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By NJ2AS News News March 23, 2021 Yesterday, the New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS), the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC), and Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO), filed a federal lawsuit challenging New Jersey’s discriminatory, confusing, and delay-ridden gun permitting scheme. The case, Kendrick v. Grewal, can be viewed by clicking here. The lawsuit challenges New Jersey’s draconian and discriminatory permitting scheme that has abused residents’ rights for decades. We all know the horrible tragedy of Carol Bowne, the South Jersey woman, who was scared for her life against her violent ex-boyfriend that abused her. She told the police every day he was going to kill her and applied for a gun permit. The police took their time and ultimately Carol’s violent ex-boyfriend upheld his promise and stabbed her to death at her home 43 days after she applied and waited in fear every day. Carol knew the greatest equalizer was a gun, and ultimately she died because she had to beg the government for a permission slip to protect herself. If she lived 20 minutes across the border in Pennsylvania, she could have gone to a gun store, had a modern and thorough FBI background check done in minutes, and purchase a firearm to protect herself. New Jersey’s laws killed Carol and protected her violent attacker, and we are confident the Courts will agree and strike down the provisions that require citizens to obtain an ID card or permit to acquire a firearm. “For decades, New Jersey residents have suffered in the hands of the New Jersey government, and have had their Second Amendment rights trampled on. NJ2AS, along with the nation’s leading Second Amendment organizations mentioned before, plan to change that!” said NJ2AS President Alex “Alejandro” Roubian. Also joining the lawsuit is Bob’s Little Sport Shop and three private citizens. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey and the named defendants in the complaint are New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal, State Police Supt. Patrick J. Callahan, Bridgeton Police Chief Michael Giamari, Harrison Township Police Chief Ronald A. Cundey and Glassboro Police Chief John Polillo, in their official capacities.

I disagree! I see one critical difference here... on this lawsuit, the main 2A orgs in the state are finally working together, without any notable exceptions! This is a great development. It's one that I figured might be coming, when some months ago Alex Roubian was featured on Anthony Colandro's radio show, but nonetheless, I'm glad to see it's come to fruition. I'm hoping this partnership holds together and becomes a permanent 2A strategy within the state. So, sure, I'm happy to see the lawsuit itself.. but I'm even happier at the collaborative union the announcement reveals. It's smart... very smart!

This should be a P S A .

That's a lot of writin' . . . I worked through the first 150 pages or so without taking notes. I appears that they make a good argument but actually fall short with a pretty big miss. In analyzing British Common Law they seem to complete miss the fact that the founders, while accepting Common Law in many places, specifically wished to escape the rule of the King, or any other king. The King's edicts about who could do what, when and where, was a large part of British rule that was rebelled against. I'm thinking about printing this and pulling it apart but I'm about as busy as I can get right now.

Come on out to one of the clay shoots we have at Clinton WMA. I haven't called any lately as I've had a couple health issues but now that things are warming up again, we'll start putting dates out there soon. You can bust clays with pretty much any shotgun, but it will be a lot easier to do with the proper equipment. A home defense shotgun with an 18.5" barrel or say a Mossberg Shockwave can bust clays... but it's a lot more difficult and only at a closer distance. A shotgun with a 28" barrel will be able to hit out to 40-50 yards... even further if you have the proper chokes. What are you looking for in a shotgun? For clays, we normally use #7, 7.5, 8, and 9 shot... The lower the number, the larger the shot. #7 shot will generally have a little more breaking power at longer distances compared to #9 shot... but it's fairly negligible when you're shooting clays. The Aguila mini shells or whatever can be fired out of most shotguns, however, they will not properly cycle in semi autos, and pumps will only run them if there's a short shell adapter. Out of a break action (O/U or SxS) they will work fine. There are also different types of shotgun slugs. You can shoot Foster and Brenneke slugs (Rifled slugs) through a smoothbore barrel (as long as you don't have a tight choke installed). For Sabot slugs, you would need a rifled barrel for your shotgun. I mean, technically you could shoot a sabot slug through a smoothbore barrel, but there would be not stability to it and it'd just be a waste of money. Unfortunately with supply/demand being what it is right now, there's not many options out there right now, and not at the $700 price point. I see mostly cheaper models, defense models, and "AR type" shotguns out there right now. Note that Pump and Break action shotguns will have heavier recoil than a semi auto - the semi auto action will take out some of the recoil. There's also 2 types of semi autos - gas operated and inertia operated. They have a different "feel" when shooting as well. Best thing to do is to try out as many shotguns as possible

I'm sure the SCOTUS, with the 3 new Conservative judges, will be along quickly to overturn this ruling. ......"The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has issued a ruling stating Americans do not have an inherent right to carry firearms, whether it be concealed or open carry. “The US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit just ruled that THERE IS NO RIGHT TO CARRY – either openly or concealed in public. This ruling impacts RTC laws in AK, HI, CA, AZ, OR, WA, & MT. This was not an NRA case but we are exploring all options to rectify this,” the tweet noted. The court ruling, handed down on Wednesday, could have wide ramifications for lawful gun owners around the country. “After careful review of the history of early English and American regulation of carrying arms openly in the public square, the en banc court concluded that Hawai‘i’s restrictions on the open carrying of firearms reflect longstanding prohibitions, and therefore, the conduct they regulate is outside the historical scope of the Second Amendment,” the court decided. “The en banc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense.” https://beckernews.com/breaking-9th-circuit-rules-americans-have-no-right-to-carry-guns-either-open-or-concealed-38059/

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I just did a little searching and there are some guns out there at somewhat decent prices. I saw a CZ 1012 (inertia) 12ga for $680 and a Mossberg 930 for $650 - but that's still over budget if you figure in Tax + Shipping + Transfer + NICS.

