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Therefore, we should shut down the rail lines so people don't throw themselves in front of NJ Transit trains. We should also stop selling rope at hardware / home improvement stores so that people don't hang themselves. We should stop selling vehicles that spew CO2 into the air so that people don't run their car in their closed garage to end it all. Let's stop selling pills as well. It's not the instrument, it's the intent. Please go back into hiding and stay there. I'd use stronger language, but having already been scolded for mocking you cost me with the mods.

What a dumb article. Of course the US has the highest gun suicide RATE. We have the most guns. We're not even in the top 10 for highest suicide rate. The article goes on to talk about the quick decision suicides, "10 minutes or less to decide." You can't even get to a gun range, rent a gun, and watch the safety video in that time frame. The article then merges together essentially every way to die by a gun. Suicide, accidents, cops, gangs, murder etc. We know people die from gun crimes. Then random suicide statistics. Written by a moron Democrat from NY. This is literal lib Antigun propaganda. Look at the countries in the top 10 in suicide rates, they all find a way. People have had the ability to rent a gun and commit suicide like this for years and there's been a handful of incidents. More people have probably died at 6 flags.

The rumor mill is either Thomas or Barrett Again just going on what I've been reading with his seniority he could take it. Also the betting people are saying neither Thomas or Barrett haven't written any recent decisions . The Las Vegas money is on either one of those two leaning towards Thomas with his seniority. Myself. I don't trust Barrett.

1. The majority ie if we go 6-3 or 5-4 on the case. 2. YES, Justice Thomas has wrote very pro-2A things in the past in his dissents when his fellow judges refused to hear gun cases. In his last dissent he wrote something to the following effect "As we walk the marbled halls of justice with our private armed guards, the average person that works late nights has no sort of protection etc..." you get the idea, I want him to write the majority opinion.

What is the percentage for rail deaths; suicide vs accidental vs homicide? What are the ratios for hanging? Your dismissal of other methods of suicide makes no sense.

It’sa bunch of bullshit posing to rally the base.

Around 12 months back I signed up on GB, they did not ask for anything like you have to go through. BTW https://www.shootersnj.com/products/rifles-iwi-us-xb16-859735005916-2950 In stock

from It was mentioned elsewhere that typically justices are assigned one opinion per term and Thomas and Barret were the only two (of the expected majority) that hadn’t authored an opinion. It was speculated that they wouldn’t assign Barret to such a controversial case. Thought this was interesting too

It can be no later than end of June. It will be the end of June because gun cases are always at the end of June. This is because they are contentious. It’s the scotus version of a Friday afternoon press release. They drop it on the last day at the last minute and go on vacation so they don’t have to listen to anyone until shit settles down.

With which, you can buy or bid on guns on the site. If you were welling on the site, would you want unverified buyers bidding on your products? Take a look at eBay where incomplete sales are the rule. Everything that I said stands.

You are twisting your own arm, nobody is forcing you. Patience is a virtue, and saves money too. If you want any high ticket item, like yesterday, then you are gonna have to work to find it, pay whatever the seller is asking and agree to the seller's terms. If you can't do that, then you will have to put together a plan B which may include considering a different, but equally good alternative. If the seller you found on GB is also a LGS/FFL, then just contact the LGS directly. Problem solved.

Ok. So they aren’t making that request because they need the info, but because you appear to be some Internet rando who is trying to associate their gunbroker account with an email account they don’t actually have access to as far as the support person is concerned. The picture holding a a photo id is just the lowest effort way of verifying identity. So the first question is did you check your spam/junk folder for the activation email? Because that’s your path to avoiding this stuff. Also who is your email provider? They may be giant assholes blocking gunbroker.

I've been a user on Gunbroker for several years and don't recall having to do that to set up my account.

In NJ, unless LEO you are supposed to Retreat, Retreat, Retreat!! If not you will most likely be charged.

Honestly - with a LWRC you're paying for the name. I've shot many an other firearm - Dark Storm is top notch. ModMat is just fine and supporting a local NJ shop. You're not going to be putting 30k rounds through it - there's no reason to have to pony up for a LWRC, unless you just wanna flash around that you got the brand name.

LWRC DI Other? I believe RTSP carries those.

^^^THIS^^^ Gunbroker is overpriced anyway.

I understand you're not buying from Gun Broker directly. But it may be their business model to verify identification for all customers as a service to the vendors that sell on their site. How and in what methods they choose to verify your identity is within their rights. It's within your rights to not buy from a site that asks you for unreasonable compliance. There are plenty of local FFLs that I'm sure would prefer to make the sale to you instead of just the transfer cost and NICS charge. IE, if you don't like their practices, don't use their site. There are also many sites that simply refuse to do business with NJ residents because they don't want to be bothered with dancing around our laws. And I'm not even talking about firearms. Some sites refuse to sell ammo or even unserialized parts and accessories. I personally don't see the appeal of having an "other", but I support your right to own one. Perhaps just find a local business that has one in stock that you can purchase directly and support the businesses that choose to supply us "behind the enemy lines" of gun control. Good luck, Rhi

First choice: Don't buy there. You are going to find more and more of this in online transactions. In this case, you are buying a gun which has restrictions placed on them (particularly the weapon you are buying, an "other") by the federal government and all 50 state governments. No online dealer wants to run afoul of the ATF, the DOJ or any of the states. Identity theft is a huge problem all around the world and all organizations are affected. My bank uses a voice print to identify me when I call them. It was voluntary but it is much easier then jumping through hoops every time I need to talk to someone. Second choice: Comply with their requirements.

