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Glock 19.

And again... 1911!

I haven't met the wilson, but the stacatto is just the STI by a different name. At $3k they better have upped the fit and finish and fire control group. But the main gripe with the platform for NJ is the 10 round mags. The only good ones I have met are the MBX mags at $124 a pop. I have STI 10 rounders for my .40, and I stopped competing with it because they are too sketchy and at Near $700 for a set of MBXs I just finally caved and went 9mm in a p320 x-5 legion. The wilson 10 rounders are ~$45 and based off the walther ppq magazines. So likely a lot less headaches there.

This made me snort and laugh out loud!! Well done!

2nd pot of coffee made, will be back to normal shortly sounds good thanks

Wonder if Ciattarelli would have done the same if he would have won, mean didn't lose, mean didn't have enough votes.

Now that Virginia has a new governor they wrote to the supreme court stating that NY's current permit law is unconstitutional. At first they were supporting the state of NY in there fight. He goes in to detail about the case.

You might have a good point.. I can’t really see you carrying completely legal with 14 people in a room and then when the 15th person enters you are a Felon… If violating these restrictions is a misdemeanor offense at most then most people I know would be comfortable with the Concealed means concealed mentality and just go about their business knowing in the unlikely event concealed mean NOT concealed they will be paying a fine and not going to jail..

These restrictions if passed will stop nothing. LOL, have you conceal carried in Florida, I have! The point here is that those that want the option to conceal carry for self defense in NY/NJ will be going from NOTHING to SOMETHING! This is nothing more than NY "wildly flailing in the dark" so to speak in an attempt to stop the inevitable. Sure, NJ/NY will attempt to restrict where we can carry, but this is a positive sign that "just cause" regimes like NY and NJ may be coming to an end. 3 hours of conceal carry is better than the nothing i have now! Kapeesh!

Wow.. If those restrictions go into effect it is hard to imagine being able actively CCW on a regular basis. in NYC you would need to walk or own a car.. (Can’t even car pool) to go anyplace. When you get there you can not be around more then 15 people for almost any practical reason. All eating and drinking establishment are forbidden so you can only be out in public with your CCW a few hours without needing to go home and eat…………. if they go that strict I would think the courts would eventually straighten them out.. As I mentioned D.C. and Illinois(Chicago) tried to play that game when they had “Shall Issue” forced on them by them by the courts and got their ass handed to them in very short order… I doubt NY will be able to get away with anything too much more restrictive then they were able to…

YEP! Propably! in a way this is good news! it means that there century long death grip on conceal carry is starting to fade and that you/I/we will be conceal carrying in the near future. NJ may follow suit shortly as well.. though they will not be able to stop the inevitable.

So I do think they would try to block as long as they could get away with.. I am just pointing out the D.C and Illinois had shall issue imposed on them and tried to screw around… Both times the Judges who passed the ruling took it personal and got them straighten out in very short order.. I think the Supreme count will feel the same way if disrespected. The LEO Carry law was passed by congress so there was no one to Kick NJ’s ass for not complying..

Every state currently has CCW available on the books. So If SCOTUS rules favorable in the NY case we should effectively get CCW “Shall Issue” in every state. Correct? As I believe the NY “May Issue” rule is the concern.. I have read a lot of people say regardless of the ruling NJ will screw us but I would like to point out D.C tried to screw around when they got Shall Issue CCW imposed on them and I believe it was the Federal 4th circuit Judge who passed the ruling was having no part of it. He got them in line in TWO WEEKS and at one point it was legal for a day to Open Carry in D.C. with out a CCW license. He declared what they voted into law unenforceable or something and it took a day for D.C. to revise the law. There where several pic’s of people open carrying with the Washington monument in the background. In the end there implementation is not bad, they did not have to offer reciprocity but provided shall issue CCW option to non residents. Any-case the Supreme Court may do the same if states don’t follow their intention and try to screw around… They often take it as a personal disrespect to their authority… Illinois(Chicago) had a similar situation and had to implement Shall Issue CCW and their initial attempt to implement was quickly corrected… They also don’t allow reciprocity but somehow got away with only offering people from 6 states with similar CCW rules the ability to apply for a non resident CCW. So my thought is within 6-12 month of ruling NJ and NY will offer Shall issue CCW similar to D.C or Illinois. Hoops to jump through but can be done. No reciprocity and limited Non-Resident CCW available. Once every state has shall issue CCW passing a federal National Reciprocity law is not as big a deal and will eventually get passed.

NJ did not do this voluntarily. They only did it in response to a separate law suit. NJ will happily squat all over your rights as long as they can, regardless of whether they know, or should know that it is unconstitutional.

After SCOTUS ruled on the constitutionality of stun guns, IIRC it was a case from Boston, the NJ AG offices issued guidance that the NJ statute would no longer be valid and so long as you were 18 and not a prohibited person, no license or permit required to posses. Similarly, if SCOTUS rules you don’t need a reason to exercise a right in the NY case, our laws can remain as is except no letter of need is required. I’m thinking they strike down the subjective nature of the scheme and make it objective. No judge or clerk deciding if you are worthy. Like what happened in Wash DC. That or self defense and all legal activities is a good enough reason in a the letter of need.

Thanks for the reminder Rosey! I just renewed my expired membership!

It truly saddens me to be so disrespected. As the Vice President of a non-profit NJ Second Amendment organization that teaches women & kids how to shoot, and run strictly by unpaid volunteers, I can assure you I'd rather go back to multiple discipline competition shooting on all three popular platforms PLUS black powder, than having bull excrement such as the above thrown at me by uninformed emotional out-of-touch malcontents. Raising funds to put towards LAWSUITS and Amicus Briefs is hard work, especially when we're busy carrying everybody else's water since most here on this board aren't members. I really don't appreciate being painted with a wide brush! David Rosenthal, VP Coalition of New Jersey Firearm Owners (CNJFO) P.S: If you want to know why most 2A folks don't bother with this board, THIS type of post is why!

so, if you have no belief NJ will ever get CCW then would it be safe to say you are on your way out? Am I the only one who has any hope that come June things will change?

i do not think it will happen in our lifetime. those politicians who say they support our right to carry do in fact not support such. they're using it to get their foot in the door with us for votes. those 2a organizations who say they support us(national, regional and local) do the same thing. they use our hope and our enthusaim for money gathering. those lawyers that claim to support us do the same. the difference here is that we all eventually NEED them. the combination of the three above.......if they truly believed in our rights under the 2a, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. THERE IS MORE MONEY IN TREATING THE DISEASE THAN THERE IS IN CURING THE DISEASE.

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