I am a novice at clay shooting, and not a very good one at that, lol. But I will try to answer at least part of your post. If by “short shells” you are referring to, for example, Aquila Mini-Shells(1.5 inches in length I think), I doubt they will cycle properly in a semi-auto. They will cycle in a pump action especially with the use of the Opsol rubber adapter. I shot 20 mini-shell slugs thru my Mossberg 590 yesterday.

Bump.... Last price drop here. $1,100.00

Hoard and hide

Be prepared gentlemen, it looks like something is coming in the pipeline.

either way i think its a bad deal for Discord users.. if Microsoft buys, you can kiss you guns and ammo discussion/sales goodbye.. Same if they go public.. the investors, directors, etc will all be woke just like every other popular tech or media outlet. Discord has been a little bit off the beaten path of the typical mainstream online user.. that wont be the case in the future

Sanctuary city/state= DO NOT enforce laws that are issued by a higher jurisdiction, cooperate with their effort to enforce them or share any information of violations. I guess thats only OK if it benefits illegally being in the country. Americans aren't allowed that courtesy or even the right for their jurisdiction to proclaim sanctuary toward anything except in benefit to liberalism as far as New Jersey attorney general or governor beaver is concerned. Case in point, If an illegal alien (disqualified person) is arrested in a (illegal alien) sanctuary city on a gun violation, that city will make an extensive effort and is even bound by that jurisdictions law to keep it a secret from the Feds. If an American disqualified person is arrested in a (illegal alien) sanctuary city on a gun violation, that city will make an extensive effort to have any authority interested join in convicting that person

The Giffords Law Center seems unaware that computers are, like, really fast. 100 seconds is an eternity in a world where 3 GHz processors, 50 ms network latency, and 10ms disk access times are common. As a quick example, I just ran a Google search on "Andrew Cuomo". It returned "About 58,500,000 results (0.63 seconds)" So less than a second for his background check to come back as "Scumbag".

Or have a fire or break in. Things we as Americans shouldn't have to worry about but the government is more then fast to make us the criminal.

don't beat your significant other and you should be 99% ok.

First they banned military style rifles, the AR-15 by name. No NATO or military chambers, no Flash hider, No bayo lug, no collapsible stock. We worked around it by building rifles with only one "evil feature", the pistol grip. I remember when the Colt Match was chambered in .223 only. The one evil feature rifle was born. Then they started squeezing magazine capacity Then they messed with pistol grips Now that they have sufficiently disempowered 2A, and have control of all three branches, the only roadblock are the Trump circuit court judges and SCOTUS. They are working on that, I'm sure of it. It may take a while, but they will put something together and force it through. It will be called gun safety or some BS name. It will get done before the midterm elections. Once they enact AWB 2.0, (through executive fiat) they will acknowledge that the AR-15 is no different than any other semi-auto, an argument we have been using for decades. They will turn it around on us and finally admit they are not banning cosmetic features, but mechanical function. Grandpa's 742 and dad's Marlin Camp 9 will be on the chopping block too. In order to not create too large a ruckus, they won't ban semi-auto pistols. Pistols are not their main concern anyway because in their eyes it's what the scum under them use to murder each other. The elite have little to be concerned about when it comes to handguns. They do take every opportunity to exploit mass shootings where an AR-15 was used. but again, to them, it's just peons killing other peons. Just an isolated shocking incident to use as a foothold towards their ultimate goal of protecting themselves. What they are most afraid of is a rifle that can be used in an offensive manner. Pistols can be easily defeated with body armor and bullet proof glass. Rifles can penetrate all but the most robust armor. Hypothetically, if our government was to ever become so corrupt as to spark a revolution or a civil war, there can only be resistance if the people own high power rifles. Once they take away semi-auto rifles, we will be no better off than Venezuela after Chavez took over. Only the right kind of people will be allowed to own or possess rifles. As it so happens, the dems are handily on their way to drawing the lines between their vision of the right kind of people and the undesirables. 2A is just another objective in the cancel culture. Woke socialist vs white supremacist capitalist patriotic pig, even if you are not white, then you are (their words, not mine) an uncle tom house nizzy. It's coming people, I don't know when or how, but it is coming. The super sad thing about all of it, is it will have little or nothing to do with social justice or equality. We are being manipulated by the elite class who look upon us as nothing more than well paid slaves.

I will be honest, both major political parties suck, not on this issue but many other issues also. Whine and moan as much as you want, the national democratic platform actively wants to turn me and everyone on this forum into criminals. The Republicans on the national level haven't been actively pushing pro-2a policies and reforming the laws. The first two years of Trumps term, they could of done national recopcity with conceal carry or reforming the NFA, but they did jack, and now look were we are right now.

There could be mass non compliance for registration, but guess what, they just neutered those gun owners. Those guns will never see the light of day again, will never go to the range, and if by chance you use one for self defense, you go to jail, no chance of a defense. If you have a fire, and the fire department and police come to help, and find your "stash", guess what happens. Have a break-in, and police come to take a report, and see your gun safe? Guess what happens next? The time to stop this crap is BEFORE the law is passed. After it's signed into law, you're SOL.

Was wondering, I've read on here some of you guys use this app, is this the same one? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-23/microsoft-said-to-be-in-talks-to-buy-discord-for-more-than-10b

Joe Biden Calls To Ban Assault Weapons After Boulder Grocery Shooting (yahoo.com)