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Mossberg 500 or 590 some like remington 870s but personally I like the tang safety of the mossberg better.

@Smokin .50 - No! Sorry, you can't copy & paste that. Goodness, that's not a proper article! It's full of "remembered" data and too much personal commentary. But, I agree the "seeds" of an article are there. I'm not sure what good it will do, but you want an article and think it can be of use... dammit, I'll give you an article! (LOL) You've certainly asked enough times, and I've felt bad that I didn't comply. (To be fair though, life threw a LOT of difficult personal situations at me the last couple of years...). I'll set aside some time this week to re-crunch the numbers. Then I'll edit it up, put a title on it, add a nice visual or 2 with captions, and I'll send it to you by the end of next week. Hang tight....

If you look at the broken nature of the FID/permit process... and the really ancient technology they're using for that... I wouldn't be surprised if this data is, in fact, very difficult to pull and aggregate. That's why it clearly says in the VERY TINY, VERY PALE print: The information in this report is based upon data from NJTrace, submitted by arresting agencies. It is preliminary and subject to further analysis. So, that's ONE of the problems. In a sense, they're just throwing spaghetti against the wall and then trying to weave a political "narrative" around it. Many months back when they first came up with the gun trace data - I did a little very "quick & dirty" comparative analysis based on population statistics (as per the most recent census). For instance, if memory serves me correctly, at the time, Newark comprised only a few percent of the state's population, yet its residents were, shall we say, "outperforming themselves" by generating more than 9 percent of the state's gun traces in the particular quarterly report I looked at (so 3x more than you would have expected). If you then looked at actual crime stats - not just gun traces but shootings as per the regular crime data also shared on the NJSP website - you saw a very similar disproportionate scenario (so the gun trace and gun crime data does seem to correlate closely). Further, and I'm going on memory here, but a handful of our worst cities - Newark, Paterson, Trenton, etc. - were I think about 15 percent of the state's population at the time, but were generating more than 50 percent of the gun crime!!! A quick glance at the July report on the webpage now shows something similar - Newark and their brethren bad boy cities are once again - outperforming themselves! (BTW, if you broke it down by neighborhoods, as John Lott does, you'd probably see that one or more bad 'hoods in Newark and other cities are waaaaaaay outperforming their population numbers). The only reason I point this out... is because the Guvna not only promoted this report to show that "other states" were providing the guns (there's a lot of logical fallacies there, too), but he also promoted a theory in all of his speeches that these reports revealed an equally shared "state-wide gun violence epidemic". Yet, when you start crunching numbers against population, you quickly see the OPPOSITE is true... that gun crime in NJ (as it is in other places) is, in fact, a highly localized problem that requires local solutions/programs. The whole report is CRAP IMO. It is the worst travesty of "statistical crime analysis" that I could ever imagine. For instance, they list the "make" of the gun used and Smith & Wesson tops the list. Well, duh... it's also one of the most popular/prolific manufacturers in the country and has been for a loooong time. (It would be like saying, "OMG, Hondas are involved in a LOT of car accidents!!" So what? They are also one of the most common cars on American roads. Therefore, it means NOTHING-NADA-ZILCH). It's just an attempt - and a weak one at that - to smear the gun manufacturers. All of these reports are garbage - meant to promote narratives that are either irrelevant or outright lies. Ugh, I've personally wanted to do a video on this for awhile, but got caught up with caretaking, then grieving, then handling estate matters, etc. You know, LIFE! But yeah, even the bare bones data they do provide can be easily ripped to shreds! The problem is... now that the state administration has thoroughly infiltrated Rutgers (their criminology program was once a fine source of crime data), you'll never again get any meaningful crime statistics coming out of the state university. No one will be counting: How many were ex-felons when they committed the gun crime? How many were ex-felons still on parole? How many weren't ex-felons, but had a rap sheet of misdemeanors? How many had their guns illegally? etc., etc. The Bureau of Justice Statistic does some of that at the Fed level, but you'll never again get it at the state-level in NJ. It's just too biased at Rutgers now - they are owned by the administration. It's going to be a very one-sided tale everyone will be handed from this point forward.

You call that a stockpile?

Yup, as I recall... I came up with highly similar results. It was eye-opening for me personally. To take it a step further though, I personally believe the influence of crime in those troubled cities is even far greater than the statistics reveal... because the (usually gang-related) violence spreads like ripples in a pond to surrounding communities and drives THEIR crime stats up as well. Did you ever look at the published police blotters of Montclair or Glen Ridge, for instance? Most of the people caught committing crimes in those towns hail from Newark and some of the other nearby high-crime cities you mentioned. I mean, was it a surprise to anyone with a brain that the crew that murdered that young guy at the Short Hills Mall several years back hailed from Newark? I've always thought someone should do a study on the origin of where perpetrators come from as well as where they commit the crime. For a lot of obvious reasons - many of them socioeconomic - residents of Montclair and Glen Ridge aren't going into Newark and committing crimes there, and yet the reverse is "the norm". I think it would be a revealing exercise.... In fact, funny enough... over the years, I would scan the police blotter covering Easton, PA (a city not far from me) - and it was astounding how many people arrested for violent crimes and drug crimes in Easton were residents of Newark... Paterson...Irvington, etc. Much of that is due to organized gang activity would be my guess. So, my hunch is that if you followed those "concentric circles" within NJ, whereby crime spreads out from the high-crime areas to nearby low-crime areas, you'd probably find that the the residents of those 5 cities you mentioned, Rob, are probably in reality generating far more than 62 percent of NJ's murders by firearm. After all, we know from decades of modern criminology study that it's really very few people who commit the worst crimes... but they tend to commit them repeatedly and, naturally, they bring the havoc with them anywhere they visit.

