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Just picked up a new M&P 10mm this week. Sot it yesterday and have to say that my Glock 20 will probably be on it's way out of my collection. This is the first non revolver S&W handgun for me. I have to say that it feels and shoots great. I was shooting full power loads and the recoil was not even noticeable. The chamber is a lot more supported than the Glock barrel. This matters to me because I reload 10mm.

1. The majority ie if we go 6-3 or 5-4 on the case. 2. YES, Justice Thomas has wrote very pro-2A things in the past in his dissents when his fellow judges refused to hear gun cases. In his last dissent he wrote something to the following effect "As we walk the marbled halls of justice with our private armed guards, the average person that works late nights has no sort of protection etc..." you get the idea, I want him to write the majority opinion.

Anyone else slightly concerned that AVB’s first post since Biden was sworn in occurred in a thread about suicide?

Friends don't let friends buy Promags

Agree, some of the products are super salty, probably 90% of a lethal dose. Don't eat two servings. Kidding aside, I stocked up on Mt House and have sampled most of the products. MH is not for casual dining, it is survival and camping food, both activities where one needs to replenish salt and other essential nutrients. I think of it as chewable Gatorade.

OK... gentle reminder: let's try to keep the debate spirited yet respectful. I know the issue raised is a particularly difficult one to grapple with, and it strikes at some core values (for folks on all sides of the issue, I'm sure), but that's not a reason to let this thread turn into a free-for-all either! Kindly keep the anger/sarcasm in check.

That boldfaced statement is true. It's also true that Japan (one of the many countries with a higher suicide rate than ours), has the highest train suicide rate of any country on earth. And... the point I'm making...?... Regrettably, whether by a "bullet" in the U.S. or a "bullet train" in Japan, both sets of suicide victims are equally dead. I'm not saying that to be flippant...or harsh... quite the opposite! Suicide is a HORRIBLE and quite senseless act! It leaves surviving families and friends torn apart at the seams, utterly devastated, and often it leaves them guilt-ridden, too (usually undeservedly so). When done publicly, as you correctly point out, it also devastates the onlookers who are unfortunate enough to be present. As for the RTSP victim, my heart breaks for him but ALSO for his loved ones, because his act has no doubt broken them into a million little pieces! So yeah, on this point, I must agree with @CMJeepster- "It's not the instrument, it's the intent" - because that statement is, in fact, entirely logical! The suicidal intent IS the core problem. Unfortunately, there's not a country on earth IMO that does a good or even an adequate job of dealing with serious mental illness. Around the world, it's uniformly stigmatized, and there's typically sub-par access to effective treatments (although the stigma alone is often enough to keep people from even seeking treatment). Those are the "root causes" and that's where any focus needs to go. And, if we want to LEARN from recent history, I think we also need to take a harsh look at the rise in mental health issues that happened during COVID. Hmmm, whaddaya know?... as it turns out, destroying peoples businesses, wrecking their dreams and their financial futures, keeping the elderly locked up in isolation away from their families, keeping people from enjoying the solice of their places of worship, etc. - ALL of that feeds depression... and suicidality! So, in many parts of the U.S., we only made problems FAR WORSE. My final point would be that the CDC has a clear, decades-long track record of blatant anti-gun bias... I would argue that on the issue of guns, the CDC is nothing more than a government-sponsored public relations arm of the gun control movement. They are so overtly politicized around this issue, they simply have ZERO credibility! Naturally, I react to any of their cringe-worthy "reports" on guns with the hefty dose of cynicism it deserves. Any gun owner would be wise to do the same IMO.

Murphy is a politician not a judge. He's not going to have a choice. The law will be the law. Judges and lawyers respect Supreme Court rulings even if they don't agree with them. I really don't think NJ will ignore a Supreme court ruling. If they were to do that it would undermine our court system in this country. If politicians and judges can ignore the Supreme court than we have a dictatorship.

I stay out of democratic shitholes for the same reason.

hard to believe this thread has turned into an argument in the first place... i'm done with this thread and it probably just should be locked or deleted... you're likely correct on most of the points... if i'll even remain as the forum's member i'll think hard before deciding to post any question or a thread... hopefully i'll at least get the tavor i want via rtsp out of this, i'll then deem this worth the weird hassle... cheers...

