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I posted this elsewhere, but I think it got lost. I would advise patience here. This is brand new. NY’s justifiable need clause was cast out as unconstitutional. Great. That doesn’t necessarily mean that NJ’s was as well. While the meat of the laws in both states are similar, the details are different. it may require a similar SCOTUS case with NJ, or it may not. As of now, nothing in NJ has changed and I imagine the AG and DCJ are determining the next steps for our state. Don’t rush. We have all been patient for years. A few more weeks to let the dust settle and see what’s on the horizon won’t hurt. Remember, a denial is forever. It would be a huge waste of time and money to get denied now, and have to deal with that at every step going forward, when you are so close. Like the man said, “Patience is a virtue.”

Stop your orgasms. Just remember. It aint over till the fat lady sings. Also remember. We should all be constitutional carry. Its a win. But a far cry from the constitution as written if we still have to jump through hoops and fill out alot of paperwork to have our God given right for the pursuit of happiness

Taping with Dan tomorrow. We will have better intel Sunday.

It's on BOYs!!! NJ AG officially advised to process the applications without justifiable need!!

Listening to the Governor now. Sounds like he/NJ will accept the Supreme Court ruling and no longer required justifiable need. However he is calling for legislation to define an expansive list of "sensitive places". These to include bars and restaurants where alcohol is served as well as "BY DEFAULT" private property (malls, homes, etc.) without the permission of the owner. DA's office to issue a directive today to NJ law enforcement with revised guidance consistent with the SCOTUS decision.

Immediately after the presser Me, Bach and Schmutter will pow wow and then tape GunForHireRadio #579!

Have a peek. LOL.

That’s where you are wrong. Nothing is up in the air. Effectively, nothing has changed in NJ - yet. It will, but that takes some time. If you apply today you will be denied, just as if you applied yesterday. You may eventually win in a lawsuit, but that will take time and money. No one, not Police Chiefs, not County Prosecutors, not Judges have been given any guidance with which to change current standing directives. In the absence of a new set of rules to guide the process of applying for a CCW in NJ, the old process still stands - and - under the old process, you will be denied. This is too new. No one knows anything. Take a breath and wait.

Hornady Critical Defense or similar.

I am pretty sure someone (like Anthony) has this all figured out already. Patience all. I will take bets that if it becomes a true reality and these permits are being issued then GUNFORHIRE will offer everything you need to get it done. I cant wait and have full faith in Anthony to tell us when to come down and get it done.

I wonder how this effects out of state license holders. I would bet NJ will not offer reciprocity with anybody.

You know we will now reactivate the three cases! 2 carry and 1 15 round mag! Biden, Murphy, Hochul, and Adams are deeply unhappy and concerned today. Too bad, all I ever wanted for me and my family is the same level of protection that we pay for them to have 24/7!

I'd like a place for people to go without having to sift through 430+ post about the SCOTUS issue that was decided. This is not a discussion on the SCOTUS opinion. Do not interject those opinions here, do them in the national discussion. This is ONLY for NJ residents to have a place to discuss resources and the application process for receiving your CCW. If you are applying, or plan to, it would be helpful for the folks here in NJ to know the process. I was most interested in understanding which firearms training people have done or know of which satisfies the current statute. This could be helpful for many people planning to apply, and could be done while awaiting a formal decision to start the application process. It would be great if a place like GunforHire had something for us up here in NNJ. Mods: this could be better placed in the CCW subforum, but it said no "law" discussion. It wasn't clear...

Honestly I’m more excited about mag and AW bans being thrown out than I am CCW. Let me have normal mags, stocks and unpinned barrels!

I called my local PD, and they said they are not requiring justifiable need any longer per the SCOTUS decision.

I forgot to mention to everyone here. When i got off the phone with my local PD this morning. They stated that likely the CCW process will be integrated into the FARS system. THIS IS GOOD FOR US! It may be similar to getting another P2P.

Based on what I just heard, yes. The head of the NJSP stated they had communication with all of NJ law enforcement regarding the implications of the ruling. I took that to mean local police chiefs as well were part of that. He also went on to state they plan to ramp up their online system(FARS I assume) to handle concealed applications(No doubt will take some time). He anticipates receiving upwards of 200,000 concealed carry applications! Highly recommend you listen to the actual news conference and not just rely on my rushed post.

Still a douche bag!

FRom the press conference. In court: Oh we aren't suppressing demand, nobody actually wants one. now: We expect demand to be about 200,000 applications.

There is a Murphy and AG presser today. All the 2A lawyers are plotting and planning. Thomas wrote a BRILLIANT decision and we are on track. Just cool down for a week or so. Way too many unknowns yet. Ant

Whenever I qualify, I run the course with 2 different sidearms, so that I have paperwork on 2 (It's actually one paper, but 2 sidearms are listed). Thirty years ago, I would use one revolver (usually a Smith 625) and one semi. Nowadays I usually use 2 semi's. Back in the day I had a NY state non-resident permit. The serial numbers/make of all possible sidearms was typed on the permit. The current NJ permit doesn't have this, but who knows what the future brings.

if they've issued ccw permits in the past, how do they not know what will suffice for qualifications?

I just got off the phone with my firearms officer who has a package waiting for me down at the local PD station. It is said to include the qualification certificate as well as the course. I will post anything relevant online once I go down and get it.

Three is wrong. The 14th had nothing to do with life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. The due process clause says that a citizen shall not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process. The 14th amendment is the amendment via which any particular bill of rights item from the first eight amendments is incorporated to the states. It was applied to the 2nd in McDonald. It was reiterated by Thomas in Bruen. Additionaly, it may have been a shot across the bow of the judiciary regarding the privileges and immunities clause. That clause has been effectively mooted by the court for pretty racist reasons. The court has put out some pretty tortured logic to avoid changing that. The pretense was stare decisis but the reality was that it was a wrong ruling long enough ago that there would likely be some massive re-litigation that could potentially cripple the courts just due to case load. It is however the most direct path to the court insisting in reciprocity of ccws. So you have a black man who just redefined the strictest form of scrutiny. Who agreed with the majority on the leaked roe decision that is basically saying state decisis is not sacrosanct. Who may very well be threatening to burn down nearly 100 years of case history sitting on top of some incredibly racist case law if they fuck around and find out regarding his decision.

In a week, this may not even be the process anymore. Just sayin’ I was gonna ask the same thing. That’s not a requirement of any LEO Qual course I’ve seen. Sorry. I know this isn’t the right thread for this discussion, but I can’t let this go. This is nonsense. They stopped teaching this TTP years ago. If you are in such a dangerous situation that you are still scanning for threats, why are you even considering holstering you’re firearm in the first place. It should still be in your hand. When it is safe to put your gun away, take an instant and look your gun into the holster. Use both hands (being careful not to sweep your support hand) so you can clear any cover garments from your holster opening and make sure nothing is getting in your trigger guard as you secure the gun in the holster. Then use two hands to manage children, open doors, etc… Safe, efficient, and fast. Sorry to derail.

was gonna apply beginning of week. i think i'm gonna wait a little. gonna check the links in the other thread for the course of fire, and see if i can do that. take more defensive training, etc. then apply when they've had time to have their act together.

Thank you. I’m a week or so we will know clearer. I hope. For now if anyone says that know what you need or ask for money to start the process. It’s a scam. ant.

While the argument was with regard to the NY state law, Alito did us a huge favor and wrote that opinion to be FAR reaching. It's clear NJs law is in violation. I can be patient, which is why I wanted a thread that has advice like this and others on how to proceed. As always your Input is appreciated.

As Dan Schmutter said on your show. A superior court judge who gets one of these applications across his desk will be in a bind. I am perfectly happy to make them squirm after denying us our rights for decades. In my view they have to have been deliberately ignorant to fail to understand the plain language in the 2nd Amendment to keep denying people over and over again, no matter how many times it was explained in legal briefs. I'd be just fine if they were thrown in jail for breaking their oath to uphold the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment didn't change today. It was just made undeniably clear that JN has been illegal all along. Any further denying of our rights is inexcusable.

I betcha biden could get you as many as you want. Hes got connections.

"Because fuck you that's why"

translation = "As NJ's Chief law enforcement officer, I will not be following the law..." I am never amazing by the wealth of ignorance in todays society

Liberal Heads Exploding

This is the way.

I offer not only a well-deserved Thank You to Justice Thomas for penning this freedom-loving and long overdue opinion, but to the other justices who agreed with it, AND (though he certainly irks the hell out of me at times, lol) I think some due credit needs to go to former President Trump as well. His many conservative appointments to SCOTUS and other Federal courts, as it turns out, are really providing a bulwark against the encroaching attacks on Constitutional rights that we've been seeing as of late.

Filling them with hot glue works great too.

Municipal codes Good Luck!!

Even better, keep reading. Thomas flat out says 2a laws must be judged using the 2a text and history and cannot use any other criteria to determine if it is constitutional. So if 2a doesn’t say magazines can only be 10 rounds and there is no historical context for the limits, those laws are gone too… amazing ruling!

Most likely because most of the psychos capable of such atrocities are in Trenton.

Alito laying down the smaq on the dissenters: "Not Applicable"

On Thursday, Murphy called the Supreme Court decision tragic. “Based on a deeply flawed constitutional methodology, a right-wing majority on the United States Supreme Court has just said that states can no longer decide for ourselves how best to limit the proliferation of firearms in the public sphere,” he said. “Let there be no mistake – this dangerous decision will make America a less safe country.” And just like that, the Bill of Rights in no longer above his pay grade...

Happy Birthday Clarence Thomas! And thank you! It's today!

The statutes and Admin Code tell you what you need. I will be scrutinizing them and getting my app in ASAP. Making assumptions based on what other States require is folly.

Bye Bye Justifiable need.

If CR is not amenable to such a meet-up, we could fire up another clay day at one of the WMAs. There are lots of us that have hunting licenses.