Today had three good ones.

Did you add a column for number of years the city has been under democratic control? Because that would be interesting...

This is completely true on a national level as well. Take out the data from the top urban areas (and get even more local and specifically from those neighborhoods) and you quickly see those cities represent the vast majority of the data. New York, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.

*NEW JERSEY* NICS is slow, because the 2 NJSP officers (or whatever small number are assigned to it) are overloaded at times. *National* NICS is still near instant - if random33 goes out of state to get a NICS check, it will likely go through quickly.

Let's get these going again! Shotgun ammo is still obtainable! ____________________________________________________________ Where: Clinton WMA Clay Range in Clinton, NJ Address: 26 New Jersey 173 Hampton, NJ 08827 When: Sunday, September 20th 2020 (Weather Permitting) Time: 9am at the Clay range ____________________________________________________________ Please try and bring everything you can in terms of a gun, ammo, and clays. A rough check list of what to bring: - Gun(s) - Ammo (birdshot #7.5, 8) - Clays (Walmart's in Clinton, Flemington, and Phillipsburg generally stock them) - Thrower if you have one - Eyes and Ear Protection - Shell pouch - Beverages/snacks - Weather-appropriate clothing and Sunblock - Chair If you can't bring some things, we will have plenty of stuff there. If you've never shot a shotgun before, I and others will try working with you to be able to dust a clay by the end of the day! _______________________________________________ Gun rules to remember: Always treat a gun as if it was loaded Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot Never point the muzzle at anything you're not willing to destroy Always be aware of your target/line of fire For this range, keep all guns unloaded until you're on the firing line Be smart, be safe, and we will have a fun-filled day! _____________________________________________________ Please feel free to post up with any questions or suggestions. Attending: 1. Krdshrk (Thrower, Clays, Hunting license) + 2 2. AleC 3. Mr. Stu 4. Bklynracer +1 5. ChrisJM981 6. gleninjersey 7. Damjan 8. iggyort 9. Yuriy +2 10. SimonSaysTrain 11. Maks 12. 13. 14. 15.

Hi everyone! I just wanted to introduce myself and say thanks to the people who started this awesome forum. My Name is Tello from Newark. Warm Regards!

Now, that would be a great social media campaign. You need to spread that far and wide!

Pass the word on that due to Covid-19, Republicans will be able to vote on November 3rd and Democrats on the 4th.

I never thought I would see the day that 9mm cost the same as 10mm. I have been ordering 10mm just to stock up.

16" barrel just pinned muzzle device 14.5" barrel pinned and welded muzzle device.

An hour on the Dillon and I’ve replenished 400 rounds. Repeat as needed. I’m in pretty good shape for components and what little factory ammo I shoot, especially since the plan is to move out west in three years, and moving companies won’t generally take ammo or components.

#4 - Trade my stockpile of T.P. for some when we get locked down again.

PSA has some in stock, $80 to $90.

Lockharts is EXCELLENT! They’ll ruin you for any other BBQ.

A.R. Hawkins today on the nationwide ammo shortage.

Yes, vote early and vote often.

@Mrs. Peel I built a spreadsheet a few years ago that looked at the shootings in the NJ cities vs % population. It’s stunning. The 5 towns (Newark, Paterson, Trenton, Jersey City, Camden) comprise 9.5% of the population but are responsible for 67.12% of shooting incidents, 62% of shooting murders and 69.58% shooting victims. This is probably 4 or 5 years old but I’d guess it hasn’t improved.

Yes, NJ is continuing to issue non-RealID licenses as well; it’s necessary so that they can continue to register voters without ID. Takes about a minute to renew online, you can even enter a new address that doesn’t match what was on your old license and they’ll change it on your license. . No wonder the Feds refuse to recognize it; it’s of no more value as an ID than an expired Blockbuster video card.

I need permission from @Mrs. Peel to copy & paste it, then I need to search for a file photo to use with it. So how about it Peel? What say YOU? Rosey

Any normal light that ruins your night sight a little will likely cancel out the glow of the ultra green after 2+ hours, but it is easily noticed 8+ hours after it was charged if your eyes are fully adjusted to the dark. It will be much dimmer than my 2022 pictured at that point, but this ultra green is impressive stuff. It isnt consumer grade glow in the dark crap that fades to nothing in a minute, like most of that stuff does. The night sight kit must be new, (well last like 12 years), didnt have it when i ordered my stuff. So something I have found that works really well to charge this stuff up are the 405nm blue laser pointers, which are near UV. Works as well or better than an 850 lumen LED flashlight, though i no longer have a UV flashlight to compare both to.