Look, I have no skin in the game. I just want to perhaps raise an outside perspective. They complain you're whining, you complain they're bullying and said they shouldn't be gun owners and deserve the restrictive gun laws we currently have. We could go in circles all day pointing fingers. I tried to help you out the best I could while staying on topic. You do tend to be rather verbose and display your love of the English language. In an online forum, these message boards are usually measured in sentences instead of paragraphs. That might be where they are misreading your verbiage as long winded whining. In the sake of mediation, perhaps we declare nobody won or lost this argument and just decide to let this thread go. With all of the best intentions, Rhi

Thank you. When we (finally) meet, the first round is on me.

And i am *sure* you will buy it all !!!! LOLOLOL

Try to be more terse man. Once again, this is a novel, and that's coming form a guy who posts novels. Except yours have pages of text with minimal info. Like this.. I don't care about your opinions about yourself. I assume you think you are awesome and right and we can skip that as understood. It could have been summed up with "I already replied on page in case you missed it". There you go.. all the useful bits of your post in a sentence fragment. If you want to convey being salty "I already posted it on page one, are you fucking blind". Both substantially shorter than what you wrote. It's web forum, not a frikin thesis or management consultation document where you are being graded/paid by the pound. On to constructive stuff. So Optimum is using a modified version of zimbra. It 100% will route stuff to your junk folder without you dragging it there. When you drag it there, it treats it as if you clicked the "this is junk" option and uses it to train filters. So question 1 is if you are viewing mail via their webmail interface, you should be seeing stuff in junk unless they have gotten REALLY aggressive at spam rejection. I left optimum's email services for a reason. They weren't good. If you are using a desktop/mobile client, the Junk folder may be local and not the one optimum is using. If you have not looked at it via the web interface, try that. But your mail client may use it's own junk folder where only stuff yo mark as junk or is determined to be junk by the local client is put. This is not terribly uncommon. If running a samsung mobile device, especially and older one, it comes with it's own spam filters, and moves "spam" to deleted items, not junk/spam. It can be pretty aggressive and wrong about this. Newer devices seem to be less bad, so they may have finally fixed the default behavior. If all that is no help, my next advice would be to stop talking to GB for the moment, go spin up an outlook.com or Gmail account, and just try registering with that. You may be SOL depending on how much data they keep of the incomplete form as I just tried to run through the process to create a bogus test account, and they put in controls to avoid duping accounts. GB isn't trying to go above and beyond the law or infringe your rights, they are just trying to prevent mail fraud being committed with your identity. It is possible your experience is shit because someone already tried to pretend to be you. The fact your info is easily found online doesn't mean you must be you, it means pretending to be you is just that much easier.

Thread's derailing folks - let's keep it civil. OP's entitled to their opinion. We got bigger things to fight for than squabbling about this.

thaaank ya sir!

I'm sure she meant the magazine needs to pinned to only accept 10 rounds, as that is the current limit. It probably ships with a standard (but over capacity by NJ law) magazine And requiring any further hoops to jump through to exercise your rights ARE infringements.

I hope they switch as fast as posssible. Then the gun grabbers will have to come up with something other than pretending ar-15s are weapons of war with the most powerful cartridges in the world.

Fun fact, I work at RTSP. Becca will be in tomorrow. Sometimes, it helps to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she didn't follow up with you because it slipped her mind, or some pressing personal matters, or she didn't receive your email. I can't speak for her. But instead of lowering yourself to dealing with businesses that further infringe upon your rights, just give her a call tomorrow.

Most reputable FFLs will do the compliance work prior to you taking possession. It may be an additional fee, which is what you should inquire about.

On the contrary, in my response I stated that while they are free to choose how they do business, as the consumer you are free to choose not to do business with them and instead support business that do support our rights in this state. Freedom is sometimes a knife that cuts both ways. Just because you don't like how an entity does business doesn't mean you aren't free to do business with companies that will.

from It was mentioned elsewhere that typically justices are assigned one opinion per term and Thomas and Barret were the only two (of the expected majority) that hadn’t authored an opinion. It was speculated that they wouldn’t assign Barret to such a controversial case. Thought this was interesting too

It can be no later than end of June. It will be the end of June because gun cases are always at the end of June. This is because they are contentious. It’s the scotus version of a Friday afternoon press release. They drop it on the last day at the last minute and go on vacation so they don’t have to listen to anyone until shit settles down.

You do not have to retreat if you are in your own home. If you are on a deck or a porch without a door then it gets questionable.

The less scrupulous Gun-content producers on youtube will milk every possible decision opening to generate views until the decision is released. "SCOTUS might S-M-A-S-H may issue THIS FRIDAY!!!! [SCREAMING_BIDEN_FACE.JPG]" Most law analysts who don't have a financial interest in generating clicks think it will be end of June.

