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I will do whatever course I need for this but let's keep watching, the SCOTUS has a case that will kill abc agencies so let's go WVA!!!!!

Here is the link to the ranges. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/shooting-ranges.shtml

There is a new SP642 form issued today (6/28/2022). I have been advised by NJSP Washington Station that I should use the new form, even though that means collecting my references' signatures again. The trooper said there is a risk of eventual denial for the wrong form so it would be better to get it right now, rather than have to start again in a month or two. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml

I'm not an attorney, but I do play one on TV. (Actually in contracts for the past 20+ years.) You are correct and that's why I questioned it earlier in this thread. @KurtC is probably the subject expert here, but again, I refer to @gunforhire's last episode because he and his guest have been at the front of the fight and know the details and the realistic path forward. Yes, I did get excited and filled out the form and started to assemble the backup materials, but as I was doing that, I was listening to the podcast and realized that the path forward was unclear and would change before my application would be submitted. Yes, I do want to legally carry, as I grew up in PA and was allowed to carry there before I moved here to the PRNJ, but realistically, we all know that the government will throw roadblocks in front of us in some way, shape or form, including holding applications until the administrative code is changed, FARS gets modified, etc. Patience, gents. We've gotten this far and can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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Furthermore, retired law enforcement officers usually “qualify” as a condition of their retirement if they want to continue carrying a firearm. So they always elect option b2. It has been that way for many years. Most of the existing “nj carry permits” are retired LEO. So we have a long standing tradition that most, if not all, have always chosen b2. It then becomes the norm per say. I read the statue as it is written. We can elect 1,2,3 or 4. One of them.

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https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/stephen-hunter-the-assault-weapon-massacres-of-1964/?goal=0_0d355b7f6d-e01f6f802c-428940628&mc_cid=e01f6f802c&mc_eid=ec44ae8018 Good read, and the comments also. IMHO

They're not wrong, IMO. The qualifications are for accuracy and safety, not firearm handling proficiency. It's bad enough NJ is setting the bar so high, we don't need to proliferate that. Unless the law differentiates you carry how ever you want.

I did state that, and that was my thoughts exactly as I was thinking about this after speaking to them. It's a shame we have to somewhat tip toe through this, but we're not sure who's the ones who are going to be approving our stuff...

Good tell them you know and do it.....DONT rush...see what happens...we ALL WAITED THIS LONG....a few more weeks or so is not the end of the world.... It's your RIGHT, eff them.....they should be helping you NOT discouraging you.

It won’t disband them, but it WILL put a kibosh on their power to make shit up as they go along. This will probably be THE most impactful decision of our lifetimes.

He has 0 chance. Mainstream America doesn't vote for Anti-American Progressive Shitbags from NJ/NY/CA, etc. You can bank on that.

This would be a wonderful thing - Basically - disband the ATF and all the other alphabet boys!

Nothing is certain right now other than "they" revised the form. There's debate taking place as to whether or not "we" rush the stage now, or wait to see what comes of all of this in the coming weeks. Personally, I've got my up-to-date application filled out, references lined up and documentation printed. I don't feel comfortable submitting yet as I fear this:

Perhaps I missed it among the several threads. Does a current (pre-ruling) NJ carry permit have a particular firearm's make/model/serial number printed on it? A. If not, then the license is not married to a particular gun, and I'm not obligated to carry anything in particular. B. If yes, then I'd be limited to one and only one gun. Unless the license has provision for several. If I got a license as in A, I would probably qualify with any handgun I carried in NJ, regardless of what I qualified with for the license. Just to cover myself.

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The requirement is that you submit qualification certs for the gun you INTEND to carry when you submit the application. Intention and the eventual act are not necessarily the same thing. If you want to switch guns, you should qualify with it before carry it, but there is no way you can do that before you know that you're switching guns.

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Nothing happens.

I saw this earlier, and I wondered if the ATF has been holding off on the new rules specifically because of this case.

thanks man! i'm gonna fill those instead. nother question. i asked her about the pictures. i thought it'd be profile face other profile. she told me that they're all just face....head on. yes? no? that's why it was a struggle. cause i wanted to ask her how she felt about her co-workers all carrying every day around her.........

What ANYONE THINKS doesn't matter! What the RULES ARE matters. Nothing has substantially changed in the qualification process except now you need to score 80% in order to qualify (200 x 250). And you need to do it WITH THE GUN YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY! So, since there isn't a "Change Form", you'll have to qualify with your new, unpurchased & unregistered (and UNPRACTICED WITH) handgun. ~R

Oh Joy. The NJSP added digital fingerprint requirement today! My page has been updated yet again! I’m sure there will be many, many more! https://gunforhire.com/nj-ccw-permit/

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My weight fluctuates a good 5-10 lbs throughout the year, depending on whether or not I hit the gym regularly. I've had bad luck with belt holes. These are surprisingly stiff vertically. I've paid a helluva a lot more belts that weren't as good.

How stiff are those belts? I haven't had an issue with my Hank's Gunner belt with lining up.

NJ has always allowed non residents to get an FID and Permit to Carry. They just need to follow the same procedures as residents. Obviously, they will need to get the FID before they can apply for a Permit to Carry, just like us.

https://gunforhire.com/nj-ccw-permit/ Required step 1

Since MOST incidents where carrying has stopped a crime don't involve a single shot being fired, carrying is more important than what you carry.

Well, I pulled the trigger, ordered an IWB Holster, OWB Paddle holster, and a IWB mag holder from legacy firearms. They are expensive but they have good reviews on youtube and they were the only company that I have been able to find to have exactly what I needed, with a 30 business day turnaround. They also started their July 4th sale, 17.76% off all orders.

I predict that a lot of people will be boating this summer.

I use gmail - the comma list works just fine. IDK about Bluemail - I use NINE on android. I blame your mail client - the good majority of email clients use either semicolon or comma as the delimiter between emails.

It all depends on how much you want to shoot. RTSP for me as I shoot once every 2 weeks sometimes more. If your a once a mounth person it might not be worth it. My co-worker is a memeber at cherry ridge and invited me. I can't wait to give it a go.

While a 22 pistol is not ideal for self defense, if it's the only cartridge one can put all 10 in the x-ring, it's the best choice for that individual. No point in flailing around with a 357 magnum if the shooter can't hit the broad side of a barn from inside the barn. Biggest drawback is winter and meth addicts. Some people I know from another forum carry 22lr and 22mag, and they are okay with their choice. They know it wont "blow the lungs out of the body" but are confident it will stop most carjackings or assaults. After all, stopping the threat is the objective. One uses a Ruger revolver (I forget which) with a bobbed hammer, the other two carry Ruger's SR22 because it feels full size. Ammo choice makes a big difference. Paul Harrell did a few videos on the topic.

I heard NJSP is changing the app, they're no longer accepting the old one, and the new one will be out un two weeks...not sure how accurate that report was... As for municipal codes you can Google and get a list of all the codes for NJ.

In the legal document world, commas, colons, semicolons the word “and” and the word “or” have great meaning. Note the word “or” at the end of paragraph b3. If we have an English major, or attorney on the forums maybe they can confirm my interpretation. The word “or” implies that you can submit 1, 2, 3, or 4 as evidence of familiarity. The semi colons after 1 and 2 merely state that there is more to follow. The “or” appears only after 3 because it is second to last. 13:54-2.4 Application for a permit to carry a handgun (a) Every person applying for a permit to carry a handgun shall furnish such information and particulars as set forth in the application form designated SP 642. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath and shall be endorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall also certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior. Applications can be obtained at police departments and State Police stations. (b) Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefor on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns may be evidenced by: 1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; 3. Completion of a course or test in the safe handling of a handgun administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or 4. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor. (c) Where available, the information in (b) above shall be accompanied and validated by certifications of the appropriate instructor(s). In the absence of, or in addition to (b)1 through 4 above, the applicant shall provide any other available and accurate information which may evidence his or her proficiency in the safe handling and use of firearms, including most recent handgun qualification scores and whether he or she utilized the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry, courses attended in the safe handling and use of firearms, and extent of knowledge, however gained, of this State's laws pertaining to the use of force in the defense of person and property. (d) Each application form shall also be accompanied by a written certification of need which shall be under oath and which:

https://www.federalpremium.com/rimfire/personal-defense-punch-rimfire/11-PD22L1.html This is probably the best 22lr defensive round I have seen so far. Not sure of the guns, I've never looked for a conceal carry 22lr so not entirely sure what is out there. As with most 22s though, reliability is heavily tied to the ammo used... -Jim

I second East Bangor. It's not fancy but the price can't be beat.

I wouldn't go with a .22LR for CCW unless it's absolutely last ditch effort... but still better than nothing. That being said - there is a Walther PPK .22LR - small and concealable.

The NJ CCW code has been broken! New page with directions, information, instructions, questions & answers, with class registration is now being built. Stay tuned and pre-register here for alerts. No questions now please it will delay the page! https://gunforhire.com/nj-ccw-permit/

well when i walk in there tomorrow, i'll have my cell phone recording. no video, just audio. just in case. 'cept for slow-walking a couple of my p2p's(and i'm not totally sure that was a deliberate thing as i know they were shorthanded at the time) they've generally been pretty straightforward with me concerning my firearms.....

Because the issue today is only the price. In the 70's we intermittently couldn't get ANY gas at all, at any price. That's when things got really ugly. Pulling into your friend's gas station under cover of darkness, etc.

They’ll do what they do now. Avoid doing it at all.

I'm a member at both GFH and CR, and I love them both. (Unlike with women, you don't have to pick only one.) The latter only costs $130 a year for my senior membership. There are no daily charges, so you can shoot there as long as you want, until you run out of time or ammo. My gold level membership at GFH is four times that, but it's a great range, the people are terrific, and it's comfortable when it's really cold outside. If you don't want to plunk down that kind of dough, you could just go and pay the daily fee, which I believe is $25 an hour for the 25 yard range, and a bit more for the 50.

I've been to Gun For Hire a few times. Gun For Hire is great: knowledgeable, courteous staff, comfortable lanes, and many interesting classes if you're into that. I don't have a membership because it's just too expensive especially to STILL pay range fees afterwards, so I just pay for the rental if I go. I'm considering a membership at Reloaderz because you can get as many 2 hour blocks as you want for a $50/month membership. It's very comparable to Gun for Hire. Indoor ranges work well for me since I can just duck in for an hour during the week. I heard many good things about Cherry Ridge. I've thought about it but it's twice as far from me so I haven't tried it yet. It has a lot to offer.

All above good choices, there's one actually an indoor that's closer that I've gone you many times, and never had an issue eith, Try Reloadez on route 23.

RTSP does not have additional cost when you attend the range once you are a member. The limit your times to blocks of one hour but if it isn’t crowded you can ask for another. The do charge you for guest, with the membership they give you five free passes for guests after that they pay as a walk in

Sooner or later I think we're going to face the fact that it's not just mass shooters, drug addicts, homeless people etc. that are the carriers of mental illness. There's a lot of disturbed or full blown mental cases walking around surrounded by seemingly normal circumstances. But they are off. And some of them are in government trying to rule the rest of us.