Well that's my point. There unfornately is really no way to stop/weed out people who decide this. If the partners shooting with them didn't pick up on it, how could a random 17 year old working the desk at rtsp.

@FairbanksRusty I tend to agree with you. While I have and do enjoy target shooting at an indoor gun range, I am becoming more concerned and even nervous about the lack of seriousness demonstrated by many folks who are first-time gun shooters, regarding all of the gun safety protocols that we are taught in our various firearms training courses. The short perfunctory mandatory watching of a "safety video" at the gun range for these first-time shooters just covers the bare minimum of safety rules and proceedures. While shooting at these indoor gun ranges I have witnessed numerous safety violations, mostly unintentional, but still potentially dangerous to people in other gun ports at these ranges. Then, while I understand that it is a remote possibility, in the back of my mind, is the speculation as to questioning if one of these other people in an adjacent gun port may be one of the few who wants to commit suicide by gun? If so, what if they miss...? Where does that stray bullet go? Therefore, I find that shooting handguns, rifles and shotguns at outdoor ranges and courses appeals to me more than shooting at an indoor gun range. In that situation, I get plenty of fresh air and my ears have to deal with less sound reververation that one is subjected to inside an enclosed indoor gun range. For what it is worth, I applaud some of the regional gun ranges that have instituted dedicated time slots for "members only", or even dedicated ranges for members, as ways to separate them from the general public and these first-time shooters. But that entails an expense of membership that many gun owner's and enthusiasts may not be able to afford.

Gun control is an issue neither side wants settled. Both sides like to use it for leverage to play to their base.

Yeah…where was this 5 years ago when republicans had the majority?

Well, following the Left's twisted logic N.J. should increase access to guns so more people can safely kill themselves in the privacy of their own homes.

Yeah I don’t know what’s going on with them. I’m holding it for now.

So it's basically a slightly leaner 7.62 NATO round.

That woukd be cool If a mod thought it could be pinned for ez access

That was the red flag that got ignored. Here's an example of a common and frequent scam right here on njgf, just one example of many I've rec'd in PM over the years. I put asterisks in pace of the email address. The forum admins/mods should be able to track the scammers IP address to a general location. If the IP of the place you sent money is in Florida or Pakistan, you definitely have a problem. Never EVER send money to anyone that does not have at least ten meaningful posts.

So, you feel good with your gun safe? Ha!... that is NOT enough... you need one of THESE for a fully comprehensive security plan:

Exactly, and the reason is because the liberals place more value on the offender's rights than that of the victim.

In NJ, if you use deadly force for protecting you or your family in self defense, you WILL be treated like a criminal, arrested, and likely prosecuted. There will be a report in the media about it in a negative tone, and even if you prove your innocence and avoid conviction, there will be no follow-up retracting what they said about you in the first place.

Apparently, you missed my point. My post was my expression of sadness in the specific incident at RTSP, along with my concern about how it appears to becoming a more frequent trend. I also stated my opinion about suicide by firearm, based on the facts and reality. The issue is not as simplistic as you make it out to be when you say, “It’s not the instrument, it is the intent”. Your comparisons are irrelevant to the point of fact that the majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides. If you are interested in the facts on this reality, then here they are: Below is a sobering quote from a report published by the bi-partisan Joint Economic Committee in the U.S. Congress, titled: “Guns and Suicide”. The report is very thorough and its sources are well documented with footnotes. This is a web link to a pdf file of the full report: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/e4c6a3e3-a170-4cee-8218-0167fe4311e9/jec2019-gunsandsuicide-final.pdf “The U.S. has the highest gun suicide rate of any country on earth. In terms of raw numbers, it works out to roughly just over 24,000 deaths per year. Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides every year. Since 2009, the number of gun suicides has been one and a half times higher than the number of gun homicides each year. Having access to a firearm during a moment of increased suicide risk, such as a job loss, increases the risk of completing suicide. Research shows that the impulse of suicide is transitory and that access to guns is a risk factor for whether a suicide attempt is fatal. The interval between the decision to act and an attempt can be as short as 10 minutes or less, and research shows a substitute to a different method is unlikely when a highly lethal method is available. Among adults who have recently purchased a gun, there is a higher firearm suicide rate, especially within the first year of a gun purchase. The high correlation between access to guns and suicide rates is closely tied to the lethality of firearms—suicide attempts involving a firearm are far more likely to result in death than other methods.” Also, according to the CDC, in 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,979 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.) Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. The Pew Research Center has determined that suicides accounted for more than half of the gun deaths in the U.S. in 2020, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years. Specifically, 54% (24,292) were suicides and 43% (19,384) were murders. The number of gun suicides has risen in recent years, climbing 10% over five years and 25% over 10 years, and is now near its highest point on record. The 24,292-gun suicides that took place in 2020 were the most in any year except 2018, when there were 24,432. Additional facts about suicide in the US. (Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER) In 2020, the suicide rates were higher among adults ages 25 to 34 years (18.35 per 100,000) and 75 to 84 years (18.43 per 100,000), with the rate highest among adults ages 85 years or older (20.86 per 100,000). Younger groups have had consistently lower suicide rates than middle-aged and older adults. In 2020, adolescents and young adults aged 15 to 24 had a suicide rate of 14.24 per 100,000. Suicide is the 12th leading cause of death in the U.S. In 2020, there were an estimated 1.20 million suicide attempts in the U.S. The suicide rate in 2020 was 7.4 per 100,000 individuals. The rate of suicide is highest in middle-aged white men. In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women. On average, there are 130 suicides per day. White males accounted for 69.68% of suicide deaths in 2020.