I understand you're not buying from Gun Broker directly. But it may be their business model to verify identification for all customers as a service to the vendors that sell on their site. How and in what methods they choose to verify your identity is within their rights. It's within your rights to not buy from a site that asks you for unreasonable compliance. There are plenty of local FFLs that I'm sure would prefer to make the sale to you instead of just the transfer cost and NICS charge. IE, if you don't like their practices, don't use their site. There are also many sites that simply refuse to do business with NJ residents because they don't want to be bothered with dancing around our laws. And I'm not even talking about firearms. Some sites refuse to sell ammo or even unserialized parts and accessories. I personally don't see the appeal of having an "other", but I support your right to own one. Perhaps just find a local business that has one in stock that you can purchase directly and support the businesses that choose to supply us "behind the enemy lines" of gun control. Good luck, Rhi

So, where are all the billions upon billions of US 556 ammo going??? CMP!!! YEAH!!!

What a dumb article. Of course the US has the highest gun suicide RATE. We have the most guns. We're not even in the top 10 for highest suicide rate. The article goes on to talk about the quick decision suicides, "10 minutes or less to decide." You can't even get to a gun range, rent a gun, and watch the safety video in that time frame. The article then merges together essentially every way to die by a gun. Suicide, accidents, cops, gangs, murder etc. We know people die from gun crimes. Then random suicide statistics. Written by a moron Democrat from NY. This is literal lib Antigun propaganda. Look at the countries in the top 10 in suicide rates, they all find a way. People have had the ability to rent a gun and commit suicide like this for years and there's been a handful of incidents. More people have probably died at 6 flags.

Apparently, you missed my point. My post was my expression of sadness in the specific incident at RTSP, along with my concern about how it appears to becoming a more frequent trend. I also stated my opinion about suicide by firearm, based on the facts and reality. The issue is not as simplistic as you make it out to be when you say, “It’s not the instrument, it is the intent”. Your comparisons are irrelevant to the point of fact that the majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides. If you are interested in the facts on this reality, then here they are: Below is a sobering quote from a report published by the bi-partisan Joint Economic Committee in the U.S. Congress, titled: “Guns and Suicide”. The report is very thorough and its sources are well documented with footnotes. This is a web link to a pdf file of the full report: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/e4c6a3e3-a170-4cee-8218-0167fe4311e9/jec2019-gunsandsuicide-final.pdf “The U.S. has the highest gun suicide rate of any country on earth. In terms of raw numbers, it works out to roughly just over 24,000 deaths per year. Since the CDC began publishing data in 1981, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides every year. Since 2009, the number of gun suicides has been one and a half times higher than the number of gun homicides each year. Having access to a firearm during a moment of increased suicide risk, such as a job loss, increases the risk of completing suicide. Research shows that the impulse of suicide is transitory and that access to guns is a risk factor for whether a suicide attempt is fatal. The interval between the decision to act and an attempt can be as short as 10 minutes or less, and research shows a substitute to a different method is unlikely when a highly lethal method is available. Among adults who have recently purchased a gun, there is a higher firearm suicide rate, especially within the first year of a gun purchase. The high correlation between access to guns and suicide rates is closely tied to the lethality of firearms—suicide attempts involving a firearm are far more likely to result in death than other methods.” Also, according to the CDC, in 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,979 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.) Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. The Pew Research Center has determined that suicides accounted for more than half of the gun deaths in the U.S. in 2020, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years. Specifically, 54% (24,292) were suicides and 43% (19,384) were murders. The number of gun suicides has risen in recent years, climbing 10% over five years and 25% over 10 years, and is now near its highest point on record. The 24,292-gun suicides that took place in 2020 were the most in any year except 2018, when there were 24,432. Additional facts about suicide in the US. (Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2020) via CDC WONDER) In 2020, the suicide rates were higher among adults ages 25 to 34 years (18.35 per 100,000) and 75 to 84 years (18.43 per 100,000), with the rate highest among adults ages 85 years or older (20.86 per 100,000). Younger groups have had consistently lower suicide rates than middle-aged and older adults. In 2020, adolescents and young adults aged 15 to 24 had a suicide rate of 14.24 per 100,000. Suicide is the 12th leading cause of death in the U.S. In 2020, there were an estimated 1.20 million suicide attempts in the U.S. The suicide rate in 2020 was 7.4 per 100,000 individuals. The rate of suicide is highest in middle-aged white men. In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women. On average, there are 130 suicides per day. White males accounted for 69.68% of suicide deaths in 2020.

Terrible advice. Those are the best types of posts.

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