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I stay out of democratic shitholes for the same reason.

That boldfaced statement is true. It's also true that Japan (one of the many countries with a higher suicide rate than ours), has the highest train suicide rate of any country on earth. And... the point I'm making...?... Regrettably, whether by a "bullet" in the U.S. or a "bullet train" in Japan, both sets of suicide victims are equally dead. I'm not saying that to be flippant...or harsh... quite the opposite! Suicide is a HORRIBLE and quite senseless act! It leaves surviving families and friends torn apart at the seams, utterly devastated, and often it leaves them guilt-ridden, too (usually undeservedly so). When done publicly, as you correctly point out, it also devastates the onlookers who are unfortunate enough to be present. As for the RTSP victim, my heart breaks for him but ALSO for his loved ones, because his act has no doubt broken them into a million little pieces! So yeah, on this point, I must agree with @CMJeepster- "It's not the instrument, it's the intent" - because that statement is, in fact, entirely logical! The suicidal intent IS the core problem. Unfortunately, there's not a country on earth IMO that does a good or even an adequate job of dealing with serious mental illness. Around the world, it's uniformly stigmatized, and there's typically sub-par access to effective treatments (although the stigma alone is often enough to keep people from even seeking treatment). Those are the "root causes" and that's where any focus needs to go. And, if we want to LEARN from recent history, I think we also need to take a harsh look at the rise in mental health issues that happened during COVID. Hmmm, whaddaya know?... as it turns out, destroying peoples businesses, wrecking their dreams and their financial futures, keeping the elderly locked up in isolation away from their families, keeping people from enjoying the solice of their places of worship, etc. - ALL of that feeds depression... and suicidality! So, in many parts of the U.S., we only made problems FAR WORSE. My final point would be that the CDC has a clear, decades-long track record of blatant anti-gun bias... I would argue that on the issue of guns, the CDC is nothing more than a government-sponsored public relations arm of the gun control movement. They are so overtly politicized around this issue, they simply have ZERO credibility! Naturally, I react to any of their cringe-worthy "reports" on guns with the hefty dose of cynicism it deserves. Any gun owner would be wise to do the same IMO.

Saw an article that 5.56 is no more...army going to 6.8mm. Prolly.old news....

Or two...

Old man yells at cloud. I guess that you be avoiding the following establishments as well then? Saturday night shootout at McDonald’s in Orange County after woman fires gun at deputies (yahoo.com) Man fatally stabbed at Times Square Dave & Buster's in New York, police say (yahoo.com) NC woman stabs Jimmy John's 16-year-old worker over sandwich order mix-up: police (yahoo.com) And on and on and on.

Yep, start saving your money, because if the police station doesn't let you "withdraw" your application (It may be possible, but I've never heard of it), you will need to get a lawyer to appeal, and there is a tight deadline to file your appeal after you are officially denied. Likely either as part of your current application, or as part of an appeal, the police or a judge will make securing an "ok to own firearms" letter from a psychiatrist/doctor a requirement; there's only a couple of doctors in NJ who will do that, and their evaluation to secure the letter isn't cheap.

"The CDC said" You lost me when ya cited the corrupt and full of rat crap CDC.

First thing you should do is contact a gun lawyer. There is no way they will let you take it back!

PA should definitely be Yuengling. Probably NJ as well. Whoever made this map obviously invested ZERO time in research. Just sayin'.

Concur.

OK... gentle reminder: let's try to keep the debate spirited yet respectful. I know the issue raised is a particularly difficult one to grapple with, and it strikes at some core values (for folks on all sides of the issue, I'm sure), but that's not a reason to let this thread turn into a free-for-all either! Kindly keep the anger/sarcasm in check.

I hope they switch as fast as posssible. Then the gun grabbers will have to come up with something other than pretending ar-15s are weapons of war with the most powerful cartridges in the world.

Anyone else slightly concerned that AVB’s first post since Biden was sworn in occurred in a thread about suicide?

Thats why the dems don't give a hoot in hell about the rising suicide rate.

What is the percentage for rail deaths; suicide vs accidental vs homicide? What are the ratios for hanging? Your dismissal of other methods of suicide makes no sense.

Well that's my point. There unfornately is really no way to stop/weed out people who decide this. If the partners shooting with them didn't pick up on it, how could a random 17 year old working the desk at rtsp.

What a dumb article. Of course the US has the highest gun suicide RATE. We have the most guns. We're not even in the top 10 for highest suicide rate. The article goes on to talk about the quick decision suicides, "10 minutes or less to decide." You can't even get to a gun range, rent a gun, and watch the safety video in that time frame. The article then merges together essentially every way to die by a gun. Suicide, accidents, cops, gangs, murder etc. We know people die from gun crimes. Then random suicide statistics. Written by a moron Democrat from NY. This is literal lib Antigun propaganda. Look at the countries in the top 10 in suicide rates, they all find a way. People have had the ability to rent a gun and commit suicide like this for years and there's been a handful of incidents. More people have probably died at 6 flags.

Therefore, we should shut down the rail lines so people don't throw themselves in front of NJ Transit trains. We should also stop selling rope at hardware / home improvement stores so that people don't hang themselves. We should stop selling vehicles that spew CO2 into the air so that people don't run their car in their closed garage to end it all. Let's stop selling pills as well. It's not the instrument, it's the intent. Please go back into hiding and stay there. I'd use stronger language, but having already been scolded for mocking you cost me with the mods.

Surely you jest! Any modifications were permanent, were they not? I look forward to retrieving my regular mags from the temporary custody of the person that is legally allowed to have been possessing them.