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Good morning, I'd like to share an experience my son and I had with Lou. My son was looking to purchase his first handgun, so I naturally looked to my go to gun shop. They had what he wanted, but ran out before he decided. While cruising the forum I came across Lou of the Elmer Gun Company, so I gave him a call. He's an FFL working out of his home in Elmer, NJ. He was able to find what my son was looking for at a very competitive price, and was very professional, informative and accommodating. Lou kept us informed throughout the process, and took all the time we needed answering questions and offering suggestions. Another great available option, he can be reached at 1-856-364-1031. Ben

If it holds zero and doesn't move, I wouldn't mess with it.

By Abby Goodnough May 19, 1996 When the State Legislature banned the sale and possession of assault weapons in 1990, thousands of gun owners protested with seething letters and boisterous rallies. The issue has resurfaced this spring in the form of a proposal to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons. The proposal comes from State Senator Gerald Cardinale, a conservative Bergen County Republican who is a member of the National Rifle Association. Under the current law, New Jersey residents may carry a handgun only if they can convince a Superior Court judge that their safety depends on it. But Mr. Cardinale's proposal would allow people to carry weapons if they pass a background check and take eight hours of training. At least 28 other states have passed similar laws, many in the last few years. Senator Cardinale, a dentist from Demarest, said his wife gave him the idea for the proposal. She had read several newspaper accounts of carjackings, he said, and wanted to carry a gun in her car. "I had to disabuse her of the notion that she could get a permit to do that," he said last week as legislative lawyers were reviewing the final draft of his proposal, which he is calling the Crime Reduction Act. Senator Cardinale is backing up the proposal with statistics from states like Florida, which has allowed residents to carry firearms since 1987. Although violent crime has increased in Florida since then, the number of crimes involving handguns has dropped by 29 percent, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Report for 1993. Five percent of Florida residents -- about 300,000 people -- have obtained permits to carry weapons, Mr. Cardinale said. "Most people aren't going to start carrying guns, but the fact that the prey might be armed gives the criminal pause," he said. "In New Jersey, we have given criminals the monopoly on guns." Some legislators and law enforcement officials say the Senator's theory does not hold up. Assemblyman Ken Zisa, a Bergen County Democrat who is also the Hackensack police chief, said changing the existing law would encourage criminals to be more violent. "They will address each potential victim as if they are armed," he said, "and they will react to that with more violent acts." Mary Warner, a trustee of the Coalition of New Jersey Sportsmen, which claims 600,000 members, said gun owners are rallying because they do not feel safe. The fact that violent crime dropped by 2 percentage points in 1994 has not quelled fears, she said, especially among women and parents. New Jersey has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the country, most of which have received bipartisan support in recent years. Anyone who wants to buy a firearm must first apply to the local police department for a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card, which involves a background check. Handgun owners must also obtain permits from local or state police, which involves a more rigorous check. To carry a handgun, New Jersey residents must go through a third background check and receive approval from a Superior Court judge, proving that their situation is so dangerous that they cannot leave home without a weapon. Of the 1,046 New Jersey residents who received permits to carry concealed firearms in 1995, a vast majority were security guards, said John Hagerty, a spokesman for the State Police. Security guards and others who carry guns on the job (except police officers) must also go through a separate permit process and take a training course, he said. Senator Cardinale said his proposal would be especially beneficial to women and merchants who frequently carry cash to the bank. In an ideal world, nobody would carry guns, he said, but the reality of violent crime makes New Jersey's current gun-control laws unfair. He added that many politicians and members of the news media have spread "erroneous notions" about guns that need to be corrected. "All the editorial writers are saying this is a crazy idea, but Cardinale is not crazy," he said. "I'm saying the key is putting guns in the hands of honest people versus in the hands of criminals."

Interesting to see what is happening in Russia to Russian people. No access to credit cards, banks can't move money, property/assets are getting seized/frozen. All fairly quickly and without due process. US is looking to control digital currencies. More reason to up your emergency cash you keep on hand. Also Russia passed laws allowing them to imprison or sanction reporters who report things the government does not approve or like, as well as blocking outside news. Imagine America doing something similar and using what you say or post as a pretense for freezing your assets. They already have the FBI labelling parents speaking up as Domestic Terrorists. Normally I'd say this could never happen, but after last 2 years, anything is possible.

Personally, I understand Rosie's tone. People have to understand that if when SCOTUS overturns may issue it's going to take time to write the laws to allow it. Better to start the conversation now than wait and have everybody bitch about what's taking so long.

NJ NICS IS NOW SHUT DOWN UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE! BREAKING: NJ NICS DOWN AND NO IDEA WHEN IT WILL RESUME! 2,164 ALREADY BG CHECKED BUYERS WAIT FOR THEIR FIREARMS! by Black Wire Media Thurs. Mar. 10, 2022 www.cnjfo.com/join-us New Jersey's firearms permitting "Instant Check System" is DOWN and the state has NO IDEA when their redundant processing will resume! Much like trying to put a house fire out with a garden hose, the Firearms Unit is currently 2,164 checks behind, and was working on March 5th transfers when the entire system shut down! For those that are unaware, firearm buyers in NJ are already background checked to obtain their firearms ID cards used for buying long guns (NJFPID) and they're already background checked BY THE SAME FIREARMS UNIT when their handgun permits are emailed to them! So this needless, redundant check is now PREVENTING legal gun buyers---that already passed a background check---to obtain their firearms at point of transfer! Since handgun permits are issued with an expiration date, as NJ residents can't be trusted with guns and might knock-over a bank or a liquor store between the time they apply for a permit and the time they actually obtain the transfer, some gun buyers will be told their handgun permits HAVE EXPIRED due to the DELAY caused by the state! Worse yet, every firearms transfer in NJ is treated as a first-time buyer making their first purchase! So collectors with a proven track record of NOT being arrested for firearms violations sit in the same line needlessly waiting and causing more "traffic jam" of the transfers to first-time buyers! A right delayed is a right DENIED and the state of New Jersey absolutely loves to delay and deny firearms rights, so here we go again! #CNJFO #2A #2AHeavyLifters #2ashallnotbeinfringed

