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If some people just dont get it. They just dont get it. There’s really no point in wasting your good energy on this. Waste it on more important things.

This is very true. It's happening in Maine, PA, Texas, Vermont everywhere the locus spread. All I hear is "nope never happen here". BULL! it is happening in bits and pieces everywhere. Don't you think the universal back ground checks will effect you if they become national law? It's the end of private sales as we know (knew) them. It adds an extra 50-80 bucks to each sale. As these whiners move into their McMansions where a 200 acre farm once stood , they bring these very issues and they bring votes. They get their people in the state houses and get their way. They get their way because of apathy. Because "nope never happen here". Among other things on the anti's hit list is a national magazine capacity law. " nope never happen here" will happen if it becomes national law. Trump will veto it? Maybe. As long as he is president. Even if re-elected the next guy four years after that may not. These SCOTUS decisions must become the law of the land are needed for all of us regardless of our state.

I think the biggest problem with all of this debate is the data being used is flawed.. or at least biased to how certain groups want to perceive it. the BS of mass shootings defined as 3 or more fatalities... or this data set over here is defined as 4 or more not including the shooter... blah blah. BS If the study doesn't include non fatalities, only considers public spaces... and doesn't include drug or gang related violence, which none of them seem to do.... then the data is tainted when being used to talk about shootings and gun violence in America. Take away private property shootings, where most gang related and drug shootings occur, take away gang drive-by and turf wars and only counting the ones with higher fatalities, or fatalities at all, paints a completely different picture. Include it all and your "Since 1982, 54% of mass shootings, (in which 3 or more fatalities were reported), were committed by white men" data point would go up in smoke, big time. It would probably be closer to 95% of all shooters are black if you considered all of the data points. Even the Stanford definition, which I think does a better job than mother jones, includes shootings even if they are non necessarily fatal, yet they still exclude anything gang, drug or organized crime related shootings. "The definition of mass shooting used for the Stanford database is 3 or more shooting victims (not necessarily fatalities), not including the shooter. The shooting must not be identifiably gang, drug, or organized crime related." Why do they do this ... because most folks are desensitized to black drug/gang related violence, especially when the info or data comes from places like Chicago. It doesn't help their narrative so therefore is not included. Throw in non-fatal, drug/gang related firearm shootings/statistics... and the % for scary black "assault rifles" being used in shootings, wouldn't even be enough to register on the pie charts. But that wouldn't help the so called "assault weapon" case now would it. Every time I see a newscast or read an article that starts talking about mass shooting statistics from one source or another it makes me want to vomit, because I know whats to follow is going to be a load of horse shit.

The solution is pretty basic. sorry, couldn’t help myself

18 years to get redressed. That's what's infuriating with "let them pass the law, the courts will strike it down" attitude. Perhaps they will, perhaps they won't. Regardless, how long will it take an how many people got convicted under that law waiting for the courts to strike it down?

Last word!

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Using AVB's logic, all mass shootings have been committed by somebody in possession of a firearm. This perfectly justifies banning all firearms. Mrs Peel, I am impressed with your tenacity debating this for so long.

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What reloaderguy didn't seem to get is that ALL the states matter. The antis are coming for your Rights and your guns one step and one State at a time. I have residence in Florida and lots of friends there who are determined to fight the libs there who are horrified that we can concealed carry there. My son had some NY visitor screaming that he had a gun (gasp) when his shirt lifted up for a second and showed his Kimber... And she was horrified to learn that you can have a gun in Florida... Finally got straightened out that he was legal but she went away muttering that they had to do SOMETHING about those scary guns and people in Florida. In FL the Parkland kids are pushing to chip away at your Rights and support confiscation... Do you think they're (their behind the scenes Bllombergs that is) only interested in NY/NJ? If you do your naivety is scary.

Yeah good luck with that... It's looking like refugees from NY and NJ and other blue States emigrants are pushing to make Florida into the NY of the South. I hope your positivity isn't infectious or Florida will be the first state to ban fully semi automatic firearms lol.

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Don't think I'd term myself a fan, but I still have mine, even though it hasn't been ridden in probably two decades LOL. It's a Marin Eldridge Grade done in white with neon pink, green and yellow spatters. Adios, Pizza Bob

@WP22: Ok, I know you are referring to me and my posts in another thread that I started over 19 months ago. I admit that at times, I have vacillated in some of my view points regarding guns and gun control. I am constantly learning and will admit when I believe that I was mistaken or wrong. Unlike your assertion, I do believe that this is not a black and white issue but has many shades of gray to be considered, many which are conflicting and contradictory. I try to consider all sides of an argument as I eventually evolve my thinking and opinion. For those here who are curious about this and are interested, here are links to two of my posts from that thread that explain in detail how I was convinced that my initial thinking was flawed and eventually came around to understand and agree with the sensible and logical arguments that were presented regarding banning assault weapons. (FYI - Click on the arrow each of the upper right corners to go to the appropriate post). AVB-AMG

@AVB-AMG Please note I did not mention you in my post about Greenday! I don't believe you are a paid troll. I believe you are a misguided victim of our higher educational system! Too many liberal professors that brainwashed you into believing that Socialism is a viable form of government! I am sad for you that can't see beyond that false panacea and instead, I wish you would have the wisdom to look at history and learn from it!

Yes, it is illegal for you essentially to carry a knife around in England. I wonder if rocks, clubs, screwdrivers, and such are also banned. The most reasonable thing should be just to ban violence. Decree that there is no more violence.

What's your problem? Maybe it is real, maybe fake? Raz-o was giving his opinion on why he thought it was real. Why do you always have to attack people the way you do? If you don't agree with their opinion, state something in a sane and respectful way. Raz-o didn't bash you personally, just gave his opinion. You seem to do this a lot.

Dude. Ive seen it happen. Likely under the trim is the damage, which isn't visible in potato-vision because the trim is flapping hooked on at one end rather than snapping. You can still see the deadbolt protruding if you watch the video full screen. It's not super clear but it's there. You just like trying to be an insulting dick. I get it. Not sure what commenting about shit apartment construction has to do with green day, but you go be you and hang your idiocy out there foll bore.

Somebody posted the following pic on another forum. Self-explanatory

I'm going to date myself here... but anyone remember City Gardens in Trenton? That place was both weird and fabulous --- a great spot for new wave and punk bands in particular. My first time there, I was struck by 2 things: 1) it was the only club I'd been to that had an armed guard (ummm... I'm guessing because of da bad 'hood?); 2) they had a lively mosh pit. I saw a guy take a header right into a wall. Ouch! He must have been awfully drunk, because he simply shook he head, spit out his front teeth on the floor, looked up, gave me a big wink and a bloody, toothless grin... and continued stomping away! Certainly one of the more interesting crowds I've ever seen... more entertaining than the bands sometimes. I also frequented the Stanhope House a number of times over the years... they attracted not only great local blues bands (Billy Hector(?) as I recall was really good), but some big nationally known acts too. Surprising really, since it was such a tiny hole in the wall. I'm not sure if they're still in operation...? Probably, the place was something of an institution.

I forgot I had this. It's in the guest room closet, I haven't put it back up yet after the move. 4/14/97 My buddy and I go to Birch Hill to see our favorite band Rollins Band. My buddy finds a backstage pass sticker slapped on one of the monitors and we bluff our way past security after the show. We hang out with Henry and the band for about 30 minutes. All awesome guys. Henry rips 2 concert posters off the wall and signs them for us along with all the band memebers, gives us two of his protein drink things, shakes our hands, and gets on the bus. Apologies for the crappy photo.

It could be argued, but it would be incorrect. Here's just another example of your WaPo/NYT narrative being "corrected". An alleged robber with an “assault rifle” was killed Tuesday by a good guy with a gun in an Apple store in Dallas, Texas. The suspect was described as being armed with an “assault rifle” and wearing body armor. He was shot and fatally wounded after unsuccessfully attempting to disarm the store’s security guard. The suspect, described as an adult Black male, attempted to disarm the security officer but was unsuccessful. The security officer was able to pull his weapon and fired multiple times striking the suspect. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/09/alleged-robber-with-assault-rifle-killed-by-good-guy-with-a-gun/ Oops....