Flight control 00 buck would probably best fit your given scenario.

... I think she just did.

The NJ State is the cause of your delays. The Federal system is not behind. Not sure about PICS.

All firearms pistols and long rifles must go through an ffl and have a nics check on the purchaser before you can aquire it. You can not take possession of it and take it to nj until nics is done.

They’re volume sellers. Make the receivers as fast as possible, use statistical QC on only a few, on to the next batch. So there are duds here and there but at 800k lowers per year (saw that on YT somewhere, may be more now) that’s bound to happen. I understand they’ll make it right if you were unlucky enough to get the dud Anderson makes blank uppers/lowers for some of the other “premium” makers too. So for all we know, that fancy $300 lower on the shelf might have been milled right after the $35* Poverty Pony *Thats pre-apocalypse prices.

Just got the email. My application was approved. I am in Robbinsville (Mercer Co).

3.1 mag earthquake near East Freehold, NJ. From USGS.gov web site. Lasted about 7 or 8 seconds. Pretty damn loud actually. wild stuff. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=36.55378,-77.12402&extent=44.11125,-71.74072 depth of 3 miles.

A pump action 12 GA is not "punishing". It depends on what the shooter is willing to endure. I know a 4-10, 85 lb woman who will shoot 100 rds of OO buck, have a bruised shoulder, and will say "it is what it is", and fluff it all off. Use low recoil 00 Buck for two reasons. First, it gives you less recoil. Second, I have found low recoil to pattern tighter. Full power 00 will tend to doughnut past 15 yds. You can hold dead on and at 25 yds with full power miss your target. Using low recoil, you'll hit your target with 3-5 pellets or more. If you use low recoil at close ranges, even 8 pellet, your target will swear it was hit with 9 pellets of full power. I have a Chinese 320. Only fired a few hundred rounds but it has worked 100%. Not as smooth as an 870 but it works fine. Shotguns tear up paper targets quick. I only use them for patterning. For practice I start out with 4-5 rds of low recoil 00. I use gallon jugs from water, milk, detergent. I continue my practice with skeet or low powerloads. Finish up with 4-5 rds of 00. Compare your accuracy. Repeat if needed. If you shoot 20-30 rds a week the 320 should do. If you shoot 200-300 a week get an 870.

@Mrs. Peel you should write some articles for @Smokin .50. Jus sayin'

This is good advice. I've found that a pistol grip makes it hard to manipulate the safety and slide release on a pump shotgun, and they are illegal on semi autos in NJ, so I would suggest a tradtional shoulder stock.

Benelli Nova or Supernova - fewer options for upgrades, but the important parts I cared about are (were?) out there. Most people who have handled my Supernova have been impressed with how smooth the action is. I love mine, one of my favorite guns. A Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 are always good choices, too. I owned a Stevens 320 but it had an issue where it would sometimes like to spit a 2nd shell out as you were racking it, which caused jams or a live shell to drop out of the gun. I don't think it likes being racked fast. Mine mighta been one of 10000 that was bad, but I wasn't particularly happy about it nonetheless and I haven't looked at another Stevens. As for stock options, I would avoid a pistol grip only (like a handgun) for a first shotgun. I'd go either traditional rifle stock style or pistol grip with a stock, whichever works better for you. I personally prefer the pistol grip with a stock for a tactical shotgun.

Lots know more then me, but my bet will be most will say Pump all day for HD Mossberg 500 Remington 870

Sorry for quality, I did this real quick with a cell camera

The only purpose of the reporting law was to point a finger at which state the guns came from. They were never interested in anything else. So that's most likely why the data is so absurdly useless.

Right hand shooter left eye dominant.

Actually, get more than one, as you never know...

Paintball guns were ruled by a NJ judge to be "not firearms" in 1988: http://topgunpaintball.com/history/

At my age - damn - 74 - hell I will prolly be dead by by then from COVID-29

This was several years ago, but I’ve seen a few of them out of spec. The pins wouldn’t line up on one, and have seen one the safety hole was undersized. Anderson made it right, but it was a hassle for the owners. Personally, I use Zev/Mega Machine and Tool forged lowers. I know guys who like Aero Precision. I don’t have personal experience with PSA, but haven’t heard anything bad about their lowers.

Does not have to be pinned, as it is already 16+ But the threads need to be made permanently inaccessible. One way or another.

I think @RUTGERS95 was correct above but I'm not certain. So if your barrel is 16 or greater I still have to pin but NOT weld.

unless they've recently changed the law that I'm unaware, 16" and greater only requires a pin 14.5" must be pinned and welded with whatever brake to reach the minimum of 16"