to clear himself, THEN GET THEM BACK FROM THE STATE (it's a state LAW btw, used as a weapon in such cases), he'll be a Prohibited person IN ALL 50 STATES for the rest of his life! For WHAT? NOBODY GOT A GUN POINTED AT THEM! Meanwhile, in Newark or Camden or Irvington or Trenton, a young gang-banger Hood Rat gets pinched for an armed robbery at gunpoint, and the Vic gets SHOT but survives. This Hood Rat didn't pull the trigger, he "just threw a couple punches" (beating the shit outta the poor Vic) and stole the cash drawer outta the register. He had a throw-away, and got rid of it before the Cops came-a-callin', and the ADA & Prosecutor decided to go for a quick, simple conviction of assault since it was a Hood Rat gang initiation and this "poor" kid at 15 didn't deserve to be a lifetime inmate. So the gun charge WENT AWAY, and our Hood Rat got a slap on the wrist, grew up, stayed a Hood Rat, and at age 18 offed (KILLED!) another kid that wouldn't join the gang! All seems legit to me. Maybe the Hood Rat should have had some Driver's Ed too? Years ago Nappen told a crowd of assembled gun owners that "you could lay an unloaded scattergun on yer front seat". He even stated you could wave it around OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE while driving (but suggested THAT's not such a great idea)! Yes, it's on You Tube (I think?)! It's so old he was 50 pounds lighter then @USRifle30Cal Years of INCREMENTALISM and Stockholm Syndrome have taken their toll. We have NJ gun owners that aren't dry behind the ears yet, so they have NO concept of bringing a scattergun to school to hunt with on the way home, buying a hand gun from a relative immediately AFTER said relative buys it as NEW from a FFL, or sending a kid into a store to buy a brick of ammo. ~R

And they say we don't need AR15s....Yeah Right!

@Smokin .50.... ^^^^^ Preach

Heh? Who? Generally, every brace out there has a letter or from original manufacturer that it is a "Brace" Pretty much every manufacturer I have worked with with ar "pistols" explicitly will not permit their reps to be pictured shoulder firing their braced pistols. Quite a few even suggested to not shoulder their pistols in videos. And most pistols out there, will have a brace from SB tactical or another mfr.

It's all in your head. =P But really, probably the weight. The comp would make little to no impact in terms of accuracy. Comps were always about keeping the gun flatter for faster follow ups. But if it makes you shoot better. That is awesome. We all have stuff just for looks... like my race holster, my ear plugs and shoes being the same red/orange definitely don't make me shoot better... but are cool. =P I think the best accuracy upgrade for me with handguns... was going to a CZ Sp01. =P

Oh stop it... Shaneen's case is very much different than this one... I am talking about every other gun case where guns are part of the charge. But yes, without a doubt... there would not be as much outrage if this was not an older white guy. I am not at all talking about why NJ gun laws are stupid or unjust... you have to be some kind of stupid to drive to work with guns on your front seat, to and from work. Not even criminals are that stupid. Yes, let's challenge gun laws but do we challenge them on the backs of blatantly ridiculous actors? And is this case going to change gun laws? Hell no. The BEST case is that the charges will be dropped or amended and the guy does not spend time in jail. In the mean time, until Supreme Court decides, the best the community can do is get more people comfortable with guns and go after local communities not abiding by gun laws, i.e. suing towns, etc. Until then... remind me again how any of these cases have helped improve NJ gun laws? What has Aikten done? Sheneen? Has NJ started issuing CCW permits to law abiding people? The majority of the money 2A groups are collecting should be spent on tangible ways of changing the landscape... getting new shooters and buying off politicians in a position to change. But seriously, once again we are making this guy seem like he was wronged and purposefully singled out. And seriously... LEO singled him out for having PA plates? Rather than driving like a moron and passing/changing lanes without a turn signal? Singled out would be driving in NJ and pulled over for having PA plates obeying all speed limits and laws. More people should be pulled over and ticketed for driving like morons. Driving like a moron while having guns visible on your front seat? Special kind. Does he deserve 28 years in jail? No.... community service, driver's ed and his loss of gun buying rights will be hard enough punishment for him. But no, no way this changes gun rights and laws in NJ.

Maks is remembering when we didn't care about Shaneen Allen because she's black...oh wait, he's misremembering.

Mother effers! Don't tease me with a thread title like this. I have the dancing banana all ready to deploy.

As a hypothetical, a principal who works in a business in NJ and who either owns or leases the business premises or where it is owned or leased in the name of a business entity and who is otherwise not disqualified from possessing a firearm can keep a shotgun at fixed business premises and can use the shotgun if the use of a deadly weapon is justified under the circumstances. The residence of the principal is irrelevant. The foregoing is not legal advice as no attorney-client relationship exists and is general information only.

I would believe it goes back who is on the lease or owns the property. Also is the leasee /property owner a nj resident?

I like to imagine that every time the NJ 2A community got wind of a case like this one, or Shaneen Allen’s ,or the utility worker from down South (can’t remember the name at the moment), or Brian Aitken where there was an violation of “administrative” firearms law, with no accompanying “actual” crime or criminal intent, that there were protests outside the jail if they were held, protests at the prosecutor’s office if they continued to press charges, protests outside the courthouse if they went to trial... It’s a nice thought.

The mere fact that @Mrs. Peel is agreeing with sniper diminishes any credibility of her argument. yep, I said it

Legal. Place of business you own is one of the few places where you can keep a gun.

That and it's a low pressure round. Even with higher pressure rounds and a proper comp, you STILL need to load with a powder that burns appropriately to drive the comp. Some 9mm +P rounds are probably sufficient, but for the most part, comps without the right ammo will only be a marginal improvement.

@USRifle30Cal It never ceases to amaze me the quality of 2nd Amendment interpretation here on this forum. Some want this guy to never see daylight again. Complete ASSHATS! You people wanna know why NJ is goin' down the shitter as far as gun laws are concerned? It's because with only a partial story & SOME facts you're willing to fill-in the rest all on your own and throw a fellow gun owner under Da Bus! Why? Because he might have a CCW & you don't? Because he was "careless" in leaving a gun case out to see? What exactly was his crime & who got hurt? I spoke to a Cop friend yesterday. A lll%er. NO way he would have jammed this guy up. He would have told him to go straight back to PA! Forums are a double-edged sword. Everybody thinks they're an expert and half the time they themselves don't know the exemptions! We're in the process of reaching out to this fellow's lawyer to see IF they want publicity or not. It's Monday, so let the Monday morning quarterbacking continue. I'm OUT! ~R

SEPTEMBER 1, 2019by Mark Cheeseman, Organizer At this time on behalf of myself and all involved. We would like to thank everyone who has donated shared or spoke about our campaign. Our Financial level is sufficient at this time. So we are suspending donations until we know more substantially what direction the US Supreme court is going to do this coming Oct. Docket #19-27 is slated for conference on Oct 1 2019. We are in discussion about the creation of a foundation for N.J. Second amendment issues. If the foundation is something viable we will return under a different name. For now we will keep you updated on any news regarding the case before supreme court.

That’s similar to what Lara Croft has on her USPs in Tomb Raider from 2001.

It saddens me to say that you are not only FIRED from your prior, glorious role as my Sr. Esteemed Enforcer (the end of an era?)... but, in addition, the mighty ban hammer is now poised with your big, yet fatally flawed noggin right in its path. Ruh-roh!

Frig him. Another Aiken.

Photos regarding a Paddle holster on a UBL: Both holsters are for a Glock 34 with a light and the holster bodies themselves are the same length. Here you can see how much lower The attachment points on a UBL holster (on the left) is when compared to a holster for a paddle or belt slide attachment (on the right). Here is a mid ride UBL next to a paddle attached to a belt. When you add the holsters to the attachment point they were designed to go with: You can see how the holsters sit pretty close to the same ride height. If you switch it up and put the holsters on the belt attachment points they were not meant for: You can see you run into some placement issues - • A UBL holster in a paddle sits way too high to be usable or comfortable. • A paddle holster in a UBL sits way too low to be usable or comfortable. It also adds a lot of torque to the system during the draw stroke causing binding and dragging issues. Hope this helps.

Some may be. Just not the ones in this case. Storing guns right next to him, riding around with hollowpoints for no legal purpose, riding around with guns while not going to the range. Of all the cases of people from out of state getting arrested, THIS is where people want to make their stand?

So three masked men attempted to rob three other people, one of which had an assault rifle, at 4am on a Monday morning? I'm going to err on the side of caution and wait for more facts before rallying behind the homeowner.