Greetings to all of the Debbie Downers & Doubting Thomas's here on the Board! And greetings to the Lurkers and everyone else that reads and doesn't post for fear of finger pointing by armchair experts & commandos living in their mom's basement. Did I piss-off EVERYBODY yet? No? Then please keep reading, lol! This Bill is designed to start a conversation among Legislators, NOT give us Constitutional Carry. For that reason, it might make it to the Law & Public Safety Committee of the Senate. While there it can be altered & amended as needed to conform to Bruen if we get a positive outcome at SCOTUS. The Bill is far from perfect in its current form. Your Second Amendment Advocates KNOW this! Our rights will be won back incrementally, just as they were taken away. I'm on the Senator's Advisory Panel with Anthony Colandro, Theresa Inacker, and Mark Cheeseman. What's missing from this thread is the "Call To Action" that's needed to get the Bill co-sponsored. So instead of doing the usual bitchin' about face-value imperfections and plain-text readings, how about calling or sending a letter to your district Legislators asking them to co-sign the Bill, eh? Or is it too hard to quit bitchin' and actually DO SOMETHING TO HELP? https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/districts Rosey

Another positive response: Hello 124gr9mm, Thank you for writing concerning this very important issue. I support the second amendment and will always vote against any legislation that will restrict a citizen from exercising their Constitutional Rights. Sincerely, Assemblyman Rob Clifton

There is a paywall on the article. Does anyone have a free copy?

My take on this is that Ed is a great guy and that this proposed bill is a nice gesture. He is sending "the love" so to speak, he's in our corner etc., I actually smiled and chuckled while reading this bill and I have to admit my imagination then ran away with me and I wondered "what could have been if only we had many more Ed Durr's in Trenton". Fantasy aside, this bill will be strangled and burned on the committee floor. I wouldn't be surprised if the politicians in Trenton take turns wiping their asses on the committee floor with this bill. Nothing that would give the common NJ citizen the effective means of protection outside the home will see daylight outside of committee. This WILL NOT start a conversation among our legislators because they are vehemently against concealed/open carry and their decision towards issuance was made decades ago. Their malice and indifference towards us has spanned nearly 50 years in this State. Yeh, they'll converse with each other alright' WHEN THEIR PASSING PIECES OF THIS BILL BETWEEN STALLS!! Realistically, The only way out of this would be a favorable ruling from SCOTUS to FORCE NJ to conform to a "shall issue" regime. We need the "coup de grace" not another 50 or 100 years of incremental change in our direction!

Senator emailed. It's Mike Doherty, who I think is one of the few conservatives in the Senate. As a former Pennsylvanian, it's a weak bill, but it's better than what we (don't) have currently, as long as it does not go the direction of the Washington DC law.

The socialist democrats don't need to do anything, they gotta guy. MSM, in pocket Hollywood, in pocket TV Land, in pocket Google, In pocket Facebook, in pocket, Twitter, in pocket Education system, in pocket I could go on, but I wont. They control the message from almost cradle to grave. White ....excuse me.... straight white men have been all but obliterated from TV advertising. Somehow, magically, the USA is comprised mostly of multi racial and gay couples. It's like white NORMAL nuclear families don't exist but to be mocked in TV ads. Oh, and all the fuck'n sudden, Jake from State Farm is a teleporting black dude who just shows up in people's houses.

Well said. I have the RT6 optic on my AR and it competes very well with the more expensive options out there. The price here definitely is a good deal.

Well, that will improve aim! They had this in a jersey shore bar and there was minimal piss on the floor with a 98% accuracy!

For someone who's positioned as an advocate attempting to energize people and encourage support, you absolutely, 100% turn me off and make me want to do nothing. I get that you're using a sales/comm's strategy, but it comes across as canned and obnoxious. If you switched your tone just a LITTLE and tried to unify you'd have much more success. But I know, carry water, heavy-lifting, your shoulders, etc, etc...

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Snowball, meet Hell.

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I read that Ukraine and Russia produce a lot of wheat and corn respectively. While that is not something that we import directly from them, the current situation is likely to lead to a supply/demand imbalance that will cause price increases because the amount they contribute to the supply of those commodities will be reduce due to respective war/sanctions. Wheat and corn are grown seasonally so the prices are set on a futures market based on anticipated supply availability. Issues like drought, war, crop damaging pests and other nature disasters cause futures market prices on perishable commodities to fluctuate just like we see when crude oil prices fluctuate during war, pipeline damage via weather/accidents/sabotage, oil rig fires, tanker ships getting highjacked or running aground, etc. I don't think we will see a shortage of these items here, but the prices might go up. Other countries that did directly import from Ukraine or Russia will most likely notice the most impact.

I'm stocking up on vodka tonight.

If you consider a 1-2 day wait for an instant background check "back to work". I wish they would defund the NJSP Firearms Unit